Are gay rights, including gay marriage, evolving?

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06/03/2011 04:40:24 PM · #5401

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

He asks how being gay is anything more than "having sex"? Easy. It means being attracted to (in every manner) people of the same gender as you. Intellectually and emotionally as well as physically. You can even have physical attraction without having physical intimacy. I can think a man is good looking without ever thinking about having sex with them.

Did I miss something? Are you coming out? :D

Message edited by author 2011-06-03 16:41:49.

K3Master

Pentax K-3

06/03/2011 04:46:51 PM · #5402

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:
He asks how being gay is anything more than "having sex"? Easy. It means being attracted to (in every manner) people of the same gender as you. Intellectually and emotionally as well as physically. You can even have physical attraction without having physical intimacy. I can think a man is good looking without ever thinking about having sex with them.

Did I miss something? Are you coming out? :D

I don't see anything there that would suggest that?

yanko

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06/03/2011 05:04:32 PM · #5403

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:
He asks how being gay is anything more than "having sex"? Easy. It means being attracted to (in every manner) people of the same gender as you. Intellectually and emotionally as well as physically. You can even have physical attraction without having physical intimacy. I can think a man is good looking without ever thinking about having sex with them.

Did I miss something? Are you coming out? :D

I don't see anything there that would suggest that?

I was going to reply earlier that alarms must be going off at the fundamentalist's camp. If thoughts like those aren't generating an immediate repulsion then your mind hasn't been waterboarded enough.

K3Master

Pentax K-3

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06/03/2011 05:20:17 PM · #5404

Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:
He asks how being gay is anything more than "having sex"? Easy. It means being attracted to (in every manner) people of the same gender as you. Intellectually and emotionally as well as physically. You can even have physical attraction without having physical intimacy. I can think a man is good looking without ever thinking about having sex with them.

Did I miss something? Are you coming out? :D

I don't see anything there that would suggest that?

I was going to reply earlier that alarms must be going off at the fundamentalist's camp. If thoughts like those aren't generating an immediate repulsion then your mind hasn't been waterboarded enough.

Hehe. To be fair, Doc's just bugging me, but I'm sure that many others cringe.

06/03/2011 05:30:09 PM · #5405

Originally posted by yanko:

I think the point was to poke a little fun at Ed. He starts by saying being gay is much more than the sex part. It also encompasses "intellectual and emotional" attraction. He then goes on to claim that at times he has such attractions. I doubt he meant to indicate he was gay, but there seems to be some confusion in his post.

Being gay, by any medical or psychological definition, involves being sexually attracted to the same gender. Of course there is more to it than this, but that portion is necessary. Ed's post inadvertently seemed to indicate that this wasn't required.

Nullix is concentrating on what is "required". Ed is concentrating on the whole picture. As per usual, people are talking about different things.

Message edited by author 2011-06-03 17:30:59.

06/03/2011 06:49:35 PM · #5406

Originally posted by scalvert:

I'm just waiting to hear how Nullix had any concept of "virgin" or "chaste" without touching on sexuality. It's hilarious that he says "Mary was a virgin and didn't have sex" as an objection to the "claim they weren't taught anything about sexuality early in life."

Biiiiiiingo. That would be the cognitive dissonance I mentioned.

06/03/2011 06:56:05 PM · #5407

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:
He asks how being gay is anything more than "having sex"? Easy. It means being attracted to (in every manner) people of the same gender as you. Intellectually and emotionally as well as physically. You can even have physical attraction without having physical intimacy. I can think a man is good looking without ever thinking about having sex with them.

Did I miss something? Are you coming out? :D

I don't see anything there that would suggest that?

I was going to reply earlier that alarms must be going off at the fundamentalist's camp. If thoughts like those aren't generating an immediate repulsion then your mind hasn't been waterboarded enough.

I think the point was to poke a little fun at Ed. He starts by saying being gay is much more than the sex part. It also encompasses "intellectual and emotional" attraction. He then goes on to claim that at times he has such attractions. I doubt he meant to indicate he was gay, but there seems to be some confusion in his post.

Being gay, by any medical or psychological definition, involves being sexually attracted to the same gender. Of course there is more to it than this, but that portion is necessary. Ed's post inadvertently seemed to indicate that this wasn't required.

