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02/05/2015 04:15:34 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by Mike:
because its old, underfunded and failing and we are neglecting it, anything that would pump more money into it would be beneficial.
unfortunately its going to take a catastrophic event to get the lawmakers to open their eyes. |
A bridge on an Interstate Highway falling into the river isn't enough of a catastrophic event? |
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02/05/2015 04:20:48 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by Mike:
because its old, underfunded and failing and we are neglecting it, anything that would pump more money into it would be beneficial.
unfortunately its going to take a catastrophic event to get the lawmakers to open their eyes. |
I disagree, and strongly. As we've seen with lawmakers, they rarely are able to address actual root causes, and just slap on band aids.
I think it to be FAR more likely they wouldn't FIX a damned thing - they'd just set up an agency to install fences and concrete barriers around 'critical infrastructure'.
So, no. You're wrong, demonstrably wrong. |
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02/05/2015 04:29:20 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by Cory:
I think it to be FAR more likely they wouldn't FIX a damned thing - they'd just set up an agency to install fences and concrete barriers around 'critical infrastructure'. |
This is happening out here after a power substation just south of San Jose (i.e. "Silicon Valley") was put out of commission for months (and costing millions) by some unknowns with high-powered rifles. |
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02/05/2015 05:13:32 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Mike:
because its old, underfunded and failing and we are neglecting it, anything that would pump more money into it would be beneficial.
unfortunately its going to take a catastrophic event to get the lawmakers to open their eyes. |
I disagree, and strongly. As we've seen with lawmakers, they rarely are able to address actual root causes, and just slap on band aids.
I think it to be FAR more likely they wouldn't FIX a damned thing - they'd just set up an agency to install fences and concrete barriers around 'critical infrastructure'.
So, no. You're wrong, demonstrably wrong. |
Lol. They already did that. Go for a walk on a suspension bridge. if you can without clearance. |
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02/05/2015 06:56:23 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Mike:
because its old, underfunded and failing and we are neglecting it, anything that would pump more money into it would be beneficial.
unfortunately its going to take a catastrophic event to get the lawmakers to open their eyes. |
I disagree, and strongly. As we've seen with lawmakers, they rarely are able to address actual root causes, and just slap on band aids.
I think it to be FAR more likely they wouldn't FIX a damned thing - they'd just set up an agency to install fences and concrete barriers around 'critical infrastructure'.
So, no. You're wrong, demonstrably wrong. |
Lol. They already did that. Go for a walk on a suspension bridge. if you can without clearance. |
Ask Yo_Spiff about that... I'll do you one better, how about going for a walk INSIDE a suspension bridge without clearance?
Honestly, I have yet to see ANY security measures that I can't defeat with enough effort, and SO often it requires almost NO effort at all.
Let's add into this the fact that Jihadis are willing to DIE to accomplish their goals, that just makes everything much more difficult to secure, because frankly, just catching them doesn't STOP them.
Message edited by author 2015-02-05 19:11:57. |
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02/06/2015 06:52:02 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Mike:
because its old, underfunded and failing and we are neglecting it, anything that would pump more money into it would be beneficial.
unfortunately its going to take a catastrophic event to get the lawmakers to open their eyes. |
A bridge on an Interstate Highway falling into the river isn't enough of a catastrophic event? |
decades ago, the silver bridge collapse started the whole bridge inspection movement and the recent I-35 made the industry aware that gusset plates needed to be scrutinized more heavily than they were. the problem with I-35 bridge as that it wasn't in visibly poor condition, it was under designed and the bridge got overloaded with time, so while it showed engineers that they need to be mindful of new stuff, it did nothing to warn the public of the current state of our nations infrastructure.
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02/06/2015 11:40:48 PM · #32 |
Interestingly enough, the day after this thread popped up, the local bomb squad came to do a presentation at my work. I work for the city's park department now, and apparently some dummy had brought something back to the lot that they found in a park somewhere, so they figured they should come lecture us. They brought a bunch of common IEDs like pipe bombs, CO2 bombs, THC extraction tubes (neat!), etc. One of the things they specifically said was that if you see something that has tape (Like duct tape) and wires, back away and call them immediately. They basically said that no good comes from random objects found in public that are wrapped in duct tape.
They have to take this kind of stuff seriously, because even if it looks like "just a Coke can camera", it could very well just be a clever disguise. Inside could be a small explosive device that detonates when someone carelessly says, "Oh, it's just a camera" and rips it from whatever it's stuck to. One thing our bomb squad told us was that they try to get in there and out as fast as possible without drawing attention to themselves. From the way they described it, I wouldn't expect the results described about this incident being discussed in this thread. It sounds like much attention was drawn to the situation.
