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12/02/2014 08:31:56 PM · #26 |
| or does that make too much sense :) |
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12/02/2014 08:36:40 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by Damon:
or does that make too much sense :) |
Challenge entry numbers are currently in the 50's ... split it out and you end up with ???
Plus, it would really make the front page extremely cluttered with basically double what's there now.
Nah ... skip the Expert Challenges. More Minimal!!! :-D |
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12/02/2014 08:42:09 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by Neat:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Neat:
I know for one, if there were no rules and you got the majority entering images using expert editing it would drive little people like me away. That's not why I joined DPC, I joined to help me become a better photographer than what I was, not to become a better editor, although I did learn that and I'm grateful for it, it was not the driving force.
I actually think there should be more minimal editing challenges, hey when's the next one??? |
A rarity. Neat and I are in perfect agreement.
More minimal!!! |
Actually there was another time you agreed with me as well :)
+1
Shock horror lol! |
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12/02/2014 08:44:15 PM · #29 |
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12/02/2014 08:47:25 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Damon:
or does that make too much sense :) |
Challenge entry numbers are currently in the 50's ... split it out and you end up with ???
Plus, it would really make the front page extremely cluttered with basically double what's there now.
Nah ... skip the Expert Challenges. More Minimal!!! :-D |
zackly. for me, photography is a matter of using the camera, not the computer. while there is still a distinction. |
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12/02/2014 08:50:22 PM · #31 |
| i love minimal. i love expert. i love advanced when the dq's aren't arbitrary, unparalleled and unfathomable. |
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12/02/2014 09:10:31 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by rcollier:
The width/height restriction at least has some merit for viewability, but the file size limit has none other than to save disk space. Surely this is not something that we should worried about. |
Not everyone has fast internet connections. File size is a valid concern. |
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12/02/2014 09:21:27 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by LN13:
The sub-head on the site says "a digital photography contest". Not "a digital manipulation contest" or "an illustration contest". There are other sites that cater to those things. |
I both agree and disagree with this statement.
I wouldn't want to see every challenge be some sort of work of fantasy art (an illustration contest), but I would love to see more challenges that allow the use of expert, or no rules to produce an image. By this, I mean the ability to add or remove things (especially things like people, buildings and backgrounds) to produce things like this Snow White image for instance.
Lets face it, the vast majority of images on this site are already part of a "digital manipulation contest", they just look a lot more realistic or "photo like".
How to determine what is real enough vs. fantasy though, that might be difficult as everyone will draw the line in a different spot. |
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12/02/2014 09:29:06 PM · #34 |
I think the Snow White image looks like a composite. I love composites, but do not make them.
Maybe we need a definition of photography. Pretty sure we would never get a consensus on that!
I believe photography is an art. Would we tell a painter he can only use one brush to make a painting? Would a contest be more fair if everyone used the exact same type and style of brush? |
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12/02/2014 09:32:47 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by tnun:
zackly. for me, photography is a matter of using the camera, not the computer. while there is still a distinction. |
Let's read this again, shall we. |
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12/02/2014 09:33:22 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by rcollier:
The width/height restriction at least has some merit for viewability, but the file size limit has none other than to save disk space. Surely this is not something that we should worried about. |
Not everyone has fast internet connections. File size is a valid concern. |
OK, I feel like a fool for not thinking of that. I would be curious as to how many people don't have high speed connections though, that would definitely be in the minority these days and not something you would cater to on a visual media based site. This basically sounds to me like the same type of argument as was raised against the 1200 pixels, not everyone had monitors that could display that either. I mean, it's a photography site, shouldn't one of the main goals be to display photos at the best quality possible?
Message edited by author 2014-12-02 21:36:23. |
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12/02/2014 09:40:57 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by pixelpig:
+1
If you ask me the challenges now are about the rules. Photographs are second. Photography is third. |
If you throw out the rules it will become all about Photoshop and post-processing, not about photography and making an attempt to get it at least close to right in camera. |
you will no doubt be glad to know I'm not entering challenges much anymore & not voting much. Still doing what I consider to be photography but since I enjoy editing I'm sure you will pass judgement on me as a cheater & a fraud & will be delighted by my absence. So be it. |
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12/02/2014 09:41:50 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by Damon:
why not just include a second category for every challenge that would include Expert along side the current choice of editing rules. That way we dont have to recreate the ruleset for the umptenth time and make everyone happy. Maybe have special ribbon sets for the expert side if a minimum amount of images are entered into that category. At least give it a trial run to see how it would take off. |
I think this is a pretty creative idea, but I have to agree with  glad2badad, it would be hard to fathom that it would work with the number of submissions that are currently seen. It would be interesting to try though, perhaps in a monthly free study where there is generally more participation and the timelines are longer. |
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12/02/2014 09:48:41 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by tnun:
zackly. for me, photography is a matter of using the camera, not the computer. while there is still a distinction. |
Would that be the camera with built in HDR or multiple capture profiles to boost color saturation in camera, etc... That distinction doesn't really exist, it's pretty much a big grey area already.
