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04/21/2013 08:28:47 PM · #376 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by Cory:
You haven't been reading. Not a loaded firearm in the house. I'll PM my address and you can attack at any time. I'm pretty confident about not needing a gun. :)
Now, I do expect that a 12 year old girl might need a gun if you came after her, that would make sense wouldn't it? Or is she a lower subset of human? |
I'm of the opinion that there is only one set of humans on this rock, so no. |
That would have been my first, unedited, unnecessarily inflammatory post. Do go back and have another read, just so you get the idea of what I really should have said. ;)
Oh, and good response to a clearly provoking response. Apologies for that, I just get frustrated when people say that I'm in support of something contrary to that which I've been repeatedly explicit about my views on. :)
Message edited by author 2013-04-21 20:31:43. |
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04/21/2013 08:31:49 PM · #377 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Where did I suggest that a firearm was the end-all-be all solution? |
I never said YOU specifically did I. Nope, I made specific reference to untrained individuals who lent too much credence to the belief that having a firearm would solve things.
Originally posted by Cory:
As for the CPR, I'm pretty sure about the states, but are you telling me that up north it's a requirement for regular patrolmen to be up to date on their CPR certification? |
Again, I can't speak on behalf of other officers, but I can assure you that I most certainly did, right up till I retired.
Originally posted by Cory:
My position is that you cannot rely upon the police for protection, and that it's up to you to take care of yourself. You seem to have initially desired to refute that assertion, but have now circled back to not advocating relying solely on the police for protection? |
I guess all of this is a question of perspective. I viewed yours as suggesting that one could not rely of the police for anything and that the citizens were left to fend for themselves. What I suggested was that the citizens are indeed responsible for their environment and need to target harden their environment thereby making it more difficult for perpetrators to complete the task at hand and allowing for response to the activity in progress.
Originally posted by Cory:
Tell me, what level of responsibility do the police have when it comes to protecting people from harm by those who would do them harm, for whatever reason? What is your position on this? |
I can assure you my friend that I would never attempt to answer an unbelievably open ended question like this one.
... and on that note I have to retire for the evening. Must make certain everything is locked up, and that my killer shih-tzu and tabby will be prowling the premises.
Evening all :O)
Ray |
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04/21/2013 08:36:46 PM · #378 |
Hmmm... Typical police response, it took several minutes to get an unsatisfying result. ;)
Seriously, have a great night Ray. For what it's worth, I can't imagine you have been anything but honorable and respectful in your duty, but I don't honestly perceive you as a typical LEO. |
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04/21/2013 08:38:16 PM · #379 |
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04/21/2013 08:45:20 PM · #380 |
Would this be in their job description?
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04/21/2013 08:54:48 PM · #381 |
Originally posted by bhuge:
Would this be in their job description?
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Good on him.
To be fair, I think everyone, and I do mean pretty much EVERYONE, thinks they are doing the right thing, all the time. I don't think it's pretty rare that anyone ever means to be a bad person, or to do bad things. And besides, almost all of these guys are just following orders, and they are good guys at heart. So this doesn't surprise me. With that being said, good deeds don't erase bad deeds, in fact, it seems to me that it works the other way around.
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04/21/2013 09:01:34 PM · #382 |
Cory under the same premise, we don't need a military either since we individuals should be able to, as you say, take care of ourselves and fend off a invading nation.
i get the point you are trying to make, but here on earth, not Coryland, people are unprepared, people are scared and they need/want the police to help. When you become supreme dictator and implement your "everyone will fend for themselves" laws, this wont be problem, but in the meantime you will need to accept these little cases where our freedom are suspended.
So long as they are given right back, i think its a fair trade to save a few lives.
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04/21/2013 09:47:04 PM · #383 |
Originally posted by Mike:
Cory under the same premise, we don't need a military either since we individuals should be able to, as you say, take care of ourselves and fend off a invading nation.
i get the point you are trying to make, but here on earth, not Coryland, people are unprepared, people are scared and they need/want the police to help. When you become supreme dictator and implement your "everyone will fend for themselves" laws, this wont be problem, but in the meantime you will need to accept these little cases where our freedom are suspended.
So long as they are given right back, i think its a fair trade to save a few lives. |
The military can respond quickly enough to an invading nation to protect the nation. The police cannot respond quickly enough to an armed intruder. No citizen can face an invading nation, but a citizen can face a citizen. You're mixing things up in an incompatible way, and getting non-sense as a result.
Even though the military can respond quickly enough to protect the nation, they still cannot protect the individual citizens during an initial attack. If that really were to happen, then it would be up to you to protect yourself and your family during the first few days of the assault if you are caught in the fighting.
So, really, this isn't some attempt at implementing "everyone will fend for themselves laws as preferred by the supreme dictator of Coryland", it's just a very plain statement of the nature of reality. You can depend on the police to protect you if you want, but I promise that they will almost always let you down if you really are so foolish.
