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05/25/2010 02:46:50 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by tate:
To get all the way to 10 (as an average) is impossible. Literally, getting an 8 as a final score is statistically as likely as getting struck by lightning â€Â¦ I wrote that so it must be true ;) |
I counted it. There are 44 photos getting 8 since 2002 and Langdon's photo has the highest score 8.6. |
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05/25/2010 07:06:15 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by JustCaree:
Maybe ill just enter for me and not worry about the score LOL and umm whats the brown?? |
If you keep that attitude you'll be just fine. Just enter the shot you really like.
I feel this would have done very well in the current missed focus challenge  |
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05/26/2010 04:28:26 AM · #28 |
Yeah I wish I could of entered it.. its an old fave though... someone said they wanted to see some of mine so I posted a few of my favorites.... so it didnt qualify! But thanks! Its one of my faves!
Originally posted by FourPoint7:
Originally posted by JustCaree:
Maybe ill just enter for me and not worry about the score LOL and umm whats the brown?? |
If you keep that attitude you'll be just fine. Just enter the shot you really like.
I feel this would have done very well in the current missed focus challenge |
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05/26/2010 12:21:58 PM · #29 |
The comments and votes can seem very harsh here, as long as you see it as personal.
I like to think of the feed back as if I had put up my photograph at a juried exhibition at a gallery or the county fair. Now you get to follow strangers around as they look at your work, and you get to eavesdrop as they talk with their friends about what they like and don't like in the photograph. Some people will like your work, some will prefer others. Some people will have good reasons, some will chose their opinion on a lark. Some love puppies, some hate them.
No matter how shallow or deep the reasoning, you can gain insight into how others see your work, as long as you don't let the critics slow you down, or the praise singers lead you in a direction you don't want to go, understanding the reaction your images elicit can only be a good thing. The ribbons are virtual, the importance of scoring well, doubly so. |
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05/26/2010 01:32:48 PM · #30 |
well said!
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
The comments and votes can seem very harsh here, as long as you see it as personal.
I like to think of the feed back as if I had put up my photograph at a juried exhibition at a gallery or the county fair. Now you get to follow strangers around as they look at your work, and you get to eavesdrop as they talk with their friends about what they like and don't like in the photograph. Some people will like your work, some will prefer others. Some people will have good reasons, some will chose their opinion on a lark. Some love puppies, some hate them.
No matter how shallow or deep the reasoning, you can gain insight into how others see your work, as long as you don't let the critics slow you down, or the praise singers lead you in a direction you don't want to go, understanding the reaction your images elicit can only be a good thing. The ribbons are virtual, the importance of scoring well, doubly so. |
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05/26/2010 02:10:19 PM · #31 |
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05/26/2010 02:48:26 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by ambaker:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
The "Brown Ribbon" is the unofficial award for the last-place photo in any challenge. You can organize my challenge results by percentile and look at the last few pages for a variety of examples ... :-) |
Or you can go to the other two "masters of Brown",  Whiterook and Charliebaker.
R. |
I think Whiterook must hold some sort of record for this image: 
"Place: 247 out of 246" ??!! |
Except that's one of Charliebaker's images. There have been a fair number of images finishing worse than last, I've never actually seen an official explanation how that happens, but Whiterook has a couple...
R.
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05/26/2010 04:31:39 PM · #33 |
Charliebaker
ok I so thought something was wrong and the image wasnt loading LOL!!!!
Message edited by author 2010-05-26 16:33:00.
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05/26/2010 04:35:20 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
There have been a fair number of images finishing worse than last, I've never actually seen an official explanation how that happens, but Whiterook has a couple... |
A DQ after the challenge ends will do that. The positions are calculated at rollover, so you remain at 250th place even if subsequent DQ's reduce the number of valid entries to less than 250. |
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05/28/2010 01:57:42 PM · #35 |
charliebaker brownies that scored lower than last (due to DQ renumbering of scores)
 (winner of the "Brown Ribbon Deja Vu" challenge!
whiterook brownies that scored lower than last
   
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05/28/2010 02:42:51 PM · #36 |
| Are you guys trying to brown? just asking do not to mean offense... but u all seem so proud... |
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05/28/2010 02:53:27 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by JustCaree:
Are you guys trying to brown? just asking do not to mean offense... but u all seem so proud... |
Charlie intentionally goes after it. I'm not sure that 'Rook does on purpose, but he is also proud of his accomplishment. Many consider it a game. I'm rather proud of my own lone brownie. It was not an intentional brown effort, though I expected a poor performance for this gag shot. It gained me one of my favorite comments after the challenge and is a success in my book:
Posthumous "ok now I'm pissed because you stole my brown..."
Message edited by author 2010-05-28 14:55:56. |
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05/28/2010 02:57:04 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by JustCaree:
Are you guys trying to brown? just asking do not to mean offense... but u all seem so proud... |
It's harder than you think. |
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05/28/2010 03:02:02 PM · #39 |
Unfortunately my lack of creativity got me the brown and close to another one i,m not kinda proud of it but its a learning curve i guess correction ..very close to the brown
Message edited by author 2010-05-28 15:04:27. |
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05/28/2010 03:05:28 PM · #40 |
I never intentionally try to finish last, But there is a certain satisfaction in submitting something which a few people "get" but which completely passes by the typical five-second voter. For example, check out the comments on this picture, and the discussion it spawned in this thread. In a way, it's like successfully pulling off a magic trick -- the photo meets the challenge perfectly, but in a way most people don't see.
