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05/28/2010 09:29:53 AM · #1 |
A charity group I am involved with which supports the Sudanese "Lost Boys" wants to have a photo exhibit next Mother's Day. The idea is to photograph the local Sudanese mothers and their children. Professional photographers and experienced "amateurs" would be invited to use their own creative liscence to create a portrait, studio or otherwise.
But... in an attempt to protect the vulnerable young women, many arriving from Africa as new wives, (and also the organizers want:
1. The photographer to give up all rights to the photos, never display or use them for their own purpose after the show.
2. To hand over files so the charity can print the pictues themselves (save money) and mount them in "donated" frames.
3. The final portrait, just one, would be given to the woman at the end of the one day show on Mothers day.
4. Each photographer would be expected to do FIVE family portraits in the space of a morning.
Am I crazy to think no photographer in his/her right mind would do this?
Can you think of an alternative model? I could be such a great show and an interesting opportunity for both the photographers and the mothers. Many are pregnant so newborn pictures would be nice. Several have identical twins. A couple have their own eldery mothers in the country.
Would anyone be interested in joining the project (as is or with a dfferent plan)? This is in the Boston, US area.
Ellen |
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05/28/2010 05:34:39 PM · #2 |
| I guess I ws right - no photographers interested. |
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05/28/2010 10:49:30 PM · #3 |
The problem that some of us have is the whole rights thing. Most of these orgs don't have a clue what that means to tell a photographer. If they'd do a little research they'd find they'd be much better off going at it in such a manner as to say that the images may not be used in any commercial manner, but to tell a photog that an image that he/she might get, that is potentially one of their best images, cannot be used in their own portfolio is patently absurd.
I simply won't shoot under those conditions.
I do a lot of pro bono work for charity orgs, and am very selective about how I use images from these events, but I retain rights to my images to be used in my portfolio in selected applications. If that doesn't suit, okay, find someone else.
Message edited by author 2010-05-28 22:50:12.
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05/29/2010 06:35:48 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
The problem that some of us have is the whole rights thing. Most of these orgs don't have a clue what that means to tell a photographer. If they'd do a little research they'd find they'd be much better off going at it in such a manner as to say that the images may not be used in any commercial manner, but to tell a photog that an image that he/she might get, that is potentially one of their best images, cannot be used in their own portfolio is patently absurd.
I simply won't shoot under those conditions.
I do a lot of pro bono work for charity orgs, and am very selective about how I use images from these events, but I retain rights to my images to be used in my portfolio in selected applications. If that doesn't suit, okay, find someone else. |
I think almost all, if not all, photographers will have a problem with #1, as already discussed by  NikonJeb. #2 may be an issue for most as well, because no one wants to spend a lot of time and effort on an image just to have it printed at an inexpensive place with poor print quality (or put in an ugly frame, for that matter), as the end result with reflect poorly on their skills. On the other hand the cost of an 8x10 to 8x12 print is not all that high ($2-3 at mpix, for example), and some/many photographers may be willing to donate several prints in order to keep printing quality under their control. #3 and #4 seem OK. |
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05/29/2010 11:01:25 AM · #5 |
#1 is going to be a big problem, rising in proportion to experience of the photographer.
I'm confused by the premise as well...they want to take pictures of intact families/mothers and sell them to help boys without mothers...on Mother's Day? Almost seems a bit like a cruel reminder. |
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05/29/2010 11:11:25 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by L2:
#1 is going to be a big problem, rising in proportion to experience of the photographer.
I'm confused by the premise as well...they want to take pictures of intact families/mothers and sell them to help boys without mothers...on Mother's Day? Almost seems a bit like a cruel reminder. |
I didn't get sell anywhere.....she said exhibit, and a portrait given at the end.
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05/29/2010 11:20:31 AM · #7 |
FWIW, our church did a similar thing for the neighborhood. It's an older church, and a poor neighborhood, so we thought Christmas family portraits would be nice. We ran from 9:30 to 3:00, a family every fifteen minutes. The photogs would take a few shots, select the one they were most happy with, and print them on the spot while the people waited. We had a continental breakfast for all, and it was an uplifting day in general. The recipients were pleased and grateful, and it was fun for us photogs.
Here's the wonderful part.....
We chatted and got to know some of our neighbors a little through this. This young lady, Dawn, showed up with her Dad late morning, so I shot this one for them. Dawn came back later with her sister and her nephew so that they would have a picture of Dawn with the baby. While we waited for that print to be done, I talked to Dawn, and just by chance she happened to mention that she was 22......and that this portrait was the first time that she and her Dad had ever had their portrait done together.
That's just one of those moments that make life something really special, huh?
Message edited by author 2010-05-29 11:21:28.
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05/29/2010 11:20:35 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by L2:
#1 is going to be a big problem, rising in proportion to experience of the photographer.
I'm confused by the premise as well...they want to take pictures of intact families/mothers and sell them to help boys without mothers...on Mother's Day? Almost seems a bit like a cruel reminder. |
I didn't get sell anywhere.....she said exhibit, and a portrait given at the end. |
Still! |
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05/29/2010 04:07:19 PM · #9 |
| Thank you all -I was looking for some language to explain the photographers view to the organizers who think a portrait begins and ends with the shutter click. |
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