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06/10/2015 10:42:03 AM · #1 |
Posting this as much as an FYI/Warning as anything else. Be careful and think about the dangers when you're shooting in novel locations.
Photographer and model burned during shoot in junkyard.
Having watched one of my best friends barely survive a 90% burn, trust me when I tell you this is something you never want to experience. |
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06/10/2015 10:50:04 AM · #2 |
| Horrible. I hate when I hear about things like this. Can't say how many stories I've heard about photographers being severely injured or killed in their quest for the ultimate shot in an abandoned building. The shot is never worth it. |
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06/10/2015 11:04:06 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by backdoorhippie:
Horrible. I hate when I hear about things like this. Can't say how many stories I've heard about photographers being severely injured or killed in their quest for the ultimate shot in an abandoned building. The shot is never worth it. |
no, but its not like i can fault them. it was most likely an accident, its not like they set the clothes on fire purposely likes other shots I've seen. this could have happened anyone. |
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06/10/2015 11:31:28 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by backdoorhippie:
Horrible. I hate when I hear about things like this. Can't say how many stories I've heard about photographers being severely injured or killed in their quest for the ultimate shot in an abandoned building. The shot is never worth it. |
no, but its not like i can fault them. it was most likely an accident, its not like they set the clothes on fire purposely likes other shots I've seen. this could have happened anyone. |
Just to be clear I'm not blaming anyone here. I'm simply stating that it's important to understand the risks of every environment you shoot in, particularly when you're bringing in others as models/assistants. Having worked on cars all my life I know that gas fumes can be forever, particularly in yards where tanks haven't (yet) been removed. Not everyone is going to know that and that's how accidents happen. |
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06/10/2015 12:04:25 PM · #5 |
Oh, that is tragic. I personally can't imagine using an open flame in an area where there could be gasoline fumes. Couldn't they smell anything? The lower explosive limit for gasoline is about 1.2%, the upper limit is about 7.1%. Anywhere between those limits, the smell should be something you can't ignore.
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06/10/2015 12:57:51 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Oh, that is tragic. I personally can't imagine using an open flame in an area where there could be gasoline fumes. Couldn't they smell anything? The lower explosive limit for gasoline is about 1.2%, the upper limit is about 7.1%. Anywhere between those limits, the smell should be something you can't ignore. |
true but just because you can smell it doesn't mean that you think it would be explosive. i'll bet they thought it was just an old car smell. I've been in older muscles cars where the smell of gas is present and people have lit up cigarettes without thinking twice. its easy to see how this would be over looked. |
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06/10/2015 01:27:06 PM · #7 |
| Most people do not take gas as a serious threat because we fill our tanks with it all the time and never give it a second thought. My wife's Grand Father had a pan of gas in his garage that he had drained while repairing a car, it had been sitting there in the pan for a day or two when he started a nearby car and it blew the roof off the garage and burned the garage down to the ground, thankfully and miracously they got out with only minor burns. When I saw the remains of the garage it changed how I work and store gas and other flammable liquids. |
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06/10/2015 01:40:07 PM · #8 |
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06/10/2015 01:42:10 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by PapaBob:
Most people do not take gas as a serious threat because we fill our tanks with it all the time and never give it a second thought. My wife's Grand Father had a pan of gas in his garage that he had drained while repairing a car, it had been sitting there in the pan for a day or two when he started a nearby car and it blew the roof off the garage and burned the garage down to the ground, thankfully and miracously they got out with only minor burns. When I saw the remains of the garage it changed how I work and store gas and other flammable liquids. |
hmmm, i guess there was quite a bit of vapor in the garage. when i was younger, in my pyro days, I burned a "big gulp" cup of gasoline, we though it would explode, but it just boiled as the top layer of vapor burned as it evaporated..
i'm actually pretty lucky, i respect fire now much more than i used to. i used to be in charge of burning old trees and shrubs at the garden center i worked at in high school, i lost that job duty after i made (purposely) the biggest mushroom cloud gasoline explosion I've ever seen in real life. I decide to light the entire burn pit at once with about 10 gallons of gasoline, i emptied two 5 gallon containers over an area about 400 square ft. thankfully i had the piece of mind to light it from a distance by lighting a gasoline trail.
