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04/16/2004 10:52:30 PM · #26 |
While rules are rules, it does seem a bit odd that self-admitted computer graphics are winning ribbons in a photography site, while simple date slips are being punished heavily.
This is not a pleasant trend for DPC. |
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04/16/2004 11:14:12 PM · #27 |
I just don't get the reaction. So Jason (among several this week) made a mistake and has to live with it. So it means he doesn't get to participate in a photography challenge that doesn't mean anything except pride or bragging rights. It's not like he's losing a cash prize or some award that he can publish with his portfolio. He knows he took the shot. He's satisfied with it and apparently most of we who voted liked it, too. But that doesn't make it fair or just that he should "get away with it" when Hans and Keith both got DQ'd because they all seemed to make an honest mistake. The only way the rules work is if they are enforced regularly. Sure Jason has nice photos but I'm sure others on this site like other photographers better. So should Jason get a "bye" on this mistake and when someone else's favorite photographer doesn't change his/her date someone's gonna stick it to them and DQ their request after they win a ribbon (or come in in the top 10)?
Let the SC enforce the rules that everyone should already know about. It's no major inconvenience to anyone that posted to the challenge that they just don't get to finish this challenge. Jason knows how his entry was going. Nothing can take away from that.
If anyone has a reasonable suspicion that someone else is cheating all it takes is one person to choose to DQ a challenge entry and the SC will take a look at it. It's not like they're picking and choosing who it is they want to tick off. They are enforcing the rules that we all agreed to or at least all acknowledged when we paid to join this site and that we agree to when we post entries to a challenge.
Jason, I would hate to see you get jaded and not post more to the challenges but regardless of how this feels I don't think its personal or directed towards you by some malicious SC member. An honest mistake deserves someone saying something like "My bad. I'll take care of this problem and it won't happen again." At least I know that's what my boss would want to hear from me if I messed up at work and it was an honest mistake like I failed to set a date correctly or make sure some parameter of a program was reset properly. Just keep on submitting shots and for goodness' sake; fix that darned date on the camera.
Kev
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04/16/2004 11:19:46 PM · #28 |
Why is everyone expecting the SC members to reverse the rules on this issue? It seems to me that if they do it because it has the wrong year, they cast themselves into having to make judgement calls in the future that could be more complicated and more difficult. Take for instance, "my camera wasn't even made on that date." Do we really take the time SC members volunteer so much for granted that we expect them to now on their own time to go and find out when a camera was first introduced into production?
Whatever the choice the SC make, they are to be commended for the time they give to us and not ridiculed.
Message edited by author 2004-04-16 23:20:48. |
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04/17/2004 05:30:04 AM · #29 |
I support the strong stand that SC is taking on the dates issue. A new excuse for not having your camera set correctly seems to come up every other week. It is now time for us to grow up and realize that if an entry's date is wrong it is O-U-T outta here!!!!, no ifs, ands or buts. If you get DQed for dates it is no one's fault but your own.
The 500 pound gorilla in the room that won't go away is the inability of SC to agree on DQing the "digital art" entries. Some recent examples have been so obviously in violation of the Advance Editing rules that they should be slam dunk DQs, and yet they survive, and even take ribbons. Any reasonable person who is paying attention must come to the conclusion that SC, as presently constituted, is paralyzed by disagreement among themselves on the the issue of enforcing "advanced editing". The de facto rule for Member challenges now has become "anything goes" as long as it has the correct date.
Message edited by author 2004-04-17 05:34:04. |
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04/17/2004 05:53:51 AM · #30 |
| It looks like people making innocent date mistakes are becoming scapegoats for the people who are angry with past leniency. |
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04/17/2004 06:22:46 AM · #31 |
The "Digital Art" issue is still being discussed by the SC, and Jason, you may get a ribbon for your 4th place entry yet, but as I said, we're still discussing. The trouble is with that rule is that it's open to different interpretations, a mistake on our part when writing them. Unfortunatly, the date rule is clear. As much as we hate to DQ what very well could be legal entries, we have to, to stop people taking advantage. By the way, we can tell when EXIF data has been modified and we have banned people from the site for doing it in the past.
