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 05/23/2011 01:42:49 AM · #1
I saw a lot of picture with high votes just because of the quality and definitely out of subject because photos can be taken at 2pm, or in any case not at the sunrise or sunset time. With all the respect for the quality, but that should be disqualified.
 05/23/2011 02:39:35 AM · #2
05/23/2011 02:45:06 AM · #3
nothing against the quality of your photo which is superb. I'm just wondering what's the matter with respect to the subject.
 05/23/2011 02:49:42 AM · #4
I must not be understanding what you are having a problem with.... My shot was taken right around 7:15-7:30 ish pm you can tell by the angle of the light hitting her face and the warm feel to the evening light. And for most of the shots in this challenge the images definitely look like they meet the requirements.
 05/23/2011 03:12:48 AM · #5
Sorry, but I'm really not able to see the light you are speaking about. Nice photo by the way, just that.
 05/23/2011 05:33:54 AM · #6
Photos cannot be disqualified for a perception of not meeting the challenge. It is only a rules violation that can cause a DQ.
 05/23/2011 05:53:22 AM · #7
I don't quite follow what you mean by "what's the matter with respect to the subject."
The challenge description essentially asking you to take a photo during sunrise/sunset that did not consist of the sunrise/sunset itself. Kris' is a great example of this, using the warm low angle light for effective portraiture. If you were to take that photo, as you say, at 2pm, she would look like a raccoon and there would be no warm quality to the light.
And, as bassbone noted, there are no DQ's for subject matter that doesn't fit. Generally, such entries that do not meet the challenge (DNMC) are low voted by users, and that's their treatment. Sometimes, however, distinctly DNMC photos will score very highly, often because they go about things in a slightly different fashion. It is up to each voter how such departures are seen, and how strictly the challenge prompt should be interpreted.
 05/23/2011 06:47:16 AM · #8
Originally posted by danieletagliabue:
Sorry, but I'm really not able to see the light you are speaking about. Nice photo by the way, just that.


OK, I get it now. You need to look again Daniel. Photography is all about the light. If you can't see it, you're never going to do well. I understand you're new and you're frustrated, but leaving the same cut and paste comment on a bunch of photos isn't going to help you do that. Instead, why not ask for some critique on your own entry to help you understand what you can do better for next time. Many, many people will offer advice.
 05/23/2011 07:08:07 AM · #9
Thanks Kelli, btw I was just straight and I expressed my personal opinion on each photo i saw, that (for me) is out of subject. I always express my compliments as a great photo itself, but then the light is relative. Simply for me is not a sunset/surise moment.
 05/23/2011 07:13:42 AM · #10
Originally posted by danieletagliabue:
Thanks Kelli, btw I was just straight and I expressed my personal opinion on each photo i saw, that (for me) is out of subject. I always express my compliments as a great photo itself, but then the light is relative. Simply for me is not a sunset/surise moment.


No one is saying that you should not express your opinions and be honest....but the problem is that in the case of a photo like the one below, it is only possible to capture the light on a subject like this at sunrise or sunset.


While it IS possible to take a picture of the subject 'at 2pm' as your comment suggests, you cannot capture the soft shadows, the rich tones, the angle of the light, the details in the rocks below so we can see the intricate lines of the ground. Taking a picture 'at 2pm' would result in harsh lighting, washed out colors, and an generally uninteresting photo. Darnok picked the right time to be there (dusk/dawn) and the score garnered by the timing and composition are rewarded for it.

Message edited by author 2011-05-23 07:25:33.
 05/23/2011 07:23:32 AM · #11
...can't wait til we vote on the 100 meter challenge !
 05/23/2011 07:34:02 AM · #12
Originally posted by danieletagliabue:
Thanks Kelli, btw I was just straight and I expressed my personal opinion on each photo i saw, that (for me) is out of subject. I always express my compliments as a great photo itself, but then the light is relative. Simply for me is not a sunset/surise moment.

Is it perhaps a misunderstanding due to your English? The idea wasn't to capture the sunrise/sunset while not pointing the camera in that direction (for example, your reflection of the sunset off a window), though that's perfectly acceptable as well. It was simply to not face the sunrise/sunset, and most photographers would interpret that to be a challenge to take advantage of the low angle rays of light.

It seems like you've missed the point of the challenge?
 05/23/2011 07:47:20 AM · #13
thanks Bohemka and thanks Bassbone

I imagined a lot of points for the challenge, but in very short time the city I live in, gave me just a couple of opportunity. Unfortunately here the weather is so unpredictable that is very difficult to have a fantastic morning/evening pure light. And so I interpreted the challenge in a very basic way
 05/23/2011 07:54:09 AM · #14
Originally posted by danieletagliabue:
thanks Bohemka and thanks Bassbone

I imagined a lot of points for the challenge, but in very short time the city I live in, gave me just a couple of opportunity. Unfortunately here the weather is so unpredictable that is very difficult to have a fantastic morning/evening pure light. And so I interpreted the challenge in a very basic way