I don't have real fancy equipment (about the same as yours) or access to models or lots of time, so I don't really look to compete with the usual stuff on the front page. Instead I try to find things which are interesting or unusual, perhaps even "educational" in some way, or find a different way to process or present a common subject. My concern is more with having a quality image than image quality. |
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05/28/2010 03:10:43 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by JustCaree:
Are you guys trying to brown? just asking do not to mean offense... but u all seem so proud... |
Charlie intentionally goes after it. I'm not sure that 'Rook does on purpose, but he is also proud of his accomplishment. Many consider it a game. I'm rather proud of my own lone brownie. It was not an intentional brown effort, though I expected a poor performance for this gag shot. It gained me one of my favorite comments after the challenge and is a success in my book:
Posthumous "ok now I'm pissed because you stole my brown..." |
omg thats hilarious! |
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05/28/2010 03:15:48 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I never intentionally try to finish last, But there is a certain satisfaction in submitting something which a few people "get" but which completely passes by the typical five-second voter. For example, check out the comments on this picture, and the discussion it spawned in this thread. In a way, it's like successfully pulling off a magic trick -- the photo meets the challenge perfectly, but in a way most people don't see.
I don't have real fancy equipment (about the same as yours) or access to models or lots of time, so I don't really look to compete with the usual stuff on the front page. Instead I try to find things which are interesting or unusual, perhaps even "educational" in some way, or find a different way to process or present a common subject. My concern is more with having a quality image than image quality. |
I wouldnt of gotten this either... but I would of googled the title... i vote differently i guess... i go thru do a quick vote or "first impression" vote and then when I get the full page I go thru and relook at them from the thumbnails... and i usually end up bumping up a handful because i end up "getting" it or take the time to figure it out. |
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05/28/2010 03:21:24 PM · #43 |
So,  GeneralE, you are trying to be obtuse. What then, do you think of images that are obtuse to your own frame of understanding?
I understood where you were going with the posted image but the question remains. Are you a one-man soft parade? |
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05/28/2010 03:51:29 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:
So, GeneralE, you are trying to be obtuse. What then, do you think of images that are obtuse to your own frame of understanding?
I understood where you were going with the posted image but the question remains. Are you a one-man soft parade? |
I'm not quite sure what you mean ... am I really being obtuse? Funny, 'cause I was always taught to eschew obfuscation.... ;-)
When I vote I always start with the assumptions that the photographer thinks it meets the challenge in some way, and that it looks the way it does intentionally, so if it seems blurry, or dark, or oddly cropped I'll try to figure out why the photographer chose to do it that way.
If I really don't like something I might say how I'd have done it differently, but I never say that the photographer has made a mistake. I might add to a score for humor, extra creativity, or exceptional technical accomplishment, but mostly I vote a combination of how well it meets the challenge and whether I "like" it. My overall voting average is almost two points higher than vote received ... there are a lot of really good photographers here. :-)
Originally posted by JustCaree:
... i vote differently i guess... i go thru do a quick vote or "first impression" vote and then when I get the full page I go thru and relook at them from the thumbnails... and i usually end up bumping up a handful because i end up "getting" it or take the time to figure it out. |
Lots of people do some version of this; I think the most common method is to assign votes of either 3, 5, or 7 to "sort" them into groups, and then to go back and refine the votes on a second pass. Any method which works for you is fine, as long as you apply it consistently and fairly. |
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05/28/2010 03:58:01 PM · #45 |
| I try to stay consistent. I also try to leave personal taste out of it. For instance I am not a fan of "cutesy" but I dont want to mark down a high quality "cutesy" image because I dont care for "cutesy". I am really here to learn and grow as well as have fun and share my love with others that have the same love. |
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05/28/2010 04:07:19 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by JustCaree:
Are you guys trying to brown? just asking do not to mean offense... but u all seem so proud... |
If you ever start felling bad about your scores, I would warn you against trying for the brown by design. It can be rather crushing to aim for the ground and missing. My personal favorite brown was  though the one in the current peanut challenge is quite good too. |
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05/28/2010 05:46:16 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by JustCaree:
Are you guys trying to brown? just asking do not to mean offense... but u all seem so proud... |
If you ever start felling bad about your scores, I would warn you against trying for the brown by design. It can be rather crushing to aim for the ground and missing. My personal favorite brown was though the one in the current peanut challenge is quite good too. |
The peanut challenge is just nuts LOL... and I have no inspiration for the life in your city or the free may challenge... :(
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05/28/2010 06:11:07 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by JustCaree:
The peanut challenge is just nuts LOL... and I have no inspiration for the life in your city |
I don't think specific inspiration is needed for this one. Grab you camera, head out and see what interest you can find where you live. I think the street photographers are going to dominate this challenge. |
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05/28/2010 06:40:25 PM · #49 |
thats the problem LOL its rainy and ick here... if it doesnt clean up soon... ill prob skip it.
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05/28/2010 06:42:28 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by JustCaree:
thats the problem LOL its rainy and ick here... if it doesnt clean up soon... ill prob skip it. |
ooh!! Rainy shots are absolutely wonderful! You should definitely go out and shoot!
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