Nullix is concentrating on what is "required". Ed is concentrating on the whole picture. As per usual, people are talking about different things.

I can think a man is good looking without ever thinking about having sex with them.

This is a statement of possibility, not an suggestion that he has actually had such thoughts.

He did not say "I thought a man was good looking, but I did not have sex with him".

I can think purple unicorns float around Uranus without ever contracting Richard Branson for a space safari to see them.

Good grief.

But yeah, you are most undeniably talking about different things.

And your parsing is way off.

06/03/2011 06:58:52 PM · #5408

Being straight, by any medical or psychological definition, involves being sexually attracted to the opposite gender.

And we talk about moms and dads in school all the time, even though being a mom or dad is sexual.

It's amazing how blinkered privilege can make some people eh?

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06/03/2011 07:05:58 PM · #5409

I think some people here may have a little cognitive dissonance on the state of opinion in our country when it comes to schools teaching about sexuality in the elementary years.

My daughter goes to a public spanish immersion school here in Eugene. Two years ago the principle lost her job after including a transsexual on a poster celebrating diversity and refusing to remove it. Now, perhaps this was the straw that broke the camel's back and there were other issues at play as well, but the main point is this is Eugene, Oregon which is about as liberal a town as you can get in the US. Going topless is legal. 46,000 people have a medical marijuana card. Every year we have something called the Country Fair which is highly attended and basically celebrates pot, nudity and hedonism. The point is that if a principle can lose her job here for pressing alternative views of sexuality at the K-5 level (or perhaps sexuality period), then the country isn't as ready as you might think/want. I'm sure her heart was in the right place. The Tennessee law might be much closer to mainstream than you suspect.

David Ey

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06/03/2011 07:31:06 PM · #5410

Originally posted by Mousie:

This is not true, but I won't argue with you.

Melethia

Canon EOS-80D

06/04/2011 01:18:14 AM · #5411

What is a public spanish immersion school?

06/04/2011 01:33:02 AM · #5412

Originally posted by Melethia:

What is a public spanish immersion school?

Laine's curriculum is taught in Spanish full time. The Eugene school district is pretty impressive and they have certain schools that specialize in different things. They have Spanish Immersion, French Immersion, Japanese Immersion. They have a school with arts emphasis as well as others. You can enter a lottery to go to these schools instead of the school you are closest to. In fact you can choose to go to any school in the district (although you must always lottery into a school that isn't your home school).

Buena Vista Elementary

Message edited by author 2011-06-04 01:34:57.

RayEthier

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06/04/2011 02:07:13 AM · #5413

Originally posted by David Ey:

Originally posted by Mousie:
Being straight, by any medical or psychological definition, involves being sexually attracted to the opposite gender.

And we talk about moms and dads in school all the time, even though being a mom or dad is sexual.

It's amazing how blinkered privilege can make some people eh?

This is not true, but I won't argue with you.

Could you be a tad more specific my friend... which of the comments do you perceive as not being true... all of them?

Ray

Melethia

Canon EOS-80D

06/04/2011 02:11:14 AM · #5414

Cool about the school! Does she speak Spanish at home to confuse the grown-ups? :-)

RayEthier

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06/04/2011 02:26:51 AM · #5415

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

I think some people here may have a little cognitive dissonance on the state of opinion in our country when it comes to schools teaching about sexuality in the elementary years.

My daughter goes to a public spanish immersion school here in Eugene. Two years ago the principle lost her job after including a transsexual on a poster celebrating diversity and refusing to remove it. Now, perhaps this was the straw that broke the camel's back and there were other issues at play as well, but the main point is this is Eugene, Oregon which is about as liberal a town as you can get in the US. Going topless is legal. 46,000 people have a medical marijuana card. Every year we have something called the Country Fair which is highly attended and basically celebrates pot, nudity and hedonism. The point is that if a principle can lose her job here for pressing alternative views of sexuality at the K-5 level (or perhaps sexuality period), then the country isn't as ready as you might think/want. I'm sure her heart was in the right place. The Tennessee law might be much closer to mainstream than you suspect.

That is in all probability very true Doc and demonstrates only too well just how puritan a society the USA truly is. I am still awed at the fact that violence is seemingly readily acceptable in the USA, (witness the things we see on television) but that nakedness and sex are almost taboo.

