In the style of Peter Lik - DPChallenge Forums

12/16/2014 12:14:41 PM · #101

Originally posted by LanndonKane:

mark adamus is a baller, i really like him.

meh, glorified computer wallpaper, his work is regressive and unintellectual.

Message edited by author 2014-12-16 12:15:11.

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12/16/2014 01:51:08 PM · #102

What does "regressive" even mean?

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

12/16/2014 01:58:27 PM · #103

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

What does "regressive" even mean?

"Becoming less advanced; returning to a former or less developed state."

i.e. "Looks like an Eliot Porter, get with the times dude!"

12/16/2014 01:59:40 PM · #104

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:
What does "regressive" even mean?

"Becoming less advanced; returning to a former or less developed state."

i.e. "Looks like an Eliot Porter, get with the times dude!"

Which, I think, is a non sequitur. "Art" does not "develop". It changes. Otherwise it would be clear that art from 500 years ago would be inferior to art of today.

12/16/2014 02:00:17 PM · #105

I was being sarcastic.

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12/16/2014 02:04:11 PM · #106

Originally posted by Mike:

I was being sarcastic.

Awesome. The gain on my sarcasm meter must be off a jigger. ;) You did pick a sweet "art snob critic" term though...

Message edited by author 2014-12-16 14:04:53.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

12/16/2014 02:18:06 PM · #107

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by Mike:
I was being sarcastic.

Awesome. The gain on my sarcasm meter must be off a jigger. ;)

Actually, I can't figure out why Langdon hasn't programmed the site so that all of Mike's posts are automatically enclosed within sarcasm tags ...

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12/16/2014 02:23:36 PM · #108

good idea.

LanndonKane

Nikon D800

12/16/2014 03:08:01 PM · #109

Just found the Lik thing that catalyzed my distaste for him.

He took a picture called Bella Luna, can be seen here.

It's obviously a hacky composite picture. The dark part of the moon would never be darker than the surrounding sky in real life...you would not be able to see any stars or sky details at all and have the moon not be completely overexposed to a white ball of nothing...the moon is inexplicably in front of the clouds in the sky...etc.

but here's what he has to say about it:

"This shot has eluded me my entire photographic career. I have spent years trying to perfect this image, there are so many variables you don't even think about. It's a really touchy image, but when it all lines up, the result is out of this worldâ�¦ literally. I have drawers full of transparencies that I have shot over decades that just didn't cut it. I tried all the variables--different lenses, exposures, compositions, times, then much to my frustration the results back from the lab were always disappointing.

The remoteness of Kodachrome Basin in Utah was an obvious choice to finally nail this elusive image; remote, clean air, and a selection of cliff tops to shoot from. I had been watching the phase of the moon and tonight the moon was close to full. I had a specific composition in my mind and I searched for days to line up this classic tree with the moon. Tonight I hope it all comes together. It was a long night but I knew at some point my perseverance would be rewarded.

I was white-knuckled as I set up the mammoth lens, filling the viewfinder with this balanced scene, the tree framed amongst the rocks and the low lying clouds added to the tensionâ�¦ this had to work. The desert silence was stunning, my pulse raced, I could hear the blood running through my veins. Then, I saw the horizon starting to glow. The golden sphere slowly rose in front of me. I was totally stunned. I couldn't believe it. So connected to this lunar giant that I was trembling. Such an impact on my life. I pressed the shutter, a feeling I'll never forget. The moon, tree, and earth.

I hope to share with you this amazing connection I had on this special evening with the moon, that affects our lives. It certainly affected mine."

Come on. You mean it took you so many decades to composite this? More like you were trying to fool people into thinking this was a single capture phenomenon. What a jerk.

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MadMan2k

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12/16/2014 03:38:58 PM · #110

I guess it's possible it could be a simple exposure bracketed HDR.

I don't have enough personal experience shooting with super telephoto lenses to say, but at first glance it does look like a composite.

nam

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12/16/2014 04:00:57 PM · #111

Well, I haven't been out shooting much lately and eastern Nebraska in winter is NOT the sort of place you would go to recreate Lik, but all this has piqued my interest and I may just figure something out . . . I just hope the voters are a little broader in their interpretation of DMC's than they were in the Ansel Adams competition (which I did not enter and in which I heartily applaud the winners, but still . . . there were some oh-so-under-rated entries :( )

vawendy

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12/16/2014 04:01:58 PM · #112

I have an idea, but I need to travel a bit for it. It's just if I get the time to do it.

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12/16/2014 06:45:49 PM · #113

Ah, yes, that moon picture. I remember seeing that in Vegas (or Honolulu) and thinking there was no way on God's green earth that was NOT composited. No way. It's not HDR either.

