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10/31/2013 02:06:29 PM · #601 |
So true...Obama has ben caught in so many lies it's pitiful.
The obamacare is a total fiasco.....Repeal obamacare (he un-affordable healthcare act) and impeach Obama
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10/31/2013 02:41:42 PM · #602 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
So true...Obama has ben caught in so many lies it's pitiful.
The obamacare is a total fiasco.....Repeal obamacare (he un-affordable healthcare act) and impeach Obama |
The only health plans lost were those that didn't meet minimum coverage standards in the first place, and what exactly would you impeach Obama for... signing a healthcare bill that Congress passed? |
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10/31/2013 03:05:55 PM · #603 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
So true...Obama has ben caught in so many lies it's pitiful.
The obamacare is a total fiasco.....Repeal obamacare (he un-affordable healthcare act) and impeach Obama |
The only health plans lost were those that didn't meet minimum coverage standards in the first place, and what exactly would you impeach Obama for... signing a healthcare bill that Congress passed? |
That line always cracks me up. Not one person on the impeach wagon has a clue what they're trying to impeach him for, but hey, let's do it because it feels good! |
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10/31/2013 03:42:45 PM · #604 |
He doesn't need to be impeached over obamacare...Its all of the other things he has done....All the things that he didn't know anything about...Here is a small list.
IRS scandal, How about authorizing the wiretapping of allies (nsa),Fast and furious, Benghazi, hell misleading the American public. Take your pick there are more
during all of this he claims to have known nothing. This means one of a couple of things. Either he is lying through his teeth, or or he is unfit to do his job, or he is such a weak leader that he can't control the people under him. Any of the above reasons is reason enough for him to be removed from office. I am for him either resigning (which won't happen) or impeaching.
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10/31/2013 03:45:00 PM · #605 |
Oh I left off....spying on the pope
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10/31/2013 03:58:03 PM · #606 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
He doesn't need to be impeached over obamacare...Its all of the other things he has done....All the things that he didn't know anything about...Here is a small list.
IRS scandal, How about authorizing the wiretapping of allies (nsa),Fast and furious, Benghazi, hell misleading the American public. Take your pick there are more
during all of this he claims to have known nothing. This means one of a couple of things. Either he is lying through his teeth, or or he is unfit to do his job, or he is such a weak leader that he can't control the people under him. Any of the above reasons is reason enough for him to be removed from office. I am for him either resigning (which won't happen) or impeaching. |
Turn off Fox already. |
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10/31/2013 04:21:57 PM · #607 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
He doesn't need to be impeached over obamacare...Its all of the other things he has done....All the things that he didn't know anything about...Here is a small list.
IRS scandal, How about authorizing the wiretapping of allies (nsa),Fast and furious, Benghazi, hell misleading the American public. Take your pick there are more |
Um, yeah... IRS scandal, NSA wiretapping, Fast and furious, Benghazi, misleading the American public
Poor, clueless Cowboy: WAY too much Fox and way too little news. |
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10/31/2013 04:22:57 PM · #608 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Oh I left off....spying on the pope |
So we finally have confirmation as to whether he does or does not smoke dope? |
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10/31/2013 04:23:01 PM · #609 |
its all over every news station....even Jay Lno talks about it...pay attention
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10/31/2013 04:31:07 PM · #610 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
its all over every news station....even Jay Lno talks about it...pay attention |
No, it isn't. |
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10/31/2013 06:11:55 PM · #611 |
I would hate to be the bearer of bad news, but countries spying on each other is most definitely not something that only recently occurred.
To Cowboy who is seemingly a big fan of Fox News, you might want to read the following eye opening article:See Here
Interesting eh?
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10/31/2013 09:37:52 PM · #612 |
Originally posted by Paul Krugman:
John Kasich, the Republican governor of Ohio, has done some surprising things lately. First, he did an end run around his stateâs Legislature â controlled by his own party â to proceed with the federally funded expansion of Medicaid that is an important piece of Obamacare. Then, defending his action, he let loose on his political allies, declaring, âIâm concerned about the fact there seems to be a war on the poor. That, if youâre poor, somehow youâre shiftless and lazy.â |
Read the entire column here; it's very thought-provoking.
The conclusion:
Originally posted by Paul Krugman:
In a much-cited recent memo, Democracy Corps, a Democratic-leaning public opinion research organization, reported on the results of focus groups held with members of various Republican factions. They found the Republican base âvery conscious of being white in a country that is increasingly minorityâ â and seeing the social safety net both as something that helps Those People, not people like themselves, and binds the rising nonwhite population to the Democratic Party. And, yes, the Medicaid expansion many states are rejecting would disproportionately have helped poor blacks.
