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03/22/2004 12:42:14 PM · #851 |
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
Arthur Schopenhauer (1788 - 1860)
The great masses of the people... will more easily fall victims to a great lie than to a small one.
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03/26/2004 11:14:39 AM · #852 |
The US president obviously is finding the lack of WMDs funny...
Full story
Seems a bit lacking in judgement really.
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03/26/2004 11:34:31 AM · #853 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
The US president obviously is finding the lack of WMDs funny...
Full story
Seems a bit lacking in judgement really. |
The Democratic nominee for US President obviously found the assassination of a US Vice-President funny...
Full story
Seems a bit lacking in judgement really
Ron |
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03/26/2004 12:00:13 PM · #854 |
Some "full story"...the article by the Drudge Report, if you want to call it that, is 6 lines long, 3 of which are devoted to Bush's antics, and gives no sources or details of where this was said and to whom.
Originally posted by RonB:
The Democratic nominee for US President obviously found the assassination of a US Vice-President funny...
Full story
Seems a bit lacking in judgement really
Ron |
Message edited by author 2004-03-26 12:01:59. |
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03/26/2004 12:08:24 PM · #855 |
Well, if ya don't like that one, how about this:
Kerry's 'joke' could haunt him
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03/26/2004 12:12:55 PM · #856 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Some "full story"...the article by the Drudge Report, if you want to call it that, is 6 lines long, 3 of which are devoted to Bush's antics, and gives no sources or details of where this was said and to whom. |
Once again, complain about the source to dismiss the content. The main technique of a magician is to divert attention away from what's really happening.
Ron
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03/26/2004 12:23:32 PM · #857 |
I could accuse you of the same, Ron...
The original post by Gordon was about what Bush did...not Kerry. But you choose to ignore that and given the fact that Kerry's actions have not sent anyone to war or to die, I think you are evading the issue.
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Some "full story"...the article by the Drudge Report, if you want to call it that, is 6 lines long, 3 of which are devoted to Bush's antics, and gives no sources or details of where this was said and to whom. |
Once again, complain about the source to dismiss the content. The main technique of a magician is to divert attention away from what's really happening.
Ron |
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03/26/2004 12:35:22 PM · #858 |
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Some "full story"...the article by the Drudge Report, if you want to call it that, is 6 lines long, 3 of which are devoted to Bush's antics, and gives no sources or details of where this was said and to whom. |
Once again, complain about the source to dismiss the content. The main technique of a magician is to divert attention away from what's really happening.
Ron |
Yes, it a very common tactic. Another good ruse is to post something similar but avoid the original issue.
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03/26/2004 12:40:28 PM · #859 |
You took the original topic and made it into something about bipartisan politics.
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Some "full story"...the article by the Drudge Report, if you want to call it that, is 6 lines long, 3 of which are devoted to Bush's antics, and gives no sources or details of where this was said and to whom. |
Once again, complain about the source to dismiss the content. The main technique of a magician is to divert attention away from what's really happening.
Ron |
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03/26/2004 12:46:25 PM · #860 |
While walking down the street one day, George "Dubya" Bush is shot and killed by a disgruntled NRA member. His soul arrives in heaven and he is met by St. Peter at the Pearly Gates. "Welcome to Heaven," says St. Peter. "Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem: We seldom know what to do with a Republicans in these parts, and the same goes for you. "No problem, just let me in; I'm a believer." says Dubya
"I'd like to just let you in, but I have orders from the Man Himself: He says you have to spend one day in Hell and one day in Heaven. Then you must choose where you'll live for eternity."
"But, I've already made up my mind; I want to be in Heaven."
"I'm sorry, but we have our rules." And with that Peter escorts him to an elevator and he goes down, down, down, all the way to Hell The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a lush golf course the sun is shining in a cloudless sky, the temperature perfect 72 degrees.
In the distance is a beautiful clubhouse. Standing in front of it his dad...and thousands of other Republicans who had helped him out over the years... Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, Jerry Falwell.... The whole of the "Right" was there...everyone laughing...happy...casually but expensively dressed.
They run to greet him, hug him, and reminisce about the good times they had getting rich at expense of the "suckers and peasants". They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster and caviar.
The Devil himself comes up to Bush with a frosty drink, "Have a Margarita and relax, Dubya!"
"Uh, I can't drink no more, I took a pledge," says Junior, dejectedly.
"This is Hell, son: you can drink and eat all you want and not worry, and it just gets better from there!"
Dubya takes the drink and finds himself liking the Devil, who he thinks is a really very friendly guy who tells funny jokes and pulls hilarious nasty pranks, kind of like a Yale Skull and Bones brother with real horns.