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04/17/2004 06:23:38 AM · #32 |
Just throwing my (dq'd 2 cents in)
My picture for the window challenge was DQ'd because the date was wrong in the camera. My camera was recently serviced at Nikon and they somehow changed the date. My picture was at 6.25 at the time of the pull and moving up. I have PM'd the site to state my case and have not had any contact, other than the original email telling me the picture was DQ'd.
IMHO a good picture has been pulled not for cheating (all rules were followed, the pic was taken during the time period) but because of a technical error.
I hope the SC reinstates my shot, but as KevinRiggs put it "My bad" the problem has been corrected and look out for Coley!! in the next two challenges
(post copied to SC)
Coley |
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04/17/2004 07:00:55 AM · #33 |
The same thing happened to me //dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=81132 .
An honest mistake, but MY mistake none the less.
Move on.
Go out and take another picture.
No-one got hurt.
It's only a few million pixels after all :-)
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04/17/2004 07:35:54 AM · #34 |
WOuld the DQ for these out of dates be complained about more if the score was 3? NOPE!! Anyway. The time stamp is incorrect, shame on you, fix it, move on, and don't ever do it again.
I check mine after everytime I charge the battery and/or reformat the CF card to make sure no "glitch" happened. Simple as that.
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04/17/2004 07:40:45 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by Coley:
Just throwing my (dq'd 2 cents in)
My picture for the window challenge was DQ'd because the date was wrong in the camera. My camera was recently serviced at Nikon and they somehow changed the date. My picture was at 6.25 at the time of the pull and moving up. I have PM'd the site to state my case and have not had any contact, other than the original email telling me the picture was DQ'd.
IMHO a good picture has been pulled not for cheating (all rules were followed, the pic was taken during the time period) but because of a technical error.
I hope the SC reinstates my shot, but as KevinRiggs put it "My bad" the problem has been corrected and look out for Coley!! in the next two challenges
(post copied to SC)
Coley |
Keep this good attitude, Coley...we know you are a talented photographer and will most certainly be a force to be reckoned with in the future. I'm glad you can put a positive spin on the situation.
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04/17/2004 09:40:44 AM · #36 |
My issue with this case is that Jason did not even OWN the camera a year ago. He was shooting with the Olympus I own until VERY recently. I mean - where there's SOME sort of 'proof' it should be taken into account too. This may just be the lawyer in me, but how's it more fair to arbitrarily enforce a rule when a LOT of cameras reset the date? I mean - hell, mine's not set. I guess it's a good thing I haven't won a ribbon. I'd be pissed as all hell if I took a winning shot and because taking my batteries out resets the clock and I don't look at the thing because I know when I take pictures...anyways...(and yes, I know the rules say "no excuses, forewarned, etc etc"
Isn't there a difference between "No, guys, my cam settings were off by 3 months, 2 days and an hour" and "My cam settings were off by 365 days exactly, I set the wrong year, I didn't own this camera in 2003"? Just MHO.
Message edited by author 2004-04-17 09:42:13. |
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04/17/2004 09:53:27 AM · #37 |
Folks, I'm sorry, but the date is the date. There is a rule that tells you to check the date. There have been forums threads asking you to check the date. Quite frankly, I don't think of any of these as "cheaters," just people who overlooked a detail.
My advice? In the future, before you go out on a shoot, check the date on the camera. Mine shows the date as it is "booting up," but if I miss it, it takes about 10 seconds to go to the menu and find it.
I seriously doubt any of the wrong date dq's will be reinstated at this point (karmat's personal opinion).
"Digital art" dq's or not. As Konador said, we are still trying to come to a decision that is fair, equitable, based on common sense and for the good of the entire site. Unfortunately, it is based on subjective opinions (whereas the date is objective and can be dealt with more quickly). We ask for your patience, please. We really don't get some kind of thrill out of dqing pics. I promise.
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04/17/2004 10:31:47 AM · #38 |
Because of all this date debate I just checked my own camera. It should be OK, I can remember when I last set it after a sudden camera reset.
It was in fact off by about 5 hours into the future!!!???
