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05/05/2012 10:05:00 PM · #76 |
Just because a challenge allows Expert editing doesn't mean you have to use it -- I have entered such challenges (recently) with entries which conformed to the Minimal rules.
Unless you care about your overall average score here, there is not really any reason to not enter a photo you are happy with, using whatever capture techniques and post-processing you are comfortable with.
Personally, I think this topic would have been more of a "challenge" if run under a more restrictive rule set, and if I enter I may well use one.
My own earlier attempt at a "ghost" image used Basic techniques (in an Advanced challenge), and could have been entered with Minimal rules if necessary ...
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05/05/2012 10:06:45 PM · #77 |
"In all justice, in approaching the exhibition on the boulevard des Capucines, one should divide it into two parts: one which cannot be too highly encouraged, the other against which one cannot react too strongly; the first which has every right to our praise, the second which should be very vigorously rejected; the latter despicable, the former worthy of great interest."
(from: //www.artchive.com/galleries/1874/74critic.htm)
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05/05/2012 10:08:43 PM · #78 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
So, if this site becomes dominated by DeviantArt-like images, while squeezing out photography.... well, the die may have been cast. I bought my first slr camera in 1971 and have been a "photographer" ever since. In retrospect, the technology advances have been breathtaking. The old saying is,
The only constant is change, continuing change, inevitable change, that is the dominant factor in society today. No sensible decision can be made any longer without taking into account not only the world as it is, but the world as it will be.
â Isaac Asimov
I have found this to be especially true in photography and computer technology. I view the manipulation of pixels as a fad. But, that's just me. In the long run, I think what will be valued will be pixels which document reality. |
Although I was nursing in '71, I share your feelings, and I am always pleased to see an Asimov quote.
Message edited by author 2012-05-05 22:14:59. |
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05/05/2012 10:43:42 PM · #79 |
Hmmm... Expert editing doesn't seem to bother me, but I should admit that in the past I have been really intimidated to enter. Either way, I can certainly understand where some of the resentment comes from.
Having said that, I think there is room on this site for it. I mean, why not consider doing a minimal, basic, advanced, and expert each week??? Thereby making up the four challenges, but allowing the different rule sets for everyone to compete in.
Lastly, I find it interesting that the terms "Digital Art" and "Cartoon" and "CGI" seem to be thrown around as insults here... I understand that this is a photography website, but I do think we need to respect this as art. Maybe I'm in the minority... But I love all of it!!!... Any way I can get it.
I don't really enter challenges much because I have a 15 month old, but I have used this site as a tool to learn as much as I can, whether it be about photography or editing. Think about it for a minute, you may despise digital art, or whatever you want to call it, but you may learn a technique in creating digital art that could save your next great image.
Don't look at it as trying to create something "Cartoonish"... Look at it as trying to learn how to use photoshop (or GIMP in my case) to its full potential... I mean really, what's the point of having a Ferrari if you only know how to drive it at 65mph??? Sure, you may not ever really want to go 200mph... but its nice to know that if you need to, you can... :)
Message edited by author 2012-05-05 22:49:00. |
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05/06/2012 12:18:20 AM · #80 |
Originally posted by Brent_S:
Sure I can just concede the top spots to the digital creations and give it a go anyway (and I may), but to me that feels a little like running a foot race where I'm not taking steroids when many competitors are. Just not very appealing... |
The steroid analogy implies cheating to me. Perhaps a better metaphor is you running a footrace barefoot while the other runners are wearing proper running shoes.
Originally posted by cosmicassassin:
...but the manipulation and processing after the capture(s) isn't what I perceive as photography. |
Funny, but even Ansel Adams believed that the capture was just the beginning. He spent much more time in the darkroom than he did behind the camera.
I think it's great that we have so many choices now. Enter those challenges that appeal to you. Take advantage of the editing rules that you excel at. Or challenge yourself to try something new - it is dpchallenge after all.
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05/06/2012 07:45:35 AM · #81 |
Originally posted by fldave:
Originally posted by Brent_S:
Sure I can just concede the top spots to the digital creations and give it a go anyway (and I may), but to me that feels a little like running a foot race where I'm not taking steroids when many competitors are. Just not very appealing... |
The steroid analogy implies cheating to me. Perhaps a better metaphor is you running a footrace barefoot while the other runners are wearing proper running shoes.
Originally posted by cosmicassassin:
...but the manipulation and processing after the capture(s) isn't what I perceive as photography. |
Funny, but even Ansel Adams believed that the capture was just the beginning. He spent much more time in the darkroom than he did behind the camera.
