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06/10/2011 06:24:12 AM · #1 |
I find it really strange that its very easy to get an image DQed for minor reasons .
But the challenge description is often ignored.
"Lighter Than Air" was thus ; Capture OBJECTS in the air.
Yet 2nd and 3rd place where both PERSONS in the air.
Anyboby else get this.
Finished.
I bear no grudge against any of the entrants,winners or otherwise.
And I love you all. |
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06/10/2011 06:35:36 AM · #2 |
| I suppose people are objects too :-) Objectively speaking, of course...;-) |
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06/10/2011 06:45:12 AM · #3 |
I would suggest that your definition is too narrow. A very quick search of definitions shows that third definition includes the concept of a person.
noun
objects, plural
A material thing that can be seen and touched
- he was dragging a large object
- small objects such as shells
A thing external to the thinking mind or subject
A person or thing to which a specified action or feeling is directed
- disease became the object of investigation
A goal or purpose
- the institute was opened with the object of promoting scientific study
A noun or noun phrase governed by an active transitive verb or by a preposition
A data construct that provides a description of something that may be used by a computer (such as a processor, a peripheral, a document, or a data set) and defines its status, its method of operation, and how it interacts with other
Message edited by author 2011-06-10 06:45:26. |
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06/10/2011 06:52:47 AM · #4 |
considering 10 of the top 20 finishers all were of a person or person with another object convinces me that there was a fairly even split on how to interpret this challenge. just pretty disappointed at the large number of voters who voted down the entries they saw as dnmc for a challenge that was obviously widely interpreted.
eta: typo
Message edited by author 2011-06-10 06:53:22. |
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06/10/2011 06:53:18 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by FourPointX:
considering the top 20 finishers all were of a person or person with another object convinces me that there was a fairly even split on how to interpret this challenge. just pretty disappointed at the large number of voters who voted down the entries they saw as dnmc for a challenge that was obviously widely interpreted. |
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06/10/2011 07:09:44 AM · #6 |
| A person can be an object. |
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06/10/2011 07:14:17 AM · #7 |
I believe far too much emphasis is given to the interpretation of a challenge, take for instance the current challenge "Honey" nowhere does it say no bees yet we all seem to be upset at the amount of images involving bees.I could understand if the challenge was Cats and a dog was submitted as an entry, DNMC would apply. I think it is time the challenge description was descriptive as to what and what isn't acceptable.
Rant over. |
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06/10/2011 07:16:56 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
A person can be an object. |
I object to being an object! |
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06/10/2011 07:46:19 AM · #9 |
Seems to me that many people consider the challenge title more than the challenge description.
Honey is the title, but the description specifically mentions bees. I expected only bees.
"Lighter than air" was the title but the description implies shooting non flying objects as subjects, i.e. specifically those NOT "Lighter than air".
Art is not well suited for a rules based grading system and some people can not judge purely on artistic merit. |
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06/10/2011 08:00:08 AM · #10 |
| I am an objective animal. I am human. Object and animal. I am me. |
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06/10/2011 08:01:30 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by kawesttex:
Originally posted by vawendy:
A person can be an object. |
I object to being an object! |
Sex? |
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06/10/2011 08:03:34 AM · #12 |
Meh...IMO...taking the words of a particular challenge to heart...you would have to DNMC half the entrants in just about every challenge. Unless it is a VERY obvious DNMC...like a COW in a challenge called "take a picture of a boat", then it will be given a "pass"...especially if it is a nice looking shot.
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06/10/2011 08:05:59 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by Tiny:
I find it really strange that its very easy to get an image DQed for minor reasons .
But the challenge description is often ignored.
"Lighter Than Air" was thus ; Capture OBJECTS in the air.
Yet 2nd and 3rd place where both PERSONS in the air.
Anyboby else get this.
Finished.
I bear no grudge against any of the entrants,winners or otherwise.
And I love you all. |
Are you objecting because you had an entry in this challenge or because you voted higher on objects and less on people pictures?
