is the Sony F828 a DSLR or digicam?

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

03/28/2004 03:42:43 AM · #1

is the Sony DSC F828 a DSLR or just a digicam? I've seen them advertised as one or the other.

movieman

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

03/28/2004 03:49:01 AM · #2

Originally posted by eswik:

is the Sony DSC F828 a DSLR or just a digicam? I've seen them advertised as one or the other.

Pretty sure it's a DSLR just doen't have interchangable lenses.

But we'll someone who knows for sure answer.

jmsetzler

Sony Alpha a6000

Sony 16-50mm f/3.5-5.6 E-mount

03/28/2004 03:53:38 AM · #3

It's not an SLR.

General

Kodak Z7590

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

03/28/2004 04:24:14 AM · #4

E-10 and e20 by olympus are called DSLR, in other words fixed lens DSLR.

Whole concept is that one won't be able too see anything through view finder when shutter is open, reason being the basic design concept of slr , where mirror folds when shutter button is clicked

Message edited by author 2004-03-28 04:51:09.

KarenB

Canon EOS-70D

Canon EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM

03/28/2004 04:25:52 AM · #5

an SLR, digital or film - doesn't matter, has interchangeable lenses.
the E-20, Sony F828 etc are considered "prosumer SLR-like".
all others are considered "consumer point and shoot".

Message edited by author 2004-03-28 04:26:16.

General

Kodak Z7590

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

03/28/2004 04:39:50 AM · #6

At Steves Digicam E10 and E20 have been listed as SLR, even Creative Pro list them as SLR
List Of DSLR

faidoi

Pentax K10D

Pentax DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF

03/28/2004 04:43:49 AM · #7

New Prosumer models like:
Sony F828
Nikon CoolPix 8700
Olympus 8080 Zoom

will be compared with their DSLR cousins because of their 8 megapixels.

A digicam/prosumer is a camera with a video/movie mode and a DSLR doesn't.

Message edited by author 2004-03-28 05:10:00.

MikeO

Fujifilm x100

03/28/2004 04:52:17 AM · #8

Originally posted by KarenB:

an SLR, digital or film - doesn't matter, has interchangeable lenses.

Not true! I have a Mamiya 528TL which is an SLR but with a Fixed lens, its old around 1972 and I added a telephoto and a wide angle lens.

:-P

willem

Sony Alpha a6700

Sony E 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 OSS

03/28/2004 05:09:07 AM · #9

It is not an SLR. SLR is normally used for camera where the light coming throught the lens is reflected on an internal mirror, through a prism or mirrors, to the optical viewfinder. Most SLR's also have interchangeable lenses.

The Sony does not have this and is not a SLR.

The Sony has an electronic viewfinder, so achieves the same thing, just electronically (and probably a closer match in terms of % coverage to the final picture).

But who cares ? It is a capable camera and will allow you to take great pictures.

SLR and these "prosumer" digicams each have their advantages. But that can be a lengthy separate discussion.....

audioaltima

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

03/28/2004 11:09:05 AM · #10

As a few have mentioned before, camera's such as the Sony FXXX line, Nikon's 5700/8700, Canon's Pro 1, and probably a few other's I can't think of right now are considered to be SLR-like since what you see through the viewfinder is what's going into the lens. However, these camera's do this electronically by simply relaying the signal from the sensor to a tiny LCD screen in the viewfinder.

However, they are still not SLR camera's by the classic definition. They all lack the 'reflex' part of being an SLR system. There is no physical shutter and lens system that blocks light to the recording medium, and reflects light to the view finder optically. When the shutter is pressed the mirror and shutter have to physically move out of the way. This is not true in the SLR-like digitals. Shutter action is controlled electronically via the sensor only.

Each these systems has its advantages. For example, the SLR-like camera's have the advantage of being able to display a live histogram (since the sensor is always getting a full feed from the lens). However, this advantage will soon be passed along. There's been some talk of simply sucking off some of the light from the mirror (like the metering system already does) to generate a live histogram on a DSLR.

