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03/24/2004 12:01:20 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by Konador:
Originally posted by orussell:
While we're at it what makes this entry ordinary or average?  |
Dunno, I gave it 10 :) |
Thanks Ben.
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03/24/2004 12:03:22 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by heida:
Originally posted by TerryGee:
OK I am dying to hear some opinions now that this challenge is over.
 This was my entry. It scored 4.797 30% It got an amazing 12 ones and 18 twos.
It was my most disappointing finish on a personal favorite photo.
I was told by several of the commenters that it didn't meet the challenge.
Was this challenge that black & white?
Read this description again-
Details: Photograph a subject where parallel lines provide or strengthen the composition of the image.
It does not say photograph a bunch of straight lines that are parallel.
Excuse the bad line drawing job here, it was late at night.
These two horses are standing totally parallel. The lines strengthen this photo completely.
What would the photo be if the second horse was in a different stance?
Am I seeing something that no one else is?
My daughter was the one to see this photo and tell me to enter it. So I am not the only one to see it.
I would love to hear some opinions on this one. |
Terry this photo was awesome and I think it fits the challenge perfectly, some people just see things black and white, I gave it a 10 |
What may of helped would be greater DOF to include the second horse. This would make the lined up heads more prominent. When looking at an image one tends to concentrate on the parts in focus only.
need grammar/spell check before posting
[edit]Message edited by author 2004-03-24 12:04:27. |
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03/24/2004 12:09:40 PM · #28 |
Okay, here's mine that got several "not parallel" comments. Also quite a few commented on the horizontal lines broken in the center - I know I should have taken this against a solid background - but I chose a white 6 panel door - so there was no line in between the legs. At any rate, while not a top notch photo, I felt it clearly met the challenge. I'm okay with my position 211/329 (36%) it's about my average here. But my main complaint is that the seams in the stockings (while perhaps not perfectly straight) are definitely PARALLEL LINES.
edited to say: PS - they're my legs not bad for a 42 year old I think, LOL
Message edited by author 2004-03-24 12:10:44.
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03/24/2004 12:16:29 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by kaycee:
Okay, here's mine that got several "not parallel" comments. Also quite a few commented on the horizontal lines broken in the center - I know I should have taken this against a solid background - but I chose a white 6 panel door - so there was no line in between the legs. At any rate, while not a top notch photo, I felt it clearly met the challenge. I'm okay with my position 211/329 (36%) it's about my average here. But my main complaint is that the seams in the stockings (while perhaps not perfectly straight) are definitely PARALLEL LINES.
edited to say: PS - they're my legs not bad for a 42 year old I think, LOL |
To me the lines of the stockings follow the line of the respective leg. And to me it would be more symetrical than parallel. Aside from that the focus is a little soft. Great legs none the less. ;)
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03/24/2004 12:37:12 PM · #30 |
My point in this thread was to once again try to show everyone what tends to happen at this particular site.
It does not seem to happen at other sites or at any of the three photography clubs I am a part of.
People here put so much emphasis on the challenge that they forget about what good photography and art is.
I don't want to point out any photos in particular, but I saw many that were so awful that scored higher than mine it is becoming a real joke to even be here. A photo of the blinds, or pieces of paper or other things scored better just because there are lines! What's the deal people?
The challenge should be a guide line. I think maybe they need to have broader subjects or something.
If I am being given 1 2 and 3's on a good photo then it's just useless.
I totally understand the challenges. I also understand what photography is all about. it is documenting a moment in time. It is creating something that you want to remember something by. It is art.
Take a look at many of the photos in these challenges. Are they really about photography?
I'm beginning to wonder.
I'm beginning to think you definitely grow out of a site like this......it's ashame though.
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03/24/2004 12:52:43 PM · #31 |
I don't understand this... Terry, I really liked your photo, but I think I only gave it a 6, which is higher than I would normally score a photo that doesn't really fit the challenge. I saw the "lines" of the horses and I appreciated that, but I still don't think it really fit the challenge. That being said, I loved the photo. I think if it was a free study I would have scored it a 9 or maybe even a 10. But I think the purpose of these specific challenges is to create images that express a specific idea, and our voting has to reflect whether or not we feel you expressed that idea. I vote according to whether or not I like the photo and if it fits the challenge. I don't think I'm closed minded at all, but these are photographic "assignments" so to speak, and if your entry doesn't match the assignment in most peoples eyes it will score low. But you can't blame the voters for not "getting" your photo. If you want it to score high, maybe you should make it easier for us to "get". I think your photo belonged more in the free study where I could have given it the high score it deserved.
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03/24/2004 01:09:52 PM · #32 |
My problem, from not just mine, but more so looking at other people's entries: I think the voters are lazy. They will give an OK photo a great score cause the challenge theme smacks em so hard in the head the floor moves, yet they will give a great photo a crappy score because it requires work or more than 1/4 a second to figuer out how it meets the challenge.
