Yet another religious rant... - DPChallenge Forums

02/12/2013 06:41:56 PM · #301

Originally posted by Cory:

Originally posted by David Ey:
? father ?
I'm not arguing either way, just saying.
These guys do seem to make their own rules.

More significantly, they also seem to ignore their own rules as it suits them.

That's not what Jesus ment when he said call no man father. Jesus was using hyperbole (exaggeration to make a point) to show the scribes and Pharisees how sinful and proud they were.

The term Father is used all the time in the bible. How could you honor your father and mother if Jesus really commanded to call no man father. Also, his disciples were acting against him when in Acts 7:2, Stephen refers to "...our father Abraham..." Or in Romans 9:10, where Paul speaks of "our father Isaac."

It's okay to use the term father, God won't mind.

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02/12/2013 07:00:51 PM · #302

Originally posted by JH:

Even god is angry; //www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21421810

And then DPC goes down. Your virtual gods are likewise displeased. Maybe we should all play nice for a while...

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02/12/2013 08:01:29 PM · #303

Originally posted by Nullix:

Originally posted by Cory:

Originally posted by David Ey:
? father ?
I'm not arguing either way, just saying.
These guys do seem to make their own rules.

More significantly, they also seem to ignore their own rules as it suits them.

That's not what Jesus ment when he said call no man father. Jesus was using hyperbole (exaggeration to make a point) to show the scribes and Pharisees how sinful and proud they were.

The term Father is used all the time in the bible. How could you honor your father and mother if Jesus really commanded to call no man father. Also, his disciples were acting against him when in Acts 7:2, Stephen refers to "...our father Abraham..." Or in Romans 9:10, where Paul speaks of "our father Isaac."

It's okay to use the term father, God won't mind.

I believe what you said is true, however, the pope is treated and worshiped as if he is God. Called holy father, bowed down in front of, kissing his ring etc. This just don't seem proper to me. You didn't read the url did you?

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02/12/2013 09:40:08 PM · #304

Originally posted by David Ey:

I believe what you said is true, however, the pope is treated and worshiped as if he is God.

Come now. I'm pretty sure 99 out of 100 Catholics would be horrified at that statement. And I'm giving you the 100th out of charity. ;)

Mike

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02/12/2013 09:47:47 PM · #305

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by David Ey:

I believe what you said is true, however, the pope is treated and worshiped as if he is God.

Come now. I'm pretty sure 99 out of 100 Catholics would be horrified at that statement. And I'm giving you the 100th out of charity. ;)

i don't know Jason, I was thinking the same thing listening to the news yesterday on my way home. The Catholic religion is filled will idols that take the focus of God or Jesus. The virgin Mary, St Christopher, the Pope, etc..

Heck the church even expects you to confess your sins to the priest, why can't they go right to Christ?

Everything they do is about putting the church first, now on an individual level i'm sure they all have good intention but looking at the whole you see the system thats in place, its like any large organization with power, its self serving first.

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02/12/2013 09:52:25 PM · #306

You can ask MySQL about it, but my sense is the feeling an intermediary is needed between the sinner and a holy God. Now, personally I don't believe in this requirement, but I can understand the thinking. Still, when asked, none are going to be equated with God.

Mike

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02/12/2013 09:59:40 PM · #307

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

I already know you are one of the few rational Christians around :P. Christ died so that no intermediary was no longer needed. The church invented the need, so that sinners would need the church.

and I agree, I don't think anyone would equate him with God? But the guy is a celebrity, a big one and celebrities are idols, false ones. Even when i was a practicing Christian, things just seemed odd about the whole setup.

02/12/2013 11:54:37 PM · #308

Well, there are pros and cons to each way of thinking. I do think Catholics make things harder than they need to be at times, but I still consider them brothers in Christ. On the other side of the coin is the evangelical "God is my copilot" mentality and that has its issues to. I subscribe to a balanced approach. :)

02/13/2013 09:24:44 AM · #309

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Okay.......so how often does your balanced approach put you in a dilemma, either public or personal, in your own church?

To me, it seems like God would be pretty happy if more people used good ol' common sense and not take everything literally, especially since some of the literal things, like slavery, that the wife is secondary, not eating shellfish or rye bread, obviously do require common sense, or at least the understanding that the reasons for some edicts are gone.

I hate to keep harping on the "How much should one believe, and who has the final say?" question, but that's what it always comes back to for me.

I certainly don't have a clue, and to be honest, what with all the strife that's constantly in front of us in life, be it people like Westboro, or someone who's so decent they should be sainted struck down by a virulent, fast-moving cancer, I have a hard time reconciling what any of it means.

I know it's all about faith, but to a certain extent, I still want something tangible to hang my faith upon. For me, that seems like what I would call the inherent decency of the human animal. I've seen enough to give me hope that people are basically good.