Anywho, I've now gone into rambling. Just remember that no matter what camera you have, you can always take awesome shots with it.

glimpses

Sony DSC-F707

03/28/2004 11:15:48 AM · #11

is the Sony F828 male or female?

Marjo

Canon EOS-7D

03/28/2004 11:32:39 AM · #12

Originally posted by glimpses:

is the Sony F828 male or female?

good one...

garlic

Sigma 15-30mm f/3.5-4.5 EX Aspherical DG DF for Canon

03/28/2004 12:18:01 PM · #13

Obviously not SLR.
"Compact swivel" (dpreview.com)

Pentax DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF

05/14/2004 12:52:46 AM · #14

Do DSLRS have an optical or digital viewfinder?

faidoi

Pentax K10D

05/14/2004 12:54:39 AM · #15

Originally posted by eswik:

Do DSLRS have an optical or digital viewfinder?

I thought that the image that you see in the viewfinder is the reflection off a mirror. What you see is what you get.

Message edited by author 2004-05-14 00:58:59.

Adrian Tung

05/14/2004 01:03:20 AM · #16

SLR = Single Lens Reflex

Single meaning there is only one optical path; Lens meaning this optical path goes through the lens; Reflex meaning a mirror/prism/similar device reflects this optical path from the lens towards the viewfinder.

So, in that sense, the E-10 and E-20 are SLR too. However, the F828 is not but do not take it as a deregatory (sp?) term. The F828, and many other prosumer cameras with EVF, are just another different class of cameras which should be placed neither below nor on top of SLR class. :D

:)atwl

Nikon AF Micro-Nikkor 60mm f2.8D

05/14/2004 01:50:53 AM · #17

correct me if I'm wrong[which i probably am], but I just thought that in a SLR, you see what you get in the viewfinder, and in DSLRs, you see what you get, but in digital form, hense Digital Single Lens Reflex..

Koriyama

Nikon D200

05/14/2004 02:46:50 AM · #18

Originally posted by eswik:

The digital in dslr refers to the digital recording medium only.

emorgan49

Olympus E-5

Olympus 50mm f/1.8 MF Normal Zuiko

05/14/2004 07:49:04 AM · #19

It must be a very nice camera none the less.

jjbeguin

coolhar

Canon PowerShot Pro 90 IS

05/14/2004 08:47:11 AM · #20

People should understand that SLR (Single Lens Reflex) is a particular design of viewfinder, and not a level of quality, in cameras. A DSLR is simply a digital camera that uses that type of viewfinder. The myth that you must use a Single Lens Reflex viewfinder to take quality pictures has been fostered by camera makers, and others, for decades; and has become deeply ingrained in photography's conventional wisdom. By building SLR into their better models they have convinced most users that anything not SLR is inferior. Indeed, we mistakenly use the term to describe a class of cameras, a sort of quality separator, to the extent of losing track of which cameras actually have that type of viewfinder, as in the case of the Olympus E-20. And advertisers can confuse us, implying a higher level of quality in a model (the Sony 828) by calling it a DSLR, or SLR-like, when it really is not.

Once fully developed EVF (Electronic View Finder) is an inherently better viewfinder design. It shouldn't be much longer until EVF technology improves to the point that SLR viewfinders are obselete, but there will be a ton of mythology to reverse before the old fashioned, mechanical technology that is SLR is finally buried. Just as digital is in the process of almost completely replacing film, EVF will replace SLR.

Ten years from now we will look back and say that digital cameras with SLR viewfinders were transitional models. But don't expect Canon and Nikon, et al, to hurry the exit of DSLR as long as buyers are snapping up Rebels and D70s as fast as they can make them.

Message edited by author 2004-05-14 08:50:31.

Adrian Tung

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 35-80mm 1:4-5.6

05/14/2004 09:54:00 AM · #21

Good post, coolhar!

:)atwl

dccloss

Nikon D70

05/14/2004 10:00:21 AM · #22

Does any of this really matter? As long as the camera puts out the quality images that you require, who cares what camera it is?

-Danielle