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10/11/2013 03:05:58 PM · #576 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Then take into account that we arguably NEED less "defense" than most of the world, given our geographical situation: we've never been seriously invaded since the War of 1812, and with good reason: who could afford the necessary supply chain?
It certainly seems like something is out of balance somewhere :-) |
Dunno, those sneaky Canadians are probably just waiting for their chance. ;) |
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10/11/2013 03:10:57 PM · #577 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I'm firmly in the camp of "we need to spend less on defense". There is no way to fiscal responsibility without this as part of the plan. |
Perhaps if you'd prefaced your statement with this one your point of emphasis would have been clearer to me. |
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10/11/2013 04:06:40 PM · #578 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I'm firmly in the camp of "we need to spend less on defense". There is no way to fiscal responsibility without this as part of the plan. |
Perhaps if you'd prefaced your statement with this one your point of emphasis would have been clearer to me. |
I DID say this back on the 8th...
"There is no math where you can only tax the wealthy, not cut SS, and medicare, or defense, and not raise taxes on the rest of us and balance the budget.
It is an impossibility." |
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10/11/2013 04:07:10 PM · #579 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
We outspend the rest of the world combined. By about twice over.
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You aren't usually prone to wild exaggerations, but I gotta say this is a crazily distorted fact. Spell out exactly what you mean to make this statement true. |
In my funk over the A's loss to the Tigers I misread a 2010 chart that compared US spending and the next nine biggest spenders and then put "the rest of the world" in one category. Those "not in the top ten" guys spend 25.3% compared to our 42.8% so I used that comparison without really thinking about it. I blame Justin Verlander. |
A reasonable defense. You are excused, sir! |
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10/11/2013 04:28:26 PM · #580 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
A reasonable defense. You are excused, sir! |
Hey, I can claim the same defense, plus I had to get up at 4am to go to work ... ;-) |
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10/11/2013 06:15:11 PM · #581 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
A reasonable defense. You are excused, sir! |
Hey, I can claim the same defense, plus I had to get up at 4am to go to work ... ;-) |
Cracky... that must be one long commute huh?
I have been told I can work from home on the "Unclassified" stuff and have to admit that I really like it.
Ray |
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10/11/2013 08:12:08 PM · #582 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
A reasonable defense. You are excused, sir! |
Hey, I can claim the same defense, plus I had to get up at 4am to go to work ... ;-) |
Cracky... that must be one long commute huh? |
No, my commute is less than ten minutes, but I have to be at work by 5:15 ... |
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10/13/2013 03:33:38 PM · #583 |
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10/13/2013 05:09:59 PM · #584 |
Considering that large professional companies can experience problems with the products they manufacture, I think I would cut them some slack.
I also seem to recall that people have almost a year to register so it's not like things will come to a standstill tomorrow.
Lastly, ever think that contrary to what some politicians would have you believe, there truly is interest in this program.
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10/13/2013 06:52:33 PM · #585 |
Not to mention these are the same government-contracted IT firms that would've done the same shoddy job working on any other government project.
It's not only a great example of blinding schadenfreude on display from conservatives, but it also showcases their entire current platform: Whatever goes wrong, regardless of any logic, blame Obamacare. |
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10/13/2013 07:33:13 PM · #586 |
Originally posted by bohemka:
It's not only a great example of blinding schadenfreude on display from conservatives, but it also showcases their entire current platform: Whatever goes wrong, regardless of any logic, blame Obamacare. |
Funny that the problems apparently stem from volume: millions of people rushing to join a program that Republicans insist Americans don't want. |
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10/13/2013 07:58:20 PM · #587 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by bohemka:
It's not only a great example of blinding schadenfreude on display from conservatives, but it also showcases their entire current platform: Whatever goes wrong, regardless of any logic, blame Obamacare. |
Funny that the problems apparently stem from volume: millions of people rushing to join a program that Republicans insist Americans don't want. |
+1 |
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10/13/2013 09:47:40 PM · #588 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by bohemka:
It's not only a great example of blinding schadenfreude on display from conservatives, but it also showcases their entire current platform: Whatever goes wrong, regardless of any logic, blame Obamacare. |
Funny that the problems apparently stem from volume: millions of people rushing to join a program that Republicans insist Americans don't want. |
Not to mention that Republicans have (made partially) successful efforts to sabotage the program at every turn.