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06/10/2011 08:07:06 AM · #14 |
| I noted the number of people, as objects. It was a surprise. These were not necessarily DNMC images to me. I voted fairly w/o regard to object or human. But, I didn't enter this challenge because I didn't want to mess with photographing objects frozen in mid-air. I would have entered if I could have entered people. It was a very narrow challenge description in my thinking. But, others chose to ignore the description and enter anything they wanted. It worked for some. |
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06/10/2011 08:36:07 AM · #15 |
I think the objects were people's clothing being shot in mid-air.
Mine was clearly about a soccer ball. I debated cloning out the distracting elements of the people, but it was under basic rules...
This entire thread reminds me of a girlfriend I had who used to say I objectified her... Now you have proved her right! |
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06/10/2011 09:24:52 AM · #16 |
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06/10/2011 09:26:20 AM · #17 |
| I didn't participate or vote in this challenge. I thought about entering a shot but didn't because it was a person suspended in air... I think my issue was that to me, an OBJECT is something that is not living, it is a "thing"... If the challenge description had said take a photo of your SUBJECT frozen in the air, then people to me would have been fine. I purposely didn't vote on the challenge for that reason. I'm not going to DNMC 50% of the photos because of my interpretation, but at the same time, I'm not going to vote them high either, so the only fair thing to do was not to vote... :) |
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06/10/2011 10:03:45 AM · #18 |
I just realized some time ago that ambiguity is the most common factor in most of the challenges definitions...
I also assumed for this one that it would be "objects"... But I said to myself "Just expect to see a bunch of people frozen in midair..." And I was right... :) Just made me laugh...
Once you understand this reality, you just don't mind seeing whatever in any challenge... But I do vote based on what I think is the interpretation of the theme based on its description... Sorry... Your interpretation, your entry... My opinion, my vote...
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06/10/2011 01:03:15 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by supanova:
Originally posted by Tiny:
I find it really strange that its very easy to get an image DQed for minor reasons .
But the challenge description is often ignored.
"Lighter Than Air" was thus ; Capture OBJECTS in the air.
Yet 2nd and 3rd place where both PERSONS in the air.
Anyboby else get this.
Finished.
I bear no grudge against any of the entrants,winners or otherwise.
And I love you all. |
Are you objecting because you had an entry in this challenge or because you voted higher on objects and less on people pictures? |
No ,Im objecting to the fact that a person is not an object |
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06/10/2011 01:07:53 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by Tiny:
Originally posted by supanova:
Originally posted by Tiny:
I find it really strange that its very easy to get an image DQed for minor reasons .
But the challenge description is often ignored.
"Lighter Than Air" was thus ; Capture OBJECTS in the air.
Yet 2nd and 3rd place where both PERSONS in the air.
Anyboby else get this.
Finished.
I bear no grudge against any of the entrants,winners or otherwise.
And I love you all. |
Are you objecting because you had an entry in this challenge or because you voted higher on objects and less on people pictures? |
No ,Im objecting to the fact that a person is not an object |
I am admittedly not a strict challenge adherence person. If there is reasonable doubt as to whether an entry meets challenge- you must not downgrade points based upon the challenge description- if its way off base or intentional, maybe- but aren't we supposed to be creative and look for the best shots, not semantic nit-picking robots?
If reasonable minds disagree- it should be the shot that is rated- not your own perception of how well it meets the challenge. just saying.
Message edited by author 2011-06-10 13:09:12. |
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06/10/2011 01:14:16 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
No ,Im objecting to the fact that a person is not an object |
I guess people who talk about the 'object of their affection' are never talking about a lover?
EDIT: I see Magnum beat me to this...
Message edited by author 2011-06-10 13:14:48. |
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06/10/2011 01:20:18 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by Tiny:
Originally posted by supanova:
Originally posted by Tiny:
I find it really strange that its very easy to get an image DQed for minor reasons .