I've said I like some of Lik's stuff, but I'd welcome the term "hack job" on that shot, especially with his glorious recounting.

bohemka

Nikon D700

12/16/2014 07:29:14 PM · #114

The "glorious recounting" is incredible, and incredibly annoying. I propose a side challenge for the entrants to write up something of similar tone to describe their challenge entries. Dr. Confuser to judge the notes.

Bear_Music

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12/16/2014 07:33:24 PM · #115

Yah, it's just ridiculous. I might buy the stalking-the-shot bit, the finding-the-location bit, the "how awesome it was to see it rising" bit, but he blew it when he mentioned the clouds, 'cuz the only clouds in this shot are BEHIND the freakin' moon!

aliqui

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12/16/2014 07:48:00 PM · #116

So, based on this moon discussion, shouldn't this challenge be run under the Expert Editing rule set? :P

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

12/16/2014 08:21:21 PM · #117

Or maybe we should have bundled it with the proposed "Break Exactly ONE Advanced Editing Rule" challenge :-)

insteps

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12/16/2014 08:36:37 PM · #118

I think he has the same writer as J. Peterman.

example

ShutterRev

12/16/2014 09:14:26 PM · #119

Originally posted by LanndonKane:

Message edited by author 2014-12-16 21:16:32.

LanndonKane

Nikon D800

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 16-35 f/4 ED VR

12/16/2014 09:55:05 PM · #120

Nowhere in my post did I say anything about the relative size of the moon (but the relative size of the moon to the clouds is a good piece of evidence supporting my "it's fake" argument). No, there are a plethora of pieces of evidence suggesting its fake. It is DEFINITELY a composite, that much is certain. Nothing wrong with composites at all, but the context of it, with that explanatory artists statement, it's all just so infuriating.

Originally posted by ShutterRev:

800mm or longer lens + moon + tree that is much closer.

This isn't rocket science. And doesn't have to be a "hack job". He does edit his photos afterward, as we all do but I don't think this has to be a crop.

People that understand focal lengths, and have access to super lenses *attempt* to do this regularly.

Perhaps this is why some sell photos for many thousands (or millions) of dollars, and some critique them on photography forums.

Just my .02

Originally posted by LanndonKane:
Just found the Lik thing that catalyzed my distaste for him.

He took a picture called Bella Luna, can be seen here.

It's obviously a hacky composite picture. The dark part of the moon would never be darker than the surrounding sky in real life...you would not be able to see any stars or sky details at all and have the moon not be completely overexposed to a white ball of nothing...the moon is inexplicably in front of the clouds in the sky...etc.

but here's what he has to say about it:

"This shot has eluded me my entire photographic career. I have spent years trying to perfect this image, there are so many variables you don't even think about. It's a really touchy image, but when it all lines up, the result is out of this worldâ�¦ literally. I have drawers full of transparencies that I have shot over decades that just didn't cut it. I tried all the variables--different lenses, exposures, compositions, times, then much to my frustration the results back from the lab were always disappointing.

The remoteness of Kodachrome Basin in Utah was an obvious choice to finally nail this elusive image; remote, clean air, and a selection of cliff tops to shoot from. I had been watching the phase of the moon and tonight the moon was close to full. I had a specific composition in my mind and I searched for days to line up this classic tree with the moon. Tonight I hope it all comes together. It was a long night but I knew at some point my perseverance would be rewarded.

I was white-knuckled as I set up the mammoth lens, filling the viewfinder with this balanced scene, the tree framed amongst the rocks and the low lying clouds added to the tensionâ�¦ this had to work. The desert silence was stunning, my pulse raced, I could hear the blood running through my veins. Then, I saw the horizon starting to glow. The golden sphere slowly rose in front of me. I was totally stunned. I couldn't believe it. So connected to this lunar giant that I was trembling. Such an impact on my life. I pressed the shutter, a feeling I'll never forget. The moon, tree, and earth.

I hope to share with you this amazing connection I had on this special evening with the moon, that affects our lives. It certainly affected mine."

Come on. You mean it took you so many decades to composite this? More like you were trying to fool people into thinking this was a single capture phenomenon. What a jerk.

mpeters

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12/16/2014 10:44:03 PM · #121

That's got to be a single frame. Maybe a touch of dodge and burn though.

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12/17/2014 09:57:34 AM · #122

i must say i am unimpressed by his work online, its good but not as awe inspiring as it appears in his galleries. i wonder how much the paper sells his work. i should try to print some of my images on that sort of paper.

LanndonKane

Nikon D800

12/17/2014 10:57:09 AM · #123

How many times have you seen the full moon on the same side of the sky as the sun?