I think it's great that we have so many choices now. Enter those challenges that appeal to you. Take advantage of the editing rules that you excel at. Or challenge yourself to try something new - it is dpchallenge after all. |
Agree completely, as long as it is always remembered that this is dpchallenge, if the images start to become something other than photographs then we are heading the wrong way, DPC is unique, there are other sites for that kind of thing and DPC does not need to emulate them..
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05/06/2012 08:05:16 AM · #82 |
| A photograph - a drawing made with light. |
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05/06/2012 08:55:06 AM · #83 |
| I have nothing against expert editing, my photos are manipulated like most photographers here and the more choices we have in manipulation the better, what i dislike is when the results no longer look like photographs but more like stills from a Disney movie or a video game, and note that I'm not saying that they are not photographs because they are, what I'm saying is they don't look like photos anymore, in my eyes of course. |
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05/06/2012 09:01:18 AM · #84 |
Originally posted by MargaretN:
A photograph - a drawing made with light. |
Not sure where you are getting that definition from TBH Margret.
Photograph
pho·to·graph
noun
A picture made using a camera, in which an image is focused onto film or other light-sensitive material and then made visible and permanent by chemical treatment, or stored digitally
ETA: +1 what John said.
Message edited by author 2012-05-06 09:02:08.
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05/06/2012 10:24:15 AM · #85 |
Originally posted by jagar:
I have nothing against expert editing, my photos are manipulated like most photographers here and the more choices we have in manipulation the better, what i dislike is when the results no longer look like photographs but more like stills from a Disney movie or a video game, and note that I'm not saying that they are not photographs because they are, what I'm saying is they don't look like photos anymore, in my eyes of course. |
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05/06/2012 10:30:33 AM · #86 |
Originally posted by james_so:
Originally posted by MargaretN:
A photograph - a drawing made with light. |
Not sure where you are getting that definition from TBH Margret.
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From the etymology of the word i guess. Light Writing.
photo-
comb. form meaning "light" or "photographic," from Gk. photo-, comb. form of phos (gen. photos) "light," from PIE root *bha- "to shine" (see phantasm).
-graphy
comb. form meaning âprocess of writing or recordingâ or âa writing, recording, or description,â from Fr. or Ger. -graphie, from Gk. -graphia "description of," from graphein âwrite, express by written characters," earlier "to draw, represent by lines drawn,â originally "to scrape, scratch" (on clay tablets with a stylus), from PIE root *gerbh- "to scratch, carve" (see carve). In modern use, especially in forming names of descriptive sciences.
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05/06/2012 10:48:00 AM · #87 |
Originally posted by rooum:
Originally posted by james_so:
Originally posted by MargaretN:
A photograph - a drawing made with light. |
Not sure where you are getting that definition from TBH Margret.
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From the etymology of the word i guess. Light Writing.
photo-
comb. form meaning "light" or "photographic," from Gk. photo-, comb. form of phos (gen. photos) "light," from PIE root *bha- "to shine" (see phantasm).
-graphy
comb. form meaning âprocess of writing or recordingâ or âa writing, recording, or description,â from Fr. or Ger. -graphie, from Gk. -graphia "description of," from graphein âwrite, express by written characters," earlier "to draw, represent by lines drawn,â originally "to scrape, scratch" (on clay tablets with a stylus), from PIE root *gerbh- "to scratch, carve" (see carve). In modern use, especially in forming names of descriptive sciences. |
I can live with that :)
I'm still not sure whether it was meant to support expert or not or was just an interlude...
Message edited by author 2012-05-06 10:51:04.
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05/06/2012 12:53:01 PM · #88 |
Originally posted by jagar:
I have nothing against expert editing, my photos are manipulated like most photographers here and the more choices we have in manipulation the better, what i dislike is when the results no longer look like photographs but more like stills from a Disney movie or a video game, and note that I'm not saying that they are not photographs because they are, what I'm saying is they don't look like photos anymore, in my eyes of course. |
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photographs that don't look like photos?? is a photo not a photograph? is keeping the light and removing the drawing/writing part making so much difference? ;)
why insisting on calling Christophe's photographic art "cartoons"? who said that photos have to be B&W in the digital age?? aren't we clinging to the past for the effect?
PS to make it clear I admire the work of both of you, even if you both dislike each other's choices of the photographic genres! it would be nice though to be respectful of your personal choices :/
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05/06/2012 01:18:44 PM · #89 |
This just in...