It appears that my camera's clock runs faster than the real clocks. So check your date/time regularly. When you set the date early in the month (before the 13th of the month) be sure to check how the date is setup DD/MM/YYYY or MM/DD/YYYY (especially when you are European).
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04/17/2004 11:33:06 AM · #39 |
Keep this good attitude, Coley...we know you are a talented photographer and will most certainly be a force to be reckoned with in the future. I'm glad you can put a positive spin on the situation. [/quote]
Thanks Laurie |
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04/17/2004 11:46:03 AM · #40 |
He's right, Coley. It sucks that it had to happen, but live and learn I guess. Glad to see that you stayed civil about the whole thing. Keep shooting and best of luck with your future submissions.
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04/17/2004 06:15:20 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
Isn't there a difference between "No, guys, my cam settings were off by 3 months, 2 days and an hour" and "My cam settings were off by 365 days exactly, I set the wrong year, I didn't own this camera in 2003"? Just MHO. |
Thanks mavrik. That's my point exactly.
A few of us seemed to have learned a lesson the hard way this week. Time to move on. Perhaps we do need babysitters to help us control our cameras as someone so nicely put it...
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04/19/2004 01:08:54 AM · #42 |
I have added my photo to my portfolio for those of you kind enough to encourage me to do so. I have also uploaded the version I would have submitted to a "basic editing" challenge, if anyone would like to see what I consider legal use of the advanced editing rules.
 My submission
 Basic Edit (no dodge and burn or clone tool) |
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04/19/2004 02:52:56 AM · #43 |
Sorry to see this one DQed, I really liked it. I am finding getting off by one year to be very easy to do, I normally do it when changing time zones. Somehow changing what should be a few hours on the clock ends up shifting the year all too often. I do check my clock often now.
Good luck on the next challenge.
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04/19/2004 02:59:53 AM · #44 |
Originally posted by JasonPR:
I have added my photo to my portfolio for those of you kind enough to encourage me to do so. I have also uploaded the version I would have submitted to a "basic editing" challenge, if anyone would like to see what I consider legal use of the advanced editing rules.
My submission
Basic Edit (no dodge and burn or clone tool) |
How is this for irony Jason?
Guess who I gave my only 10 to? The guy that got me DQ... :-)
No hard feelings Bro. Sorry about your DQ. Your shot deserves a ribbon in my book. |
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08/13/2004 05:50:46 PM · #45 |
I say confuse the hell out of them....
Set your camera date to 2006 and submit photos you've taken in the future!!! |
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08/13/2004 05:54:13 PM · #46 |
We'd be confused, but we'd still have to DQ you :P
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08/13/2004 06:01:10 PM · #47 |
My goodness but you're reading back through pages and pages of threads!
:o)
This thread died a natural death months ago... so strange to see it back again!
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08/13/2004 06:07:30 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
I think the SC are being unreasonably harsh. It would be interesting to know how many DPC members think there should be a bit more common sense and leniency. |
How can the SC proof that your proof is reliable?
I can fake a receipt, doesn't matter if you want a hard copy or a scan. I could also fake the date of my local newspaper.
Etc.
Just make sure the date is right. With many camera's, including the S602Z, it is very easy, because they display the set date at startup.
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08/13/2004 06:49:57 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by Kavey:
My goodness but you're reading back through pages and pages of threads!
:o)
This thread died a natural death months ago... so strange to see it back again! |
LOL. Stranger for me! I went to look at the thread feeling bad for whatever poor soul got DQd since I know the feeling from experience and low and behold, it was me!
Everyone go look at my fine DQ'd photo again. :)
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08/13/2004 06:55:48 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by theSaj:
I say confuse the hell out of them....
Set your camera date to 2006 and submit photos you've taken in the future!!! |
Originally posted by Konador:
We'd be confused, but we'd still have to DQ you :P |
But then I will have to ask again the same question I asked few days ago. What if a photo has its date after the last submission date, only few hours later because of the timezone difference, is that ok or not, people said it is ok, but the rules doesn't state that clearly, or does it? If so, then please tell me where I find it. I don't want to set my camera date/time just to have it right for DPC, I want to have it right as it is in my country. Please, can the SC confirm what the rules say about this?
I'm confused...
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