Besides, everyone knows the only thing I'm dictator of is automation of the TPL, and even that's a shared dictatorship. ;-D
Message edited by author 2013-04-21 21:58:01. |
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04/21/2013 11:44:22 PM · #384 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
1. Get a crane.
2. Get a container vessel.
3. Load the boat into container vessel.
4. Fill container vessel with sleeping gas. |
Lets change #4
4. fill container with an aerosol version of the truth syrum |
...then fill container with sleeping gas. Or Halon. Isn't that pretty much the same thing? |
Halon sleep is much longer...... |
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04/22/2013 12:01:03 AM · #385 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by Cory:
You haven't been reading. Not a loaded firearm in the house. I'll PM my address and you can attack at any time. I'm pretty confident about not needing a gun. :)
Now, I do expect that a 12 year old girl might need a gun if you came after her, that would make sense wouldn't it? Or is she a lower subset of human? |
I'm of the opinion that there is only one set of humans on this rock, so no. |
That would have been my first, unedited, unnecessarily inflammatory post. Do go back and have another read, just so you get the idea of what I really should have said. ;)
Oh, and good response to a clearly provoking response. Apologies for that, I just get frustrated when people say that I'm in support of something contrary to that which I've been repeatedly explicit about my views on. :) |
Does that mean i can't come over and attack you now? The flight was already booked. :/
No need to apologize. My comment was a bit drive by anyway. |
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04/22/2013 12:07:24 AM · #386 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Does that mean i can't come over and attack you now? The flight was already booked. :/
No need to apologize. My comment was a bit drive by anyway. |
Sure you can, but I'd prefer we just burn some meat on the grill and have a beer. It's up to you though. ;) |
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04/22/2013 08:42:05 AM · #387 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by Cory:
As for the CPR, I'm pretty sure about the states, but are you telling me that up north it's a requirement for regular patrolmen to be up to date on their CPR certification? |
Again, I can't speak on behalf of other officers, but I can assure you that I most certainly did, right up till I retired.
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Here, we don't have a separate PD and FD, we have a Public Safety department. Officers are trained in and responsible for the duties of both law enforcement and fire fighting. None of that matters until they arrive on scene. Until then, you are on your own. |
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04/22/2013 11:37:22 AM · #388 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by Cory:
As for the CPR, I'm pretty sure about the states, but are you telling me that up north it's a requirement for regular patrolmen to be up to date on their CPR certification? |
Again, I can't speak on behalf of other officers, but I can assure you that I most certainly did, right up till I retired.
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Here, we don't have a separate PD and FD, we have a Public Safety department. Officers are trained in and responsible for the duties of both law enforcement and fire fighting. None of that matters until they arrive on scene. Until then, you are on your own. |
Fascinating!
What sort of one-horse town do you live in? :D
Message edited by author 2013-04-22 11:37:40. |
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04/22/2013 11:52:17 AM · #389 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by spork99:
Here, we don't have a separate PD and FD, we have a Public Safety department. Officers are trained in and responsible for the duties of both law enforcement and fire fighting. None of that matters until they arrive on scene. Until then, you are on your own. |
Fascinating!
What sort of one-horse town do you live in? :D |
Possibly Bloomfield Hills, MI:
Originally posted by Town of Bloomfield Hills:
Overview
The Public Safety Department is a combined police and fire department serving the residents of Bloomfield Hills, Michigan. We have one station which is located at City Hall. The Department boasts 26 state certified sworn police officers who are also state certified firefighters and state certified medical first responders along with four civilian personnel assigned to the Communications/Records section. Coverage for the City of Bloomfield Hills is accomplished 24 hours a day seven days a week 365 days a year through a mix of 24 hour and eight hour shift scheduling. When the officers are assigned police duties they respond to emergency calls, accidents, and all other police-related matters. When the same officers are assigned fire duties they participate in community services such as public education in fire safety and hazard recognition. The officers also perform the functions of fire suppression, emergency medical treatment, planning and emergency management, and hazardous materials control and mitigation. |
And that was just the first one on the hit list...
Message edited by author 2013-04-22 11:53:57. |
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04/22/2013 11:58:33 AM · #390 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by spork99:
Here, we don't have a separate PD and FD, we have a Public Safety department. Officers are trained in and responsible for the duties of both law enforcement and fire fighting. None of that matters until they arrive on scene. Until then, you are on your own. |
Fascinating!
What sort of one-horse town do you live in? :D |
Possibly Bloomfield Hills, MI:
Originally posted by Town of Bloomfield Hills:
Overview
The Public Safety Department is a combined police and fire department serving the residents of Bloomfield Hills, Michigan. We have one station which is located at City Hall. The Department boasts 26 state certified sworn police officers who are also state certified firefighters and state certified medical first responders along with four civilian personnel assigned to the Communications/Records section. Coverage for the City of Bloomfield Hills is accomplished 24 hours a day seven days a week 365 days a year through a mix of 24 hour and eight hour shift scheduling. When the officers are assigned police duties they respond to emergency calls, accidents, and all other police-related matters. When the same officers are assigned fire duties they participate in community services such as public education in fire safety and hazard recognition. The officers also perform the functions of fire suppression, emergency medical treatment, planning and emergency management, and hazardous materials control and mitigation. |
And that was just the first one on the hit list... |
Now THOSE guys are proper first responders! |
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04/22/2013 12:04:46 PM · #391 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by spork99:
Here, we don't have a separate PD and FD, we have a Public Safety department. Officers are trained in and responsible for the duties of both law enforcement and fire fighting. None of that matters until they arrive on scene. Until then, you are on your own. |
Fascinating!