I threw out 5 other photographs and chose my entry because it met the challenge and IMO was eye catching.
yet I got 33 scores <= 3 from people too stupid to figuer out it met the challenge or out trolling.
While I think the top 20 are probably dead on, after that it trails off and I can't believe some of the photos that beat me.
Maybe I'm just biter!!!
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03/24/2004 01:17:54 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by TerryGee:
My point in this thread was to once again try to show everyone what tends to happen at this particular site.
It does not seem to happen at other sites or at any of the three photography clubs I am a part of.
People here put so much emphasis on the challenge that they forget about what good photography and art is.
I don't want to point out any photos in particular, but I saw many that were so awful that scored higher than mine it is becoming a real joke to even be here. A photo of the blinds, or pieces of paper or other things scored better just because there are lines! What's the deal people?
The challenge should be a guide line. I think maybe they need to have broader subjects or something.
If I am being given 1 2 and 3's on a good photo then it's just useless.
I totally understand the challenges. I also understand what photography is all about. it is documenting a moment in time. It is creating something that you want to remember something by. It is art.
Take a look at many of the photos in these challenges. Are they really about photography?
I'm beginning to wonder.
I'm beginning to think you definitely grow out of a site like this......it's ashame though. |
Yup - from what I can tell you also grow out of entering photography contests in general - once you get sure enough of yourself that you don't need others to tell you if you are good or not.
The member's challenge isn't often quite so silly, but this is just a popular vote on the meaning of the challenge. I haven't seen many instances where the most obvious interpretation hasn't won, when its been adequately shot. |
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03/24/2004 01:25:27 PM · #34 |
Why is everyone complaining about getting low scores for?
Someone has to win, someone has to lose.
Maybe people just didn't like your picture as much as you like it!
I've only been coming here for about two weeks and all I've seen is people bitching about how people vote and how their photo should have done better and how there are too many sunsets, cats, babies etc....
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03/24/2004 01:25:32 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by TerryGee:
The challenge should be a guide line. |
The problem is that the rules indicate differently.
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03/24/2004 01:28:01 PM · #36 |
Russell, I really liked your photograph, but I scored it a 6 because I didn't feel that the parallel lines were what made the composition strong. I do see "THE TWO HUGE FREAKING MATCHING COLUMNS" and I think it fits the challenge. But I think the perspective and the texture of the shot are what make it strong. I think the fact that it has parallel lines is auxillary, really.
But that's my opinion.
I am not lazy or stupid (at least I don't think I am...)
I won't give a photo I think sucks a great score just because it fits the challenge, and I won't give a stellar photo a 10 if it doesn't fit the challenge at all.
I too am always amazed at what photos beat mine in the final results. I think what happens is that the really amazing photos end up in front, the really lousy ones end up in the back, and the just "good" photos end up in the middle almost arbitrarily.
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03/24/2004 01:37:49 PM · #37 |
I think these challenges would benefit a lot from a message following every challenge statement encouraging voters and submitters to be open-minded about what can fall under what is actually a much wider field of focus than many voters recognize. Honestly, if Da Vinci had gone by "Just paint my picture," would Mona be that much of a big whoop?
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03/24/2004 01:48:47 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Originally posted by TerryGee:
The challenge should be a guide line. |
The problem is that the rules indicate differently. |
yup "While voting, users are asked to keep in highest consideration the topic of the challenge and base their rating accordingly."
That's maybe why you see more consideration given here to the theme than say at a local club - the theme is the point here, not really the photography so much. |
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03/24/2004 01:50:02 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by kellian:
I didn't feel that the parallel lines were what made the composition strong |
I've got no problems with that, I guess I'm just being a whiner, and complaining more about the people who scored me a 2 because they said it didn't fit the challenge. Your comments are the ones I wish I got more of, they make me think and let me understand my score better.
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03/24/2004 02:05:57 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by Malokata:
I think these challenges would benefit a lot from a message following every challenge statement encouraging voters and submitters to be open-minded about what can fall under what is actually a much wider field of focus than many voters recognize. Honestly, if Da Vinci had gone by "Just paint my picture," would Mona be that much of a big whoop?
Martin |
open-minded shmopen-minded, I say close your minds as much as possible. This website is a game for me, and I'm trying to win. If I know exactly what the voters want to see, then that's exactly what I'm going to try to produce. I'm not here to learn, teach, expand, make money, or anything else .... I just love the game.
i used to go to another picture post website (no need to mention it in case you frequent it) and the complaints there were the exact opposite. every single photo submitted was praised for it's artist merit, and breaking the rules, and abstract perspective, blah, blah, blah. Some pictures just stink. in fact 99% of my pictures stink, but that 1% is why i love it. i wouldn't get too bend out of shape if your picture doesn't do well ... we're just playing a game ... and every week we get to try again from scratch :)
ps ... if mona was submitted here, i'd give it a 2 |
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03/24/2004 02:18:29 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by Malokata:
Honestly, if Da Vinci had gone by "Just paint my picture," would Mona be that much of a big whoop?