Message edited by author 2014-12-02 21:54:16. |
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12/02/2014 09:59:02 PM · #40 |
i understand the entries are limited and maybe this is part of the problem. Not much has really been done to recruit more participation over the years up till late. I agree the changes have been positive but maybe a little too late and also possible the veterans havent heard about the changes. I think Langdon can think of some ingenious way to make it possible to show the images either through a separate link or page to display those images. All Im trying to suggest is way to compromise and bring more activity back.
Another suggestion is we should look at the archive and see where we have had the majority of participation over the years and do more of those challenges versus some of the mediocre ones that have been run lately. Langdon's lack of participation and the minimal control allowed of the SC has hurt this site dramatically over the years to a point that its becoming self destructive. |
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12/02/2014 10:16:25 PM · #41 |
| Let's have all challenges be "mystery ruleset challenges" , where the rule set is announced when voting begins. Now that would be interesting and a lot of fun. |
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12/02/2014 10:19:04 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by rcollier:
Originally posted by tnun:
zackly. for me, photography is a matter of using the camera, not the computer. while there is still a distinction. |
Would that be the camera with built in HDR or multiple capture profiles to boost color saturation in camera, etc... That distinction doesn't really exist, it's pretty much a big grey area already. |
not really. incamera processes are still primarily global. |
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12/02/2014 10:21:31 PM · #43 |
I just love the way a major change is instituted, and the bitching just shiftsb direction. No editing rules? Where's the challenge in that? Not to mention that you'd drive a fair amount of people off once nobody could touch the PS wizards.
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12/02/2014 10:25:53 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by MelonMusketeer:
Let's have all challenges be "mystery ruleset challenges" , where the rule set is announced when voting begins. Now that would be interesting and a lot of fun. |
best comment of the thread ! LOL |
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12/03/2014 01:52:43 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by Damon:
...its becoming self destructive. |
"It" is just fine. It is us who are destructive. ?. |
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12/03/2014 03:53:13 AM · #46 |
Originally posted by Elaine:
Originally posted by sfalice:
Without rules, there is no challenge. |
The rules are the theme and the dates. That is enough to make it a "challenge" in my opinion.
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12/03/2014 04:03:04 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by LN13:
Originally posted by Neat:
I know for one, if there were no rules and you got the majority entering images using expert editing it would drive little people like me away. That's not why I joined DPC, I joined to help me become a better photographer than what I was, not to become a better editor, although I did learn that and I'm grateful for it, it was not the driving force.
I actually think there should be more minimal editing challenges, hey when's the next one???
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12/03/2014 07:43:07 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by Tiny:
Originally posted by Elaine:
Originally posted by sfalice:
Without rules, there is no challenge. |
The rules are the theme and the dates. That is enough to make it a "challenge" in my opinion.
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Keep to the subject, it's difficult enough as it is:
"Can we please get rid of all the editing rules?" - my emphasis.
Otherwise we may end up discussing: more than one entry per challenge; the voting rules; number of allowed profiles etc.
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12/03/2014 08:10:44 AM · #49 |
(Disclaimer: I haven't read all entries in the thread, so others might or might not have said exactly the same.)
Originally posted by Mike:
pretty please? |
Please don't
Originally posted by Mike:
think about it, what purpose to they really serve? |
Same as why you have Soccer, Hokey, Judo rules
If you want to hit people, don't play soccer, go for kick boxing.
But then there are those who want to play plain Soccer.
Originally posted by Mike:
besides arent you guys tired of me bitching about this? that should be reason enough to want to change. |
If I have to choose between no rules and you not bitching, I choose the rules and you bitching :-)
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12/03/2014 08:22:00 AM · #50 |
A good number of my images are nature images.
For those kind of images, worldwide, one is not really allowed to do more than what is available with Basic Editing, and very often there are added restrictions.
It does seem that there are not too many nature photographers at DPC, but I learned most of the post-processing I do to Nature images here because of the rules on editing.
The other main reason why I am here is for the creativity and knowledge displayed, and so much better if it is "arty" to boot. Running through a set subject and seeing the difference in ideas and approaches and processing is such a good learning experience.
For that reason it is much easier for my brain to compare images handled within a narrower band of rules, because comparisons will not be so muddled by Photoshop expertize.
I also like a challenge. Hey, each submission idea is even called a "challenge". I do not have Photoshop, and I am not going to buy it, as that is not what attracts me to photography. I am happy with a very old basic processing program. A photographer without Photoshop [and the newer the better] will have so much less chance of ribboning should there be no editing rules.
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