What sort of one-horse town do you live in? :D |
Possibly Bloomfield Hills, MI:
Originally posted by Town of Bloomfield Hills:
Overview
The Public Safety Department is a combined police and fire department serving the residents of Bloomfield Hills, Michigan. We have one station which is located at City Hall. The Department boasts 26 state certified sworn police officers who are also state certified firefighters and state certified medical first responders along with four civilian personnel assigned to the Communications/Records section. Coverage for the City of Bloomfield Hills is accomplished 24 hours a day seven days a week 365 days a year through a mix of 24 hour and eight hour shift scheduling. When the officers are assigned police duties they respond to emergency calls, accidents, and all other police-related matters. When the same officers are assigned fire duties they participate in community services such as public education in fire safety and hazard recognition. The officers also perform the functions of fire suppression, emergency medical treatment, planning and emergency management, and hazardous materials control and mitigation. |
And that was just the first one on the hit list... |
Now THOSE guys are proper first responders! |
In the event of something requiring a larger fire, it's not unusual to see police cars arrive on scene and the officers putting on their turnout gear to fight the fire. |
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04/22/2013 12:09:27 PM · #392 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Now THOSE guys are proper first responders! |
Agreed. It seems very rational to me, for smaller towns at least. To some extent, some of our local towns on Cape are starting to operate this way, although there is resistance from some quarters. |
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04/22/2013 12:21:26 PM · #393 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Cory:
Now THOSE guys are proper first responders! |
Agreed. It seems very rational to me, for smaller towns at least. To some extent, some of our local towns on Cape are starting to operate this way, although there is resistance from some quarters. |
That would save these small towns alot of money..I bet the unions hate it |
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04/22/2013 12:25:42 PM · #394 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Cory:
Now THOSE guys are proper first responders! |
Agreed. It seems very rational to me, for smaller towns at least. To some extent, some of our local towns on Cape are starting to operate this way, although there is resistance from some quarters. |
That would save these small towns alot of money..I bet the unions hate it |
of course the unions hate it. |
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04/22/2013 01:20:47 PM · #395 |
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Cory:
Now THOSE guys are proper first responders! |
Agreed. It seems very rational to me, for smaller towns at least. To some extent, some of our local towns on Cape are starting to operate this way, although there is resistance from some quarters. |
That would save these small towns alot of money..I bet the unions hate it |
of course the unions hate it. |
They have their own union. |
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04/22/2013 01:43:59 PM · #396 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Cory:
Now THOSE guys are proper first responders! |
Agreed. It seems very rational to me, for smaller towns at least. To some extent, some of our local towns on Cape are starting to operate this way, although there is resistance from some quarters. |
That would save these small towns alot of money..I bet the unions hate it |
of course the unions hate it. |
They have their own union. |
of course they do, how else would they expect to rape the public of funds that would otherwise be saved. |
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04/22/2013 01:46:20 PM · #397 |
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Cory:
Now THOSE guys are proper first responders! |
Agreed. It seems very rational to me, for smaller towns at least. To some extent, some of our local towns on Cape are starting to operate this way, although there is resistance from some quarters. |
That would save these small towns alot of money..I bet the unions hate it |
of course the unions hate it. |
They have their own union. |
of course they do, how else would they expect to rape the public of funds that would otherwise be saved. |
Overall, having one Public Safety organization is far less expensive to the city than having independent Fire and Police departments, unions or not. |
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04/22/2013 01:46:35 PM · #398 |
Originally posted by Mike:
of course they do, how else would they expect to rape the public of funds that would otherwise be saved. |
And all of a sudden, now he's the cynical one! :) lol. |
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04/22/2013 01:48:58 PM · #399 |
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Cory:
Now THOSE guys are proper first responders! |
Agreed. It seems very rational to me, for smaller towns at least. To some extent, some of our local towns on Cape are starting to operate this way, although there is resistance from some quarters. |
That would save these small towns alot of money..I bet the unions hate it |
of course the unions hate it. |
They have their own union. |
of course they do, how else would they expect to rape the public of funds that would otherwise be saved. |
You think it better that employees get screwed?
It may be that not every union contract is fiscally responsible, but without unions we'd be lacking certain things we're used to, like weekends, 8-hour workday, workplace safety, sick leave, vacation, holidays ... besides, why not blame those who agreed to the terms and pay out the money? Don't you ask for for the highest pay you can get?
"Oh, no sir -- you better pay me less and make sure the shareholders get their dividends ..." Riigghhttt ...
Message edited by author 2013-04-22 13:51:19. |
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04/22/2013 02:09:39 PM · #400 |
| Due to the turn of the conversation, this thread is now in Rant. |
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