One could also point out that holding a medical marijuana card and celebrating a whole day of pot, nudity and hedonism is truly not reflective of the norm but rather the tolerated exception.

Would love to chat some more, but it is 02:24 hrs and I need to pack to go to the Wilkes Barre GTG where I get to chin wag with

Scalvert... you might remember him from the threads. :O)

Ray

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06/04/2011 11:32:09 AM · #5416

Originally posted by RayEthier:

I agree with you on the violence front. But instead of concluding that we need more sex, I conclude that we need less violence (although that gets trounced by some libertarians here as well, a la violent video games).

shutterpuppy

Sony Alpha a7

06/06/2011 04:21:33 PM · #5417

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by RayEthier:
That is in all probability very true Doc and demonstrates only too well just how puritan a society the USA truly is. I am still awed at the fact that violence is seemingly readily acceptable in the USA, (witness the things we see on television) but that nakedness and sex are almost taboo.

I agree with you on the violence front. But instead of concluding that we need more sex, I conclude that we need less violence (although that gets trounced by some libertarians here as well, a la violent video games).

Well . . . there is some research that suggests that more sex actually leads to less violence. (Of course we need to let go of the "traditional" male view of sexuality as being tied to domination and exploitation. Just say'n.

On Sex and Violence (Sex at Dawn Blog)
Make Love Not War?

Nullix

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06/16/2011 10:28:38 AM · #5418

As a hetero/breeder who sings show tunes in the shower, I thought this was really funny (although, something about using nuns hit a nerve):

Broadway isn't just for gays anymore! (Neil Patrick Harris' 2011 Tony Awards Opening Number)

And maybe a little more on topic Gay Judge's Decision on California Same-Sex Marriage Ban Upheld. I'm sure this will go all the way to the supreme court.

Nullix

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06/17/2011 11:19:49 AM · #5419

How a 'gay rights' leader became straight

It's interesting the once editor of Young Gay America and producer of "Jim in Bold" says, "Homosexuality, delivered to young minds, is by its very nature pornographic." Even he agrees we shouldn't teach 2nd graders about sexuality (homo or hetero).

rooum

06/17/2011 04:19:41 PM · #5420

Here's some good news.

rooum

06/18/2011 04:56:24 PM · #5421

Republican Senator Says â��Fuck Itâ��, Legalize Gay Marriage

"You get to the point where you evolve in your life where everything isn't black and white, good and bad, and you try to do the right thing. You might not like that. You might be very cynical about that. Well, fuck it. I don't care what you think. I'm trying to do the right thing.

I'm tired of Republican-Democrat politics. They can take the job and shove it. I come from a blue-collar background. I'm trying to do the right thing, and that's where I'm going with this."

sfalice

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06/21/2011 12:04:47 AM · #5422

Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:

Republican Senator Says â��Fuck Itâ��, Legalize Gay Marriage

"You get to the point where you evolve in your life where everything isn't black and white, good and bad, and you try to do the right thing. You might not like that. You might be very cynical about that. Well, fuck it. I don't care what you think. I'm trying to do the right thing.

I'm tired of Republican-Democrat politics. They can take the job and shove it. I come from a blue-collar background. I'm trying to do the right thing, and that's where I'm going with this."

A legislator with the guts to say that should be named.
Congratulations for locating your spine and using it to stand up straight to:

Republican New York State Senator Roy McDonald

scalvert

06/25/2011 12:56:11 AM · #5423

For any armchair Archie Bunkers still claiming that gay marriage is only supported by judicial activists or extreme liberals, here's your wake up call. One more excuse for prejudice and hatred is fast approaching the dustbin of history.

06/25/2011 12:16:43 PM · #5424

Of course, many of the comments on that link are extremely revolting and hateful, even while they deny their hate. I'm not going to read any more comments today, so they won't be able to steal my joy.

This just goes to show you why it's so important that legislation like this passes.

It's frankly shocking that anyone these days could read the comments you see on almost any gay-related new item and NOT understand that the difficulties homosexuals endure are quite real, and prevalent. This thread is an exception... it's at least vaguely civil. Y'all are pretty good at avoiding the crass and explicitly denigrating.

Sorry if you don't feel like you can join in the celebration, but let's hope this continues.

Nullix