So there is indeed a war on the poor, coinciding with and deepening the pain from a troubled economy. And that war is now the central, defining issue of American politics. |
I know Krugman's a liberal, that he's writing for a liberal newspaper, that he's quoting liberal findings, and that therefore our resident hard-core conservatives will damn the message because of the container it's delivered in, but...
Even so, isn't it appalling?
Message edited by author 2013-10-31 21:38:39. |
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10/31/2013 09:58:10 PM · #613 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I know Krugman's a liberal, that he's writing for a liberal newspaper, that he's quoting liberal findings, and that therefore our resident hard-core conservatives will damn the message because of the container it's delivered in, but... |
You forgot to mention he's a Nobel Laureate, so if those derned furriners like what he says ... |
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11/01/2013 12:44:33 AM · #614 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
He doesn't need to be impeached over obamacare...Its all of the other things he has done....All the things that he didn't know anything about...Here is a small list.
IRS scandal, How about authorizing the wiretapping of allies (nsa),Fast and furious, Benghazi, hell misleading the American public. Take your pick there are more |
Um, yeah... IRS scandal, NSA wiretapping, Fast and furious, Benghazi, misleading the American public
Poor, clueless Cowboy: WAY too much Fox and way too little news. |
It's hilarious how you counter a right-wing source with left-wing sources and act as if those opinions are the final word on those subjects.
How about this recent piece from CNN: Did the Obama administration pressure insurance companies?
Or this from CBS: Obamacare: More than 2 million people getting booted from existing health insurance plans
Anyone remember this: "If you like your doctor or healthcare plan, you can keep it"
Come on - I'm fine with bashing the GOP for their antics, but have some intellectual honesty and stop defending anything and everything your savior/hero/idol/god does. How many of you will at least admit that Obama flat out lied about people keeping their health insurance? Not "was wrong". Not "was misinformed". Lied.
Message edited by author 2013-11-01 00:45:10. |
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11/01/2013 12:45:32 AM · #615 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I know Krugman's a liberal, that he's writing for a liberal newspaper, that he's quoting liberal findings, and that therefore our resident hard-core conservatives will damn the message because of the container it's delivered in, but... |
You forgot to mention he's a Nobel Laureate, so if those derned furriners like what he says ... |
Would that be the same Nobel Committee that gave Obama a "Peace" prize?
eta: I'm not arguing that Krugman doesn't have a point - I assume he does, since Bear thinks so. Just scoffing at the credentials ascribed by our dear General. :)
Message edited by author 2013-11-01 00:47:17. |
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11/01/2013 12:50:52 AM · #616 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
It's the closest thing we currently have to a big community meeting where we vote multiple ballots until someone emerges with a clear majority. It saves tons of money running special, low-turnout run-off elections.
It's certainly a better option than the Electoral College ... |
I don't think it would solve ALL the problems, but it would certainly help and it seems like it would have the mst dramatic impact on our f****d up election system. I'm gonna do what I can to push for it. Does anyone see a downside? |
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11/01/2013 01:22:03 AM · #617 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
It's hilarious how you counter a right-wing source with left-wing sources and act as if those opinions are the final word on those subjects. |
I didn't counter any right wing sources as no citations were offered, however... Time and Bloomberg are left-wing? The others refer to either direct quotes or the original sources (as opposed to something like an unsubstantiated Italian newspaper claim of spying on the Pope), not opinions.
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
How many of you will at least admit that Obama flat out lied about people keeping their health insurance? Not "was wrong". Not "was misinformed". Lied. |
Originally posted by scalvert:
The only health plans lost were those that didn't meet minimum coverage standards in the first place |
"One type of policy being discontinued by Florida Blue, for example, didn't cover hospitalizations or emergency room visits and paid a maximum of $50 toward doctor visits." If there's any scandal here, it's calling a policy like that "health insurance." |
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11/01/2013 01:54:35 AM · #618 |
I have no sympathy for those people who lost their $50 a month policies like this woman who CBS did a story on. Like the folks who buy $10 a month car insurance, or magic beans, they ought to know that if it is too good a deal, it is a lousy deal.How these people manage to get out of bed in the morning amazes me. Those policies were always scams run on people who are too dumb to know they were being ripped off. They never payed off when the "insured" got hurt and they ended up having their costs absorbed by those who carry real insurance, or the tax payers.
We took lead out of the paint.
We require houses to be built with permits and inspections.
We forced every car made to be equipped with seat belts.
Now you have to buy insurance that will actually pay for some level of care.
And people cry that their choice is being taken away.