Given that most of the problems have been from a response far greater than expected, unless the Republicans have been running a (illegal) denial-of-service campaign, their claim that the American people hate the program would seem underwhelming ...
Consider also that the STATE-run exchanges have been largely successful so far -- perhaps if Republican-controlled states hadn't foisted the responsiblity for setting up their exhanges off on the Federal government there would be fewer problems, especially given that the main Federally-run site must deal with multiple jurisdictions and many more options than the state exchanges.
It Was Quite A Week In Crisis Gulch
Originally posted by DaveRoss:
The most extraordinary development in the big federal budget showdown - was that the original reason for the whole thing evaporated. The fuss about Obamacare taking over the health care system ended up buried in a string of national embarrassments ...
But the ultimate reversal, was hearing Tea Party Senator Ted Cruz making passionate arguments IN FAVOR of Government-run health care!
Here's the boiled-down version of that little gunfight.
"I would happily work with the majority leader to fund every bit of the VA as it is right now," said Cruz.
"Would the senator yield for a question? I'm wondering if your motion includes the full funding of the VA medical system, which is a government run health care system?" asked a fellow senator.
Said Cruz, "It is a promise we have made and it is unrelated to Obamacare."
"I just wanted to be clear that the fully government run, with government doctors system, is something that you are advocating," she clarified.
Replied Cruz, "The answer is yes."
So what exactly are we fighting about? |
Message edited by author 2013-10-13 21:56:28. |
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10/13/2013 10:10:15 PM · #589 |
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10/13/2013 11:44:20 PM · #590 |
Can someone tell me what this is about? No text, and I can't hear it... |
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10/13/2013 11:58:11 PM · #591 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Can someone tell me what this is about? No text, and I can't hear it... |
Cliff Notes version: if the House and Senate are at an impasse, then by rule any member of the House can bring up the Senate bill for a full vote... until now. The House passed a resolution on October 1st (the day of the shutdown) restricting that authority to only Boehner or his designee. |
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10/13/2013 11:59:06 PM · #592 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
The House passed a resolution on October 1st (the day of the shutdown) restricting that authority to only Boehner or his designee. |
Oh, amazing BS... |
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10/14/2013 12:02:18 AM · #593 |
| Sorry, authority now lies with the House Majority Leader (Cantor, not Boehner). Text version here. |
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10/14/2013 12:15:47 AM · #594 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Sorry, authority now lies with the House Majority Leader (Cantor, not Boehner). Text version here. |
I've read the transcript. That is absolutely mind-boggling... |
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10/14/2013 01:49:26 AM · #595 |
Our democracy has been cracked asunder.
"How many goodly creatures are there here!
Hoq beateous mankind is! O brave new world,
That hath such people in 't!"
We are now living in a new form of governance unlike any mankind has seen before. No rule or past precedent has value but for that will gain the next advantage. "Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war" |
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10/14/2013 10:30:55 AM · #596 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Can someone tell me what this is about? No text, and I can't hear it... |
Cliff Notes version: if the House and Senate are at an impasse, then by rule any member of the House can bring up the Senate bill for a full vote... until now. The House passed a resolution on October 1st (the day of the shutdown) restricting that authority to only Boehner or his designee. |
...One would think that something of this significance would be at the forefront of the national news, but this is the first that I have heard of this... Unbelievable. |
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10/14/2013 03:13:39 PM · #597 |
Anybody still think the GOP didn't want the shutdown? They did this for one reason only, to be sure they could keep the shutdown going, even if there were enough votes to end it.
Edit to add: I wonder if this also dashes any hope for the discharge petition...
Message edited by author 2013-10-14 15:36:31. |
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10/14/2013 05:02:51 PM · #598 |
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:
I wonder if this also dashes any hope for the discharge petition... |
Yup. It's up to the Senate now. |
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10/30/2013 02:46:46 AM · #599 |
*thread recycling*
Any thoughts on Instant Runoff Voting? |
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10/31/2013 12:57:53 PM · #600 |
It's the closest thing we currently have to a big community meeting where we vote multiple ballots until someone emerges with a clear majority. It saves tons of money running special, low-turnout run-off elections.
It's certainly a better option than the Electoral College ...
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