But the challenge description is often ignored.
"Lighter Than Air" was thus ; Capture OBJECTS in the air.
Yet 2nd and 3rd place where both PERSONS in the air.
Anyboby else get this.
Finished.
I bear no grudge against any of the entrants,winners or otherwise.
And I love you all. |
Are you objecting because you had an entry in this challenge or because you voted higher on objects and less on people pictures? |
No ,Im objecting to the fact that a person is not an object |
So again, I want to reinforce my earlier post with a couple accepted definitions of object:
From Dictionary.com
"A person or thing to which a specified action or feeling is directed
- disease became the object of investigation"
From Merriam Webster:
"1.anything that is visible or tangible and is relatively stable in form.
2.a thing, person, or matter to which thought or action is directed: an object of Medical investigation."
Others have posted similar examples. Your definition of object appears to be overly narrow.
Message edited by author 2011-06-10 13:33:09. |
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06/10/2011 01:41:13 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by bassbone:
Originally posted by Tiny:
Originally posted by supanova:
Originally posted by Tiny:
I find it really strange that its very easy to get an image DQed for minor reasons .
But the challenge description is often ignored.
"Lighter Than Air" was thus ; Capture OBJECTS in the air.
Yet 2nd and 3rd place where both PERSONS in the air.
Anyboby else get this.
Finished.
I bear no grudge against any of the entrants,winners or otherwise.
And I love you all. |
Are you objecting because you had an entry in this challenge or because you voted higher on objects and less on people pictures? |
No ,Im objecting to the fact that a person is not an object |
So again, I want to reinforce my earlier post with a couple accepted definitions of object:
From Dictionary.com
"A person or thing to which a specified action or feeling is directed
- disease became the object of investigation"
From Merriam Webster:
"1.anything that is visible or tangible and is relatively stable in form.
2.a thing, person, or matter to which thought or action is directed: an object of Medical investigation."
Others have posted similar examples. Your definition is too narrow. |
My main gripe with the Challenge description was with the use of OBJECT instead of SUBJECT... If you wanted people included, it should have said subject...
From dictionary.com... In that statement, disease became the object of investigation, but you wouldn't say Bill became the OBJECT of the investigation... You would say that Bill became the SUBJECT of the investigation... so only the last part of that statement applies for this challenge... A thing receives the action, a person receives the feeling... Upon Edit*** Left out the Merriam, same here, although once a person dies, a corpse would be an object of a medical investigation, whereas a person would be the subject of one...
Now if you used a person in your photo as the object of received feelings, i.e. Object of affection, then you would have been legit, in this case, a person can be an object... but in order for the person to be an OBJECT and meet the challenge, they would have to be receiving feelings, or perceived to be :)
and I'll tell you this, treat your wife like an object and see where that gets you ;)
Lastly, all this is why I didn't vote...LMAO... Oh and by the way, I'm just arguing this point for the hell of it... I wouldn't have voted photos down because of this interpretation, but in order to be fair and not have any bias, I just didn't vote
Message edited by author 2011-06-10 13:46:02. |
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06/10/2011 02:45:08 PM · #24 |
sirashley, i respectfully disagree.
jim is the object of janine's affections.
mia treats roy as a sex object.
these are people as objects.
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06/10/2011 02:56:01 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by FourPointX:
sirashley, i respectfully disagree.
jim is the object of janine's affections.
mia treats roy as a sex object.
these are people as objects. |
Yeah I agree that Jim is the object of Janine's affections, that's why I said that if the photo had used a person receiving feelings, then they would be an object... in this instance the person an object...
Your second example compares Roy to an object... Perhaps if you said, "Roy is her sex object." then it would work... and a photo that depicted a person as a sex object in the air would have been legit... But to label people as objects in general, to me, isn't accurate... I guess my point is that you have to depict people as objects... Sorry for the edits, and if this sounded curt... I am on my droid
Message edited by author 2011-06-10 15:19:19. |
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