They are having such a great time that, before he realizes it, it's time to go. Everyone gives him a big hug and waves as Bush steps on the elevator and heads upward.
When the elevator door reopens, he is in Heaven again and St. Peter is waiting for him. "Now it's time to visit Heaven," the old man says, opening the gate.
So for 24 hours Bush is made to hang out with a bunch of honest, good-natured people who enjoy each other's company, talk about things other than money, and treat each other decently. Not a nasty prank or frat boy joke among them; no fancy country clubs and, while the food tastes great, it's not caviar or lobster. And these people are all poor, he doesn't see anybody he knows, and he isn't even treated like someone special!
Worst of all, to Dubya, Jesus turns out to be some kind of Jewish hippie with his endless 'peace' and 'do unto others' jive.
"Whoa," he says uncomfortably to himself, "Pat Robertson never prepared me for this!"
The day done, St. Peter returns and says, "Well, then, you've spent a day in Hell and a day in Heaven. Now choose where you want to live for eternity."
With the 'Jeopardy' theme playing softly in the background,Dubya reflects for a minute, then answers: "Well, I would never have thought I'd say this -- I mean, Heaven has been delightful and all but I really think I belong in Hell with my friends.
So Saint Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down, all the way to Hell.
The doors of the elevator open and he is in the middle of a barren scorched earth covered with garbage and toxic industrial waste...kind of like Houston. He is horrified to see all of his friends, dressed in rags and chained together, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags. They are groaning and moaning in pain,faces and hands black with grime. The Devil come over to Dubya and puts an arm around his shoulder.
"I don't understand," stammers a shocked Dubya, "Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and a clubhouse and drank and ate caviar... I drank booze. We screwed around and had a great time.
Now there's just a wasteland full of garbage and everybody looks miserable.
The Devil looks at him, smiles slyly, and purrs, "Yesterday we were campaigning; today you voted for us."
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03/26/2004 12:46:45 PM · #861 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
You took the original topic and made it into something about bipartisan politics. |
Remind me again, what was the original topic about? Oh yeah. what Bush did. That's not partisan is it.
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
I could accuse you of the same, Ron...
The original post by Gordon was about what Bush did...not Kerry. But you choose to ignore that and given the fact that Kerry's actions have not sent anyone to war or to die, I think you are evading the issue.
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Some "full story"...the article by the Drudge Report, if you want to call it that, is 6 lines long, 3 of which are devoted to Bush's antics, and gives no sources or details of where this was said and to whom. |
Once again, complain about the source to dismiss the content. The main technique of a magician is to divert attention away from what's really happening.
Ron |
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Nah. I didn't dispute either the source OR the contents of the link Gordon provided. The CONTENT indicated that Bush's joke "backfired", and said that the reason it "backfired" was because of Kerry's response - namely:
Originally posted by BBC:
Mr Bush's election challenger Senator John Kerry described the president's attitude as "stunningly cavalier".
"If George Bush thinks his deceptive rationale for going to war is a laughing matter, then he's even more out of touch than we thought," he said in a written statement. |
I merely provided counterpoint to show that those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
As for Kerry's actions not sending anyone to war or to die ( this is where YOU made a partisan point ), I point you, once again, to what his Commander said about him:
"“[T]he fabled and distinguished chief of naval operations,Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, told me — 30 years ago when he was still CNO —that during his own command of U.S. naval forces in Vietnam, just prior to his anointment as CNO, young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass,by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets.‘We had virtually to straitjacket him to keep him under control,’ the admiral said." Full Story
I guess that "civilian" deaths don't count if they can be attributed to Kerry?
Ron
Message edited by author 2004-03-26 12:47:57. |
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03/26/2004 12:51:17 PM · #862 |
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
You took the original topic and made it into something about bipartisan politics. |
Remind me again, what was the original topic about? Oh yeah. what Bush did. That's not partisan is it.
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The original topic was about your president making jokes about a war he recently started.
Partisan or not, it shows pretty poor judgement.
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03/26/2004 12:57:00 PM · #863 |
The hypocrisy of Kerry is downright palpable. He makes a big deal (and his campaign started the mudslinging) of slamming President Bush about everything he does - but we're not supposed to look at his record!
Ron, you da man - you took the words right out of my mouth . . .
PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULDN'T THROW STONES
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03/26/2004 01:07:18 PM · #864 |
Originally posted by kaycee:
PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULDN'T THROW STONES |
People who live in sand castles shouldn't pray for rain! |
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03/26/2004 01:19:03 PM · #865 |
| So partisan politics aside, what do you think about Bush's jokes? About Bush's actions at this correspondents dinner? Is this callous and insensitive to the plight of US soldiers in Iraq? |
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03/26/2004 01:24:32 PM · #866 |
Well, honestly, my take on it was that it was more in the vein of self-deprecating humor. He was really poking fun at himself by saying the things that the press either has said or wanted to say already.
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03/26/2004 01:27:35 PM · #867 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
So partisan politics aside, what do you think about Bush's jokes? About Bush's actions at this correspondents dinner? Is this callous and insensitive to the plight of US soldiers in Iraq? |
Bush's comments were stupid. He's basically just trying to appeal to liberals by making jokes about "Queer eye" show and Rumsfeld, hoping that he may win over a few undicided liberas, but that will never happen so why bother?
And about "not finding the WMDs, still looking, can't find them...". I don't think it's appropriate at all. Although I don't think he means anything bad by it, I'm sure the families of dead solders in Iraq could probably do without the joking about it.
Bush's political advisors are just out in left field. They are making him look like an idiot and are alienating his conservative core. He's history I think unless he does an about-face pretty quick. All of this pandering to Mexico, pandering to liberals, etc. isn't going to do a thing for him except turn off his core voters.
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03/26/2004 01:29:07 PM · #868 |
Originally posted by kaycee:
Well, honestly, my take on it was that it was more in the vein of self-deprecating humor. He was really poking fun at himself by saying the things that the press either has said or wanted to say already. |
Personally, I think self-deprecating humor would be more about falling off a segway or making mistakes pronouncing words. Making jokes about how you started a war based on a false or incorrect basis, seems a touch more than self-deprecating, unless the 'self' is the whole USA?
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03/26/2004 01:33:10 PM · #869 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
While walking down the street one day, George "Dubya" Bush is shot and killed by a disgruntled NRA member. His soul arrives in heaven and he is met by St. Peter at the Pearly Gates. "Welcome to Heaven," says St. Peter. "Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem: We seldom know what to do with a Republicans in these parts, and the same goes for you. "No problem, just let me in; I'm a believer." says Dubya
"I'd like to just let you in, but I have orders from the Man Himself: He says you have to spend one day in Hell and one day in Heaven. Then you must choose where you'll live for eternity."
"But, I've already made up my mind; I want to be in Heaven."
"I'm sorry, but we have our rules." And with that Peter escorts him to an elevator and he goes down, down, down, all the way to Hell The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a lush golf course the sun is shining in a cloudless sky, the temperature perfect 72 degrees.
In the distance is a beautiful clubhouse. Standing in front of it his dad...and thousands of other Republicans who had helped him out over the years... Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, Jerry Falwell.... The whole of the "Right" was there...everyone laughing...happy...casually but expensively dressed.
They run to greet him, hug him, and reminisce about the good times they had getting rich at expense of the "suckers and peasants". They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster and caviar.
The Devil himself comes up to Bush with a frosty drink, "Have a Margarita and relax, Dubya!"
"Uh, I can't drink no more, I took a pledge," says Junior, dejectedly.
"This is Hell, son: you can drink and eat all you want and not worry, and it just gets better from there!"
Dubya takes the drink and finds himself liking the Devil, who he thinks is a really very friendly guy who tells funny jokes and pulls hilarious nasty pranks, kind of like a Yale Skull and Bones brother with real horns.
They are having such a great time that, before he realizes it, it's time to go. Everyone gives him a big hug and waves as Bush steps on the elevator and heads upward.
When the elevator door reopens, he is in Heaven again and St. Peter is waiting for him. "Now it's time to visit Heaven," the old man says, opening the gate.
So for 24 hours Bush is made to hang out with a bunch of honest, good-natured people who enjoy each other's company, talk about things other than money, and treat each other decently. Not a nasty prank or frat boy joke among them; no fancy country clubs and, while the food tastes great, it's not caviar or lobster. And these people are all poor, he doesn't see anybody he knows, and he isn't even treated like someone special!
Worst of all, to Dubya, Jesus turns out to be some kind of Jewish hippie with his endless 'peace' and 'do unto others' jive.
"Whoa," he says uncomfortably to himself, "Pat Robertson never prepared me for this!"
The day done, St. Peter returns and says, "Well, then, you've spent a day in Hell and a day in Heaven. Now choose where you want to live for eternity."
With the 'Jeopardy' theme playing softly in the background,Dubya reflects for a minute, then answers: "Well, I would never have thought I'd say this -- I mean, Heaven has been delightful and all but I really think I belong in Hell with my friends.
