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02/23/2011 04:28:00 PM · #27

Originally posted by mycelium:

Originally posted by ErinKirsten:
For me, it seems it would made sense that you can't vote on your own teams entries and that the opposing teams entries would be intermingled with all others (to keep anonymity); however, when you cast your vote it does not count.

I thought that was how it was done already, except for the "not count" part.

Correct, that's how it has been done. But the fear has been that all the photos get marked down because they may be from the opposing team. I do remember scores being fairly harsh during that time, for that reason or not, and people love a good conspiracy theory, so...

ambaker

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02/23/2011 06:03:31 PM · #28

I sit here hardly knowing what to say....

First people thought other people were voting their friend's images up, so that was eliminated.
Now people are worried that they may be voting their competitor's images down, so maybe we should eliminate that.
If that is eliminated, will people vote higher on the remaining images in order to lower the percentile of the opposing teams?
How much energy are people willing to spend in the pursuit of a virtual title, in a virtual league, for virtual ribbons?

I hereby offer the final totally absurd solution. Nobody gets to vote for anything, everybody ties, everybody gets to say they came in first, nobody is hurt. The only thing that would be business as usual, would be that nobody would be happy about it.

bspurgeon

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Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

02/23/2011 06:08:01 PM · #29

Originally posted by ambaker:

I hereby offer the final totally absurd solution. Nobody gets to vote for anything, everybody ties, everybody gets to say they came in first, nobody is hurt. The only thing that would be business as usual, would be that nobody would be happy about it.

Didn't you win DPL2?

vawendy

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Sony FE 200-600mm f/5.6-6.3 G OSS

02/23/2011 06:16:17 PM · #30

Voting is what it is. Do I think there were any cheaters? Yes. Do I think they're in the minority? Yes. Do I think it's worth changing it? No.

Not voting on your teammates entries was a good decision. Even for the people who think they could be entirely unbiased, they have seen the their teams photos for a longer time, which gives a little bit of an advantage. It's good not to vote on your own.

I think the vast majority of people can vote fairly.

Was there a difference in voting last time? Yes. Was it signification? Actually, I think so. But there was also a large influx of people. So how can we say the pattern is different when there was a large number of different voters?

Keep it the same.

Do it again.

Change the way the teams are seeded. Have the top seed play the second seed in the last round. Not the first round. Have a wildcard spot or two.

ambaker

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02/23/2011 06:22:27 PM · #31

Originally posted by bspurgeon:

Originally posted by ambaker:

I hereby offer the final totally absurd solution. Nobody gets to vote for anything, everybody ties, everybody gets to say they came in first, nobody is hurt. The only thing that would be business as usual, would be that nobody would be happy about it.

Didn't you win DPL2?

I was on the Division 2 winning team. I hardly won it, check my scores... And the dirty, ugly, secret truth is I liked it!

However I probably should have disclosed that. I also did not friend vote, vote people down, and as a matter of fact rarely vote on a challenge that I enter. DPL or no DPL.

That being said, if I am not on a winning team in the next DPL (providing there is one), then you are all a bunch of cheating coniving sons a guns, and I will need new rules immediately. ;-)

bspurgeon

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Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

02/23/2011 06:28:11 PM · #32

Originally posted by ambaker:

Originally posted by bspurgeon:

Originally posted by ambaker:

I hereby offer the final totally absurd solution. Nobody gets to vote for anything, everybody ties, everybody gets to say they came in first, nobody is hurt. The only thing that would be business as usual, would be that nobody would be happy about it.

Didn't you win DPL2?

I was on the Division 2 winning team. And the dirty, ugly, secret truth is I liked it!

Just giving you a hard time Alex! Yes, you will be on the winning team for DPL3, wouldn't be the same without you.

FourPointX

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02/23/2011 06:43:01 PM · #33

Originally posted by vawendy:

...Change the way the teams are seeded. Have the top seed play the second seed in the last round. Not the first round. Have a wildcard spot or two.

bohemka

Sigma 12-24mm f/4.5-5.6 EX Aspherical DG HSM for Nikon

02/23/2011 06:55:40 PM · #34

Originally posted by ambaker:

To be honest I think this discussion is more about how to not scare off non-DPLers. The DPL worked out fine, as the best images still won. The numerical score isn't important. But if you're not in DPL it sucks to watch your score get hammered as the rest vote harshly in the competitive melee. Numerous people have said they'd avoid DPC during the next DPL and that ain't a positive thing.

kawesttex

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02/23/2011 07:46:09 PM · #35

Well just change the voting that when a DPL participant votes there score is automatically bumped up by 1. So if they vote a 5, a 6 is registered. :-)

[whisper] Don't tell them that is being done though. [/whisper]

Sirashley

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02/23/2011 11:08:53 PM · #36

The good that DPL brings this website far out ways the bad... Ultimately, I used the DPL to learn from the better photographers on my team. It wasn't about scoring or winning... In fact, here is the original thread I started...