I can relate. This is part of the beauty of this site. You can see how others have interpreted challenges and use it to spark your own new ideas and interpretations.
 05/23/2011 09:04:11 AM · #15
Daniel, you left a similar post-challenge comment on my entry as well. As with the others, it was shot just prior to the sun going down, perhaps 30 minutes prior to dark. Kris's entry was clearly taken at about the same time and there's no way he could have gotten that light at 2 pm. I'm curious, what qualities were you expecting that would indicate a shot taken at that time of day?
 05/23/2011 09:52:40 AM · #16
again Yo, thanks for your reply and I have to say again that your photo is brilliant. btw, I have to say again that I do not have any proof/idea on how your photo can be associated to the challenge. Having say that, again brilliant photo.
 05/23/2011 10:14:52 AM · #17
The point of this challenge was to pick a subject that is opposite either a sunrise or sunset. To me, and apparently to others, that is warm light free study. You seem to be stuck on seeing either a sunrise or sunset rather than the effects there of on the subject. The golden warm light is key. It is on Steve's ( Yo_Spiff ) subject and it is on mine as well as others. I faced East with the sun setting to the West behind me. My subject was bathed in golden light. You would not get that sort of light at 2:00pm. 2:00 pm light is harsh and not warm at all and the sun is in an entirely different position in the sky. I purposely do not shoot from 10:00 am to 2:00 pm due to harsh light. Hope that helps.
 05/23/2011 10:16:47 AM · #18
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:
The challenge description ...take a photo during sunrise/sunset that did NOT consist of the sunrise/sunset itself.


im just guessing, but i think maybe derek said it best here and daniel may have missed it (bold and caps are mine)

(ETA: and what robert said as i was typing this as well)

Message edited by author 2011-05-23 10:18:27.
 05/23/2011 10:25:11 AM · #19
again, the Yo photo is brilliant, but for me it's just a face with a certain kind of light which can be sunset/sunrise or NOT. My personal basic interpretation is due to the city I live which dont give me so much chances because of the weather.
 05/23/2011 10:33:57 AM · #20
Originally posted by danieletagliabue:
again, the Yo photo is brilliant, but for me it's just a face with a certain kind of light which can be sunset/sunrise or NOT. My personal basic interpretation is due to the city I live which dont give me so much chances because of the weather.


I think the point you are missing is that Yo_spiff photo could NOT have been taken at any other time of day. My photo was of a wagon and mountains reflecting the sunset coming from the opposite direction, his was a face reflecting that light. What is the difference between a face reflecting the sunset or building and clouds(like the winning photo had. Those of us with experience in portrait work, know the difference between a photo taken in the middle of the day, and one taken either at sunrise or sunset. We don't need a time stamp to tell us.

Message edited by author 2011-05-23 10:34:24.
 05/23/2011 10:38:29 AM · #21
Originally posted by danieletagliabue:
again, the Yo photo is brilliant, but for me it's just a face with a certain kind of light which can be sunset/sunrise or NOT. My personal basic interpretation is due to the city I live which dont give me so much chances because of the weather.

There was one sunset during the week the challenge image could be shot. I live in a city. I don't know what else to say>>>>>>Throws hands up in air runs out of the room in severe frustration<<<<<<<
 05/23/2011 11:01:13 AM · #22
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without knowing anything about the challenge, can you tell me that this picture has been taken in sunset/sunrise time?

the right answer is NO. and It's NO for many others, either if you are a super professional photographer or just a innocent rookie like me.

Having said that, this photo itself is amazing.
Hope you get my point.
 05/23/2011 11:06:57 AM · #23
Originally posted by danieletagliabue:
//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=951802

without knowing anything about the challenge, can you tell me that this picture has been taken in sunset/sunrise time?

the right answer is NO. and It's NO for many others, either if you are a super professional photographer or just a innocent rookie like me.

Having said that, this photo itself is amazing.
Hope you get my point.


I'm glad you used mine as an example. It actually was taken at sunset, and other than the slight color in the sky, no it's not obvious that it was a sunset picture -- and it should have done much worse in the challenge. I was incredibly embarrassed after entering it at 11:57pm. I expected it to get slammed. And it did get many low votes.

You were completely right on this photo.

However, on the portraits you had listed:





it is incredibly obvious that they were taken at sunrise/sunset. You do not get that color of light during the middle of the day. A daytime shot would be much cooler temp -- more like this:



The color of the light changes throughout the day -- the warmest light being early in the day and before/at sunset.

Message edited by author 2011-05-23 11:18:19.
 05/23/2011 11:08:38 AM · #24
Originally posted by danieletagliabue:
//www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=951802

without knowing anything about the challenge, can you tell me that this picture has been taken in sunset/sunrise time?

the right answer is NO. and It's NO for many others, either if you are a super professional photographer or just a innocent rookie like me.

Having said that, this photo itself is amazing.
Hope you get my point.


trust me, i'm one of the least educated rookies you will come across here, but i do understand what everyone is trying to explain. in any other time of day, the light would not "fill" the subjects the way they have. it would be impossible to see the detail from the Heron shot you posted, or yo_spiff's image, if the photo were taken at noon. there would be shadows in the subject if the photo was taken at noon, that aren't there when taken at sunrise/sunset.
 05/23/2011 11:20:42 AM · #25
Here's an article that talks about time of day & photography:

light

Here's one more -- scroll down to the picture of the bridge and groom kissing in the gazebo. Notice that the light is very warm/orangish -- like in Yo_spiff's picture. Notice what it says in the caption:

"Sometimes the color of the light can make a dramatic statement, like the golden glow just before sunset. This shot at sunset clearly shows the color of the light. It is golden in color and, in this case, very direct, coming in from the side."

gazebo

Message edited by author 2011-05-23 11:24:11.
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