So Saint Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down, all the way to Hell.
The doors of the elevator open and he is in the middle of a barren scorched earth covered with garbage and toxic industrial waste...kind of like Houston. He is horrified to see all of his friends, dressed in rags and chained together, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags. They are groaning and moaning in pain,faces and hands black with grime. The Devil come over to Dubya and puts an arm around his shoulder.
"I don't understand," stammers a shocked Dubya, "Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and a clubhouse and drank and ate caviar... I drank booze. We screwed around and had a great time.
Now there's just a wasteland full of garbage and everybody looks miserable.
The Devil looks at him, smiles slyly, and purrs, "Yesterday we were campaigning; today you voted for us." |
ROTFLOL
oh man that is perfect.. just perfect. |
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03/26/2004 01:36:30 PM · #870 |
Didja read the whole transcript? Or only what was force fed you by the Leftist News Network?
Text of Correspondence Dinner Speech
Most of it seemed pretty self-deprecating to me. But then, I'm not so uptight as it seems most of the left is. There are times that a laugh is needed to lighten things a bit. Kinda like folks who work in high-stress areas (Police Departments, ER's, etc.) find humor in things that would be apalling to the general population. Sometimes you just have to laugh at the situation or yourself to keep from caving in.
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03/26/2004 01:42:28 PM · #871 |
Yes, like I said - I think much of it was self-deprecating, like jokes about his staff or lack of erudition.
But again, avoiding the issue or talking about something else is obviously a good way to not appear uptight.
I know people like to try and break everything down in to nice, easily understandable boxes like 'left' or 'right' but the BBC is in the middle of long running accusations of being anti the current British 'left' wing government - so I think you are probably just confused about your boxes.
Or maybe it has nothing to do with bipartisan politics at all ? Maybe it was just entirely inappropriate, whether it was a republican or a democrat who made those sort of comments about a war they started ? Wouldn't that be a radical idea to give more than a passing thought to, before starting to decry the 'other guy' ?
Btw, in the midst of all this left wing and right wing nonsense, you do realise that Bush's main ally in the war in Iraq was a socialist (liberal) government and the most left wing serious party in the UK ?
Message edited by author 2004-03-26 13:48:09.
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03/26/2004 01:57:42 PM · #872 |
Or perhaps given that as the comments were about a war "he started" as you put it, it was entirely appropriate, and there are some who oppose who will take ANYTHING that comes from his mouth and try to make a mountain out of a molehill?
Forgive me, I'm not offended. Perhaps I'd feel differently were I among the 911 survivors (actually, technically I am) but I don't think so. I still cry easily when I hear songs or see footage of 911 - and my daughters and I have sent care packages overseas. We support our troops and will be happy to see them home. But, they signed on, and there is a job to do.
Personally, I'm not thrilled with the way he's handling some things - and I believe he's far from perfect - but this business of castigating the man for every word that proceeds from his mouth makes my stomach turn. It's ugly, its disrespectful, and it shows very little class in those who do it.
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03/26/2004 02:09:56 PM · #873 |
So what if GW takes a little verbal flack from his opposition? He signed on and he's got a job to do. It's not like he's the one who is fighting in Iraq.
Originally posted by kaycee:
Or perhaps given that as the comments were about a war "he started" as you put it, it was entirely appropriate, and there are some who oppose who will take ANYTHING that comes from his mouth and try to make a mountain out of a molehill?
Forgive me, I'm not offended. Perhaps I'd feel differently were I among the 911 survivors (actually, technically I am) but I don't think so. I still cry easily when I hear songs or see footage of 911 - and my daughters and I have sent care packages overseas. We support our troops and will be happy to see them home. But, they signed on, and there is a job to do.
Personally, I'm not thrilled with the way he's handling some things - and I believe he's far from perfect - but this business of castigating the man for every word that proceeds from his mouth makes my stomach turn. It's ugly, its disrespectful, and it shows very little class in those who do it. |
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03/26/2004 02:38:49 PM · #874 |
Originally posted by kaycee:
Or perhaps given that as the comments were about a war "he started" as you put it, |
I'm confused - who do you think started it then ? His dad ?
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03/26/2004 02:40:47 PM · #875 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
So what if GW takes a little verbal flack from his opposition? He signed on and he's got a job to do. It's not like he's the one who is fighting in Iraq. |
The Left-wing Mantra:
"Never pass up an opportunity to bash Bush. And, if an opportunity doesn't present itself, create one."
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