the owners heard it about half a mile away inside their home, they said it sounded like someone drove a truck into their house. |
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06/10/2015 02:12:52 PM · #10 |
| A lot of times garage smells are a concoction of gas, oil, lube, rubber and who knows what, and the gas can be lost in and among everything else. It's also possible to walking into a junkyard and smell more of what the guard dog left over than other things. It's also possible they could have picked any other spot in the place and walked out never knowing the danger they could have been in. |
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06/11/2015 08:06:42 AM · #11 |
| What a sad, horrible outcome. Anyone planning a similar shoot, use LED 'candles'...they were invented for a reason. |
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06/11/2015 08:40:26 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by Mike:
hmmm, i guess there was quite a bit of vapor in the garage. when i was younger, in my pyro days, I burned a "big gulp" cup of gasoline, we though it would explode, but it just boiled as the top layer of vapor burned as it evaporated..
i'm actually pretty lucky, i respect fire now much more than i used to. i used to be in charge of burning old trees and shrubs at the garden center i worked at in high school, i lost that job duty after i made (purposely) the biggest mushroom cloud gasoline explosion I've ever seen in real life. I decide to light the entire burn pit at once with about 10 gallons of gasoline, i emptied two 5 gallon containers over an area about 400 square ft. thankfully i had the piece of mind to light it from a distance by lighting a gasoline trail.
the owners heard it about half a mile away inside their home, they said it sounded like someone drove a truck into their house. |
LMFAO, would have loved to see that in real life too. |
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06/11/2015 09:25:08 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
Originally posted by Mike:
hmmm, i guess there was quite a bit of vapor in the garage. when i was younger, in my pyro days, I burned a "big gulp" cup of gasoline, we though it would explode, but it just boiled as the top layer of vapor burned as it evaporated..
i'm actually pretty lucky, i respect fire now much more than i used to. i used to be in charge of burning old trees and shrubs at the garden center i worked at in high school, i lost that job duty after i made (purposely) the biggest mushroom cloud gasoline explosion I've ever seen in real life. I decide to light the entire burn pit at once with about 10 gallons of gasoline, i emptied two 5 gallon containers over an area about 400 square ft. thankfully i had the piece of mind to light it from a distance by lighting a gasoline trail.
the owners heard it about half a mile away inside their home, they said it sounded like someone drove a truck into their house. |
LMFAO, would have loved to see that in real life too. |
it was petty cool, at the time i didn't think anything of it, it was just a massive fireball it wasn't even that loud in close proximity. a few minutes later the owners son came flying back to the pit on his quad, panicked that i did something really bad, i told him i just lit the fire (i underestimated how much fuel i used though :P).
gasoline tended to be more flash and would quickly burn out and that day the pile was a bit damp still from rain a few days prior so i made sure it would catch fire and stay lit. |
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06/11/2015 12:38:26 PM · #14 |
It's rained a lot in S Florida this week, and that's when gasoline vapor is the most dangerous, because it tends to hover near the ground.
The current gasoline / alky mix is not at all similar in it's explosive properties. In the 60's to light a fire with gas, you put it on the pile, and stood about 20 ft away and flipped matches at it. Today you almost have to put a flame on the liquid to get it to light off. Aviation gas still has the explosive characteristic.
Conditions would have had to be exactly right for the accident to happen like it did. I suspect that the humid weather had something to do with it.
One of my friends owned a bulk oil company that was burned to the ground about 25 years ago. It was one of the biggest if not the biggest fire ever in the town. It was a foggy night and a truck was there filling the big gasoline tanks. No one was injured in the event. They suspect that an air compressor outside the building started up and touched off the fire from the gasoline vapor.
That's terrible that the two got burned at the junkyard. I expect that there will be a lot of litigation over the event before it's all said and done. I hope the two live through the burns and recover. |
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