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05/06/2012 01:30:02 PM · #90 |
Lets be clear Margaret, i have enormous respect for Christoph's images and the skill used in creating them, in the last expert challenge i thought his image deserved to win hands down and the fact that that particular challenge was expert was a wise choice, I replied in this thread because i thought the original challenge suggestion was for advanced and that the essence of the challenge has been changed doing it in expert. I was in no way being disrespectful to Christoph or others who prefer that type of image, if on the other hand i was to call street photography vulgar voyeurism, that would be disrespectful in my opinion.
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05/06/2012 08:41:59 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Originally posted by jagar:
I have nothing against expert editing, my photos are manipulated like most photographers here and the more choices we have in manipulation the better, what i dislike is when the results no longer look like photographs but more like stills from a Disney movie or a video game, and note that I'm not saying that they are not photographs because they are, what I'm saying is they don't look like photos anymore, in my eyes of course. |
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photographs that don't look like photos?? |
Yes, it's very possible and for what started off as a photograph to be turned into something not even remotely resembling something taken with a camera any more.
I'm fairly certain that's why DPChallenge put this statement in the Expert Editing Overview / Rules section:
"Please remember, however, that this is a photography contest. You are encouraged to keep your entries photographic in nature, and voters are encouraged to rate entries accordingly." |
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05/07/2012 12:15:10 AM · #92 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
I'm fairly certain that's why DPChallenge put this statement in the Expert Editing Overview / Rules section:
"Please remember, however, that this is a photography contest. You are encouraged to keep your entries photographic in nature, and voters are encouraged to rate entries accordingly." |
To all of you out there complaining, don't blame Christophe....blame yourselves. Christophe abides by the rules, however, he takes a risk with the above ruling.
There is only one person who decides the outcome of the challenge....and that is YOU! If it doesn't look like a real photo...then don't vote as if it is a real photo. In the beginning of Expert editing, any of my entries that didn't look like a real photo, got hammered. Now I have noticed a complete turn around...! For example, in the beginning of the Emergency people thought my entry was real and voted it low...(I watched the votes/comments to work this out). It eventually climbed back up as people started guessing what I used to make the image. So nowadays it seems you are voting good entries highly, regardless if they look like a real photo or not. And then you come in here and start hammering Christophe for being good at what he does!!! If you don't like the results...then change the way you vote....you are the only one that can change the final outcome. Let Christophe do what he enjoys as long as he is abiding by the rules and vote the challenge accordingly.
BTW...for all you nitpickers...this comment is not aimed at glad2badad's!
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05/07/2012 01:27:02 PM · #93 |
DOES GHOST EXIST? Yeah! through expert editing
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05/08/2012 10:36:42 AM · #94 |
Here's a link to a clip that shows you can get proper ghost shots without expert editing, it's a video though and worth listening to, you can hear the ghost approaching if you listen carefully, I'd suggest a speaker volume of around 7 or 8 and you should hear the rustling noise.
Ghost Clip |
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05/08/2012 11:15:31 AM · #95 |
| I'm in! I stayed up all night. The ghost showed up. I got a great shot, PP using HDR & have a beautiful, sharp & clear shot of a bona fide ghost. Heehee, the blue is MINE! |
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05/08/2012 06:09:43 PM · #96 |
Originally posted by Mark-A:
Here's a link to a clip that shows you can get proper ghost shots without expert editing, it's a video though and worth listening to, you can hear the ghost approaching if you listen carefully, I'd suggest a speaker volume of around 7 or 8 and you should hear the rustling noise.
Ghost Clip |
hmmm... looked more like a zombie than a ghost to me. maybe for next challenge. ;-) |
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05/08/2012 06:11:28 PM · #97 |
Originally posted by pixelpig:
I'm in! I stayed up all night. The ghost showed up. I got a great shot, PP using HDR & have a beautiful, sharp & clear shot of a bona fide ghost. Heehee, the blue is MINE! |
... no way... definitely gonna be DNMC ... ghosts are never "a beautiful, sharp & clear shot" ;-)
(in fact, i'm working hard in PP to get mine more diffuse)
-m
Message edited by author 2012-05-08 18:11:41. |
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05/08/2012 06:45:04 PM · #98 |
| To my own big surprise I am in! :) |
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05/08/2012 07:39:47 PM · #99 |
| mines in staight from camera oops who needs expert hehe (i will live to regret this statement:) ) |
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