When your choices are so poor that it costs the rest of us when those poor choices come home to roost, we don't allow you to make them any more. |
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11/01/2013 02:07:04 AM · #619 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
I have no sympathy for those people who lost their $50 a month policies like this woman who CBS did a story on. Like the folks who buy $10 a month car insurance, or magic beans, they ought to know that if it is too good a deal, it is a lousy deal.How these people manage to get out of bed in the morning amazes me. Those policies were always scams run on people who are too dumb to know they were being ripped off. They never payed off when the "insured" got hurt and they ended up having their costs absorbed by those who carry real insurance, or the tax payers.
We took lead out of the paint.
We require houses to be built with permits and inspections.
We forced every car made to be equipped with seat belts.
Now you have to buy insurance that will actually pay for some level of care.
And people cry that their choice is being taken away.
When your choices are so poor that it costs the rest of us when those poor choices come home to roost, we don't allow you to make them any more. |
Read my story I posted a few days back.
I certainly was not paying $50 a month, and my coverage was fucking awesome. So sad to have to go find another plan now. Oh, and since I make just a bit more than 40K a year, it looks like I fall into the worst category for costs. |
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11/01/2013 02:59:42 AM · #620 |
| Regardless of your opinions about their policies, Obama KNEW that MANY would be canceled - way back in 2010. Can't even bring yourselves to admit that he lied. There goes any shred of credibility or objectivity you might have had. You guys work overtime to defend the indefensible. Are you related to the guy or what?? |
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11/01/2013 03:00:52 AM · #621 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Read my story I posted a few days back. |
Look on the bright side, Cory - if you get pregnant, you're covered by the maternity requirement. |
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11/01/2013 07:33:41 AM · #622 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by Cory:
Read my story I posted a few days back. |
Look on the bright side, Cory - if you get pregnant, you're covered by the maternity requirement. |
And if his girlfriend gets prostate cancer, she'll be covered too.
Message edited by author 2013-11-01 07:38:39. |
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11/01/2013 09:22:19 AM · #623 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Regardless of your opinions about their policies, Obama KNEW that MANY would be canceled - way back in 2010. Can't even bring yourselves to admit that he lied. There goes any shred of credibility or objectivity you might have had. You guys work overtime to defend the indefensible. Are you related to the guy or what?? |
I'm in agreement that he probably knew and lied. All politicians lie. Most find a way to justify doing so to themselves. I don't really like Obama, though I voted for him twice. I just considered him the lesser of two evils. I found out last month I lost my medicare advantage effective the end of the year. To get a lesser plan than I had will cost me $40 more a month. Higher copays, less coverage, etc. But it's a trade off I'm willing to make to know that my son will be insured after he turns 18.
Did anyone hear that the state of Vermont is moving towards a yniversal health care system? This is what I'd like to see and it will be interesting to see how this plays out. //www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/26/vermont-health-care_n_4166221.html |
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11/01/2013 02:13:14 PM · #624 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Regardless of your opinions about their policies, Obama KNEW that MANY would be canceled - way back in 2010. Can't even bring yourselves to admit that he lied. There goes any shred of credibility or objectivity you might have had. You guys work overtime to defend the indefensible. Are you related to the guy or what?? |
I'm in agreement that he probably knew and lied. All politicians lie. Most find a way to justify doing so to themselves. I don't really like Obama, though I voted for him twice. I just considered him the lesser of two evils. I found out last month I lost my medicare advantage effective the end of the year. To get a lesser plan than I had will cost me $40 more a month. Higher copays, less coverage, etc. But it's a trade off I'm willing to make to know that my son will be insured after he turns 18.
Did anyone hear that the state of Vermont is moving towards a yniversal health care system? This is what I'd like to see and it will be interesting to see how this plays out. //www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/26/vermont-health-care_n_4166221.html |
Thanks for your honesty, Kelli. Sorry to hear about your medicare benefits. I have mixed opinions about universal healthcare - there are significant trade-offs. It is fairly well known that Obama and progressives have been pushing for that, but believe the only way to get there is to create this interim nightmare of a system, lie to us about it incessantly and then ultimately convince people that we will HAVE TO go to a universal system.
I'm not wrapped up so much in the healthcare issue as I am concerned about the political polarization that blinds people and prevents them from seeing that the "other side" may have legitimate complaints and concerns. |
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11/01/2013 02:30:39 PM · #625 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
I'm not wrapped up so much in the healthcare issue as I am concerned about the political polarization that blinds people and prevents them from seeing that the "other side" may have legitimate complaints and concerns. |
Can we remember that we've HAD health care under the for-profit "free enterprise" system for the past half-century, and during the ACA debate the one thing both sides seemed to agree on was that it was atrocious. |
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