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02/13/2013 10:28:30 AM · #310

Originally posted by mike_311:

The Catholic religion is filled will idols that take the focus of God or Jesus. The virgin Mary, St Christopher, the Pope, etc..

Heck the church even expects you to confess your sins to the priest, why can't they go right to Christ?

Everything they do is about putting the church first, now on an individual level i'm sure they all have good intention but looking at the whole you see the system thats in place, its like any large organization with power, its self serving first.

Then it's easy, don't follow Jesus and his church.

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02/13/2013 11:04:40 AM · #311

Originally posted by mike_311:

Christ died so that no intermediary was no longer needed.

Hang on, what about all that "No one comes to the Father except through me" business? - Wasn't Jesus setting himself up as an intermediary?

Mike

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02/13/2013 11:13:57 AM · #312

Originally posted by JH:

Originally posted by mike_311:
Christ died so that no intermediary was no longer needed.

Hang on, what about all that "No one comes to the Father except through me" business? - Wasn't Jesus setting himself up as an intermediary?

yes, exactly.

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02/13/2013 11:39:06 AM · #313

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by JH:

Originally posted by mike_311:
Christ died so that no intermediary was no longer needed.

Hang on, what about all that "No one comes to the Father except through me" business? - Wasn't Jesus setting himself up as an intermediary?

yes, exactly.

Ah, okay - For a minute I thought there was no intermediary and that it was okay to talk to god personally. The catholic church are great in that they have the virgin mary as a go-between, not to mention the multitude of saints (one for each lost cause)

God probably has to delegate his workload.

02/13/2013 11:44:31 AM · #314

Originally posted by JH:

It depends what you are talking about. Here he is talking about salvation, not petition. Also, in the very same conversation Jesus says, "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father." so he isn't setting himself up as an intermediary as much as saying he IS God. (The passage is in John 14).

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02/13/2013 11:45:48 AM · #315

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Okay.......so how often does your balanced approach put you in a dilemma, either public or personal, in your own church?

I think I mentioned this before, but last month I was elected an elder of our church. It doesn't seem like it's a problem and I'm pretty sure my balanced approach is the norm.

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02/13/2013 11:55:42 AM · #316

Originally posted by mike_311:

I already know you are one of the few rational Christians around :P

There are PLENTY of rational Christians around; they just don't engage in never-ending theological debate :-)

02/13/2013 11:57:38 AM · #317

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Okay.......so how often does your balanced approach put you in a dilemma, either public or personal, in your own church?

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

I think I mentioned this before, but last month I was elected an elder of our church. It doesn't seem like it's a problem and I'm pretty sure my balanced approach is the norm.

I thought you had to be crotchety and old to be an elder?

Oh well......one outta two ain't bad! LOL!!!

02/13/2013 11:59:32 AM · #318

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Oh well......one outta two ain't bad! LOL!!!

I have more gray hair than I should at my age. It gives me an advantage. :)

02/13/2013 12:01:15 PM · #319

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by mike_311:
I already know you are one of the few rational Christians around :P

There are PLENTY of rational Christians around; they just don't engage in never-ending theological debate :-)

Amen! Although I'm pretty sure Robert is saying I'm not rational for being here. ;)

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02/13/2013 12:20:43 PM · #320

Originally posted by mike_311:

I already know you are one of the few rational Christians around :P

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

There are PLENTY of rational Christians around; they just don't engage in never-ending theological debate :-)

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Amen! Although I'm pretty sure Robert is saying I'm not rational for being here. ;)

Oh, he would never say that about you as far as you know!

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02/13/2013 12:22:09 PM · #321

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Oh well......one outta two ain't bad! LOL!!!

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

I have more gray hair than I should at my age. It gives me an advantage. :)

It's the children.

Whoever said that children keep you young should be flogged at daybreak for a year! LOL!!!

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02/13/2013 01:14:39 PM · #322

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Whoever said that children keep you young should be flogged at daybreak for a year! LOL!!!

Or maybe they should have to get up for that 2a.m. feeding ... I find another theory more plausible, that insanity is hereditary (you get it from your kids).

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02/13/2013 01:37:31 PM · #323

Great discussion of the dead sea scrolls with Terry Gross on NPR Fresh air today, with Yale Scholar John J. Collins

Some neat points, including a reiteration of the position that the book of Revelations spoke to the end of the Roman Empire's occupation of the holy Land, rather than the literal end of the world. Listen for yourself if you can.

02/13/2013 01:55:42 PM · #324

Originally posted by blindjustice:

Haven't had a chance to listen, but wanted to say it is widely viewed that prophetic books in the Bible work on multiple levels. There may be an immediate interpretation as well as a larger or higher interpretation. Anyway, I'd never claim I know what Revelation is about beyond the broadest of brushstrokes.

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