//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=984935

With that said, there's allot of people out here, myself included, who don't care about winning, scoring, or voting. We care about new techniques, education, and comradery. We care about the comments we get from people, good or bad, that help us to get better. The DPL really helps facilitate all of that, as it brings out some of the best photographers on this website as well as increases participation. Anyway, its just my two cents, but I think this site could reach new levels if it were willing to make the DPL a twice-a-year event with a concrete schedule.

RainMotorsports

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Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G VR

02/23/2011 11:13:44 PM · #37

Originally posted by bohemka:

Meh just make every challenge an expert editing or a best of and all the regular images will get voted poorly anyways. I loved the first DPL and i never saw anything bad in voting. I was not around for the second DPL so not sure how well it went. Would be interesting to compare DPL voting averages versus the rest for a user. It wont be 100% indicative of anything, but it could show something.

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02/24/2011 05:03:15 AM · #38

Thanks to those that have posted and made your feelings public.
I (and I'm sure many others) would love to hear from some of the other more experienced and respected members on this site.
Am I correct in saying that on the whole - DPL was a good thing for DPC?

bohemka

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02/24/2011 05:10:17 AM · #39

Originally posted by Sirashley:

Anyway, its just my two cents, but I think this site could reach new levels if it were willing to make the DPL a twice-a-year event with a concrete schedule.

I agree that it is a big deal for the site, and I agree with Jeffrey as well. Personally, I pushed myself harder and my photography improved quite a bit. And that's not even mentioning the camaraderie part, which is still ongoing with my teammates.

And the DPL is a marketing tool as well. Members got friends to join to fill out teams and get involved. If it became a regular thing it would gain traction with word of mouth as well.

That said I'm not a respected member, so sorry to disappoint, Stephen. ;)

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02/24/2011 05:19:47 AM · #40

Originally posted by bohemka:

That said I'm not a respected member, so sorry to disappoint, Stephen. ;)

I had a feeling my wording would be highlighted by someone... lets try again:

I (and I'm sure many others) would love to hear more thoughts from other members as well as someone from the SC.

spiritualspatula

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

02/24/2011 07:23:03 AM · #41

I liked participating in the DPL- it was enjoyable and forced me into entering challenges, and more importantly, making conscious efforts to enter instead of entering when an idea happened to strike me.
For voting, I found it no harder than a typical FS. Voting is always harder anytime there are lots more entries, and while I think voting was harsher during DPL, it wasn't so much to do with troll voting so much as increased competition. I've seen the same thing in FS, as well as really popular challenges, and the constant is simply high numbers of entries.
The camaraderie was really nice, and everything was a lot more active. I could see it being frustrating for non DPL people to navigate the forums, what with all the DPL related threads, but I don't see that as a huge deal.

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02/24/2011 08:57:22 AM · #42

We know SC are watching these forum posts... so when are you going to put us out of our missery and let us know when the next one is starting... seems like the members here want another one and if it is good for the site... then why not?

skewsme

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02/24/2011 10:07:34 AM · #43

indeedydoody!

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02/25/2011 09:33:11 AM · #44

I'm determined to not this thread die...
SC or

langdon - what are your plans about the next DPL?

MAK

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02/25/2011 10:23:38 AM · #45

A new DPL season would definitely get me back on this site active again.. only this time I would JOIN a team instead of STARTING one.

Come on! Get it sorted!

03/01/2011 09:55:56 AM · #46

Ok itâ��s been a few days and no feedback from SC yet...
Can we have an answer please gentlemen / ladies?
Seems like this site could do with something like this again to boost participation and interest.

citymars

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03/01/2011 10:02:05 AM · #47

Originally posted by Silent-Shooter:

I'm determined to not this thread die...

You've been here less than a month; calm down.

BuddyBaum

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03/01/2011 10:22:29 AM · #48

Originally posted by citymars:

Originally posted by Silent-Shooter:
I'm determined to not this thread die...

You've been here less than a month; calm down.

Registered: Feb. 2nd 2010

Actually a little over a year :-)

Sirashley

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03/01/2011 10:31:05 AM · #49

I'm giving the SC the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps the DPL makes their lives allot harder, who knows?.. Maybe its allot more work for them, or perhaps they are just ironing out the kinks from last time. Or maybe, they're putting together another headhunt like they did last year before the DPL :P

Anyway, I just wish they could do something concrete... Like every April/October would be DPL time. That way we wouldn't all be in suspense and would have something to look forward to.

Message edited by author 2011-03-01 10:49:07.