Oh, and we blew up a watermelon! |
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02/06/2015 11:55:22 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by aliqui:
Interestingly enough, the day after this thread popped up, the local bomb squad came to do a presentation at my work. I work for the city's park department now, and apparently some dummy had brought something back to the lot that they found in a park somewhere, so they figured they should come lecture us. They brought a bunch of common IEDs like pipe bombs, CO2 bombs, THC extraction tubes (neat!), etc. One of the things they specifically said was that if you see something that has tape (Like duct tape) and wires, back away and call them immediately. They basically said that no good comes from random objects found in public that are wrapped in duct tape.
They have to take this kind of stuff seriously, because even if it looks like "just a Coke can camera", it could very well just be a clever disguise. Inside could be a small explosive device that detonates when someone carelessly says, "Oh, it's just a camera" and rips it from whatever it's stuck to. One thing our bomb squad told us was that they try to get in there and out as fast as possible without drawing attention to themselves. From the way they described it, I wouldn't expect the results described about this incident being discussed in this thread. It sounds like much attention was drawn to the situation.
Oh, and we blew up a watermelon! |
They claimed wax extraction tubes were being used for IEDs?!? Citation please... (they would work fine, I'm just really suspicious of that claim, pretty darn expensive for that purpose, not likely someone is going to drop $50 on a tube instead of $0.50 on a pipe.
And I agree about the duct tape and wires part - thing is, pinhole cameras DO NOT have wires of any kind. I agree with their assessment 100%.
Sound like a good group of EOD guys.. Fun fact: My university was NM Tech - home of EMRTC - Energetic Materials Research and Testing Center - one of the favorite places of the Mythbusters to blow stuff up. I've gotten to watch everything from letter bombs to car bombs, to DIAMOND SHOTS! (10,000lbs of ANFO detonated over a cobalt/carbon/??? mix, they would literally rock the whole city).
Do you know what they used to kill the fruit? I'm guessing a low-order explosive, but it'd be great if they laid a thin-sheet explosive on it.
Message edited by author 2015-02-06 23:56:12. |
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02/07/2015 12:08:57 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by aliqui:
Interestingly enough, the day after this thread popped up, the local bomb squad came to do a presentation at my work. I work for the city's park department now, and apparently some dummy had brought something back to the lot that they found in a park somewhere, so they figured they should come lecture us. They brought a bunch of common IEDs like pipe bombs, CO2 bombs, THC extraction tubes (neat!), etc. One of the things they specifically said was that if you see something that has tape (Like duct tape) and wires, back away and call them immediately. They basically said that no good comes from random objects found in public that are wrapped in duct tape.
They have to take this kind of stuff seriously, because even if it looks like "just a Coke can camera", it could very well just be a clever disguise. Inside could be a small explosive device that detonates when someone carelessly says, "Oh, it's just a camera" and rips it from whatever it's stuck to. One thing our bomb squad told us was that they try to get in there and out as fast as possible without drawing attention to themselves. From the way they described it, I wouldn't expect the results described about this incident being discussed in this thread. It sounds like much attention was drawn to the situation.
Oh, and we blew up a watermelon! |
They claimed wax extraction tubes were being used for IEDs?!? Citation please... (they would work fine, I'm just really suspicious of that claim, pretty darn expensive for that purpose, not likely someone is going to drop $50 on a tube instead of $0.50 on a pipe.
And I agree about the duct tape and wires part - thing is, pinhole cameras DO NOT have wires of any kind. I agree with their assessment 100%.
Sound like a good group of EOD guys.. Fun fact: My university was NM Tech - home of EMRTC - Energetic Materials Research and Testing Center - one of the favorite places of the Mythbusters to blow stuff up. I've gotten to watch everything from letter bombs to car bombs, to DIAMOND SHOTS! (10,000lbs of ANFO detonated over a cobalt/carbon/??? mix, they would literally rock the whole city).
Do you know what they used to kill the fruit? I'm guessing a low-order explosive, but it'd be great if they laid a thin-sheet explosive on it. |
The THC resin extractors were used as an example of stuff someone might find laying around that could blow up under the right conditions. They had one blow up a couple months ago in a house, and it blew the font door off. Pot becomes legal here in Oregon in July, so I think they were just trying to raise general awareness about morons and Butane. As for the melon, definitely not the sheet explosive, probably more along the lines of your first guess. Another cool thing they did for us was unwind a room's length of detonation cord and had us all hold onto it in the dark... ZAP! I also got to hold the pipe bombs and a grenade. Who ever would have thought that a desk job in the Parks Department would ever be so exciting. |
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02/07/2015 01:02:27 AM · #35 |
photo of a diamond shot.
Mythbusters at Tech, making diamonds... (you might be able to find this elsewhere, title is Banana slip, double dip
Message edited by author 2015-02-07 01:34:24. |
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