Martin |
If Da Vinci had been commissioned to paint a picture where parallel lines provided the strength of the composition and had presented the Mona Lisa, would it have wound up in a trash heap somewhere? :)
(Art historians, feel free bash this analogy to bits...) |
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03/24/2004 02:44:34 PM · #42 |
Interesting discussion...
Is the horses image good? Absolutely.
Composition, lighting and framing are great. It is a nice duotone.
Does this image meet the challenge? Debatable...
In my opinion it does so brilliantly. The way it does it given the parallel nature between the focused main subject and soft focused background horse is pure photographic genius. It is the most creative of the challenge.
Does it deserve the low score? No
That having been said, it is a well known fact that being to creative with your interpretation of a challenge theme dooms a good image. At this site the challenge theme is deemed equally as important as the technical and photographic quality of the image and voters generally take a very literal view of the theme. That is just how things work.
Don't take it too personally and don't take scores too seriously. Your picture will still be good long after this challenge is forgotten.
Message edited by author 2004-03-24 14:48:15.
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03/24/2004 02:44:39 PM · #43 |
I have your photo a 6.
I think that like the last poster said... it is a game. People give 1's, 2's, and 3's, to very fine photos, they give good scores to terrible photos. They don't care, and they don't take it seriously. I submitted this one, and got over 50 votes a 3 or less...
 in the 48% group. It's an average photograph in this fine contest. I give. It's a game I don't understand.
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03/24/2004 02:46:52 PM · #44 |
Accidentally resubmited my original post. My mistake... sorry
Message edited by author 2004-03-24 15:52:20.
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03/24/2004 03:04:08 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by sn4psh07:
But if you can't understand that, then maybe you can help me understand my little dilemma. I have so far won one ribbon, and it was with a shot that I did not particularly like -- I only entered it because I thought that it might do okay on DPC. As it turns out my lowest scoring shot is one of my favourite shots as it achieved everything that I wanted it to. However my second highest scoring shots (the one that ribboned) was in my opinion just a very bland and boring shot. |
I try to vote on all the pics - I learn things by observation. I also learn things after a challenge is over. Usually I agree withthe top finishers ina challenge. They may not be my 10's, but generally deserve high finishes. However, in the Off Screen challenge, my voting in no way agreed with the top finishers. I had voted some of the top 10 as 1 or 2, and 2 i thought didn't fit the challenge well.
So with parallel lines i got obvious. Did much better. In orange, i did not expect to do well, but am tanking. If not for an attempt in PS to fix one thing (noise) and hence screwed up another (focus)I might have done better. Too few comments to be sure if that is why i am at 3.6, but likley is the cuprit. Oh well, live and learn.
As to the horse pic in quesion, i think if both horses were to be in equal focus, equal emphasis, then it would have scored much higher. |
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03/24/2004 03:06:44 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by f0rTyLeGz:
It's a game I don't understand. |
You've submitted 4 photo's of the sky which have scored below average. That doesn't mean they aren't great photo's, but it does mean perhaps photo's of the sky don't do so well here. That's about all there is to understand.
ps ... i gave your photo a 5, which is what the majority gave you. Just because I play the challenges like I would play a game, doesn't mean I give low scores on purpose, or that I don't care, or that I don't take it seriously. |
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03/24/2004 06:47:08 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by hopper:
Originally posted by f0rTyLeGz:
It's a game I don't understand. |
You've submitted 4 photo's of the sky which have scored below average. That doesn't mean they aren't great photo's, but it does mean perhaps photo's of the sky don't do so well here. That's about all there is to understand.
ps ... i gave your photo a 5, which is what the majority gave you. Just because I play the challenges like I would play a game, doesn't mean I give low scores on purpose, or that I don't care, or that I don't take it seriously. |
Oh, if 1 in 6 think it's a poor photograph in a contest where parallel lines should enhance the subject you have to wonder.
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03/24/2004 07:04:54 PM · #48 |
Terry,
I LOVED your photo! When I opened it I immediately saw the parallel and (as my comment on it says) thought it was perfect. (I gave it an 8.)
*sighs* People just don't take enough time to consider things sometimes. It really should have done better!
Message edited by author 2004-03-24 19:07:34.
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03/24/2004 07:07:17 PM · #49 |
Fits the challenge and definitely a fine picture. Gave it a "10". |
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03/24/2004 07:46:58 PM · #50 |
Terry, I'm one of those who questioned whether the photo fitted the challenge, but I gave it a decent score anyway. I'm sure it would have done much better in the free study challenge, but I'm still surprised that it scored as low as it did.
As for the question of depth of field, I feel you got it right. Don't bother too much about the score, there seems to be a general agreement here that it is an above average photo and that's what really matters.
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in the 48% group. It's an average photograph in this fine contest. I give. It's a game I don't understand.
