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02/25/2004 01:57:21 PM · #26 |
Nobody's seen it so what are you getting irrate about?
And Basia03 I THINK was trying to make some point..but...what? Millions of people have read the epic of CHrist's crucifixion and still saw Ben Hur, what of it? Knowing the history of Scotland's' quest for freedom, does that mean historians shouldn't see Braveheart? A movie is still JUST a movie and a handful of people's interpretation of events.
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02/25/2004 02:14:24 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
Nobody's seen it so what are you getting irrate about?
A movie is still JUST a movie and a handful of people's interpretation of events. |
Exactly, but I just think it would be a good idea for people to keep in mind that it is just that, a MOVIE, one man's fictionalized account of factual events. Hopefully, people will understand that and not get all screwy.
BTW, I'm definitely not irate, angry, mad, upset, or even mildly perturbed.
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02/25/2004 02:22:07 PM · #28 |
| well, i am getting at least mildly perturbed reading idiotic statements like "the fact remains the Jews [and general populous] were CRYING for Christ's head on a platter for a long time." considering that Jesus was a Jew himself... that was my point... that's it, i am done with this particular forum topic............ |
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02/25/2004 02:39:00 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
Sorry to be the party pooper, but this thread doesn't belong here. It's no less controversial than the MAD post, and belongs in RANT with it. |
Hey.... this IS the RANT forum!
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02/25/2004 02:41:25 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by basia03:
well, i am getting at least mildly perturbed reading idiotic statements like "the fact remains the Jews [and general populous] were CRYING for Christ's head on a platter for a long time." considering that Jesus was a Jew himself... that was my point... that's it, i am done with this particular forum topic............ |
It's FAR from idiotic. Jesus being a Jew himself has nothing to do with His own people wanting to kill him.. same races and religions kill each other all the time. Ignorance is not bliss, I feel sorry that you let the world get to you like that [and not in an antagonistic way either]. But you won't read that because you're done with this thread. |
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02/25/2004 03:43:59 PM · #31 |
The thing I don't understand is why someone who forgives his executioner is a hero and the son of god, all beheaded kings of england were required to forgive their executioner if I recall correctly... England had a lot of sons of god therefore.
You will have to forgive my ignorance in this matter, I don't much understand or care for most religions. I consider them an outdated excuse for wars and killings...
I believe this as "Love thy neigbour" (The only part of christianity (Was it?) I remember) seems to mean kill jews, muslims and anyone else you fancy.. |
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02/25/2004 04:01:53 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by sn4psh07:
The thing I don't understand is why someone who forgives his executioner is a hero and the son of god, all beheaded kings of england were required to forgive their executioner if I recall correctly... England had a lot of sons of god therefore.
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well i'm no history buff but wouldn't that ring a bell in your head about why kings of england did such? perhaps they were emulating Christ?
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02/25/2004 04:06:40 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Exactly, but I just think it would be a good idea for people to keep in mind that it is just that, a MOVIE, one man's fictionalized account of factual events. Hopefully, people will understand that and not get all screwy. |
why don't you please explain to all of us idiots exactly how it happened...
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02/25/2004 04:11:32 PM · #34 |
| I Just saw the Passion... and everyone should see it...the Story speaks for itself...Nothing more to say...just see it |
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02/25/2004 04:16:55 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by achiral:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Exactly, but I just think it would be a good idea for people to keep in mind that it is just that, a MOVIE, one man's fictionalized account of factual events. Hopefully, people will understand that and not get all screwy. |
why don't you please explain to all of us idiots exactly how it happened... |
I never claimed to have the answers and I certainly never called anyone here an idiot.
I'm not a biblical scholar, but the opinions I have read that were written by scholars and historians agree that there are significant deviations from history in Mel Gibsons account.
Message edited by author 2004-02-25 16:17:28.
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02/25/2004 04:58:41 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by achiral:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Exactly, but I just think it would be a good idea for people to keep in mind that it is just that, a MOVIE, one man's fictionalized account of factual events. Hopefully, people will understand that and not get all screwy. |
why don't you please explain to all of us idiots exactly how it happened... |
I never claimed to have the answers and I certainly never called anyone here an idiot.
I'm not a biblical scholar, but the opinions I have read that were written by scholars and historians agree that there are significant deviations from history in Mel Gibsons account. |
Just take it as any other movie,as entertainment! A story based on a story "I told you he told me "doesn't make it more or less truthful!
I'm excited and eager to see it!
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02/25/2004 06:58:30 PM · #37 |
| ya if nothing else, the bible is a hellava fiction book. should be a good flick. |
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02/25/2004 07:37:46 PM · #38 |
all the tickets are sold out.. :((((((( .... sniffsniff sniff......
i guess i will have to see it another night.
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02/25/2004 09:00:54 PM · #39 |
I'm definitely going to go see the movie, hopefully tomorrow. BTW, technically it may have been Jews and Romans that killed Christ but that is ONLY because they were the people that lived in that region. The same thing would have happened if Christ was living in Ethiopa or China or anywhere else in the world. The bible makes it very clear that it was mankind, not a specific group of people, that crucified Christ.
I haven't seen the movie yet and I am not a biblical historian but I do understand that this movie is an honest attempt by Mel Gibson to be very representative of the accounts of Christ as depicted in the bible. I don't know what inaccuracies are in the movie and if they are even significant but often facts are changed a little bit to condense the length of a movie making it more understandable while still conveying the essence of the facts. It's like when 4 real life characters may be reduced to one fictional character that has elements of each of the 4. That particular character may be made up but not the essence of what is being conveyed in the story.
I find it very interesting that so many people are trying to make this movie out to be controversial. Maybe you think that the bible is controversial but this movie is simply a representation of particular accounts in the bible. It just seems that anything that has to do with God or religion automatically has to be attacked and deemed controversial anymore. Is it really too much too ask that this movie or other religious topics be taken for what they are, that is, representations of certain beliefs? If you don't like it or agree with it, fine, but you can still allow others to make up their own minds.
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02/25/2004 09:26:30 PM · #40 |
| Ebert gives A rating 4 stars ! |
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02/25/2004 09:37:31 PM · #41 |
Hopefully there will be some tickets available saturday, we are really looking forward to seeing it...
From the previews it looks like a powerful movie...can hardly wait... |
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02/25/2004 10:53:29 PM · #42 |
| Just bought the tickets online for saturday matinee...whoohoo! |
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02/25/2004 11:19:18 PM · #43 |
Gibson used the Bible as his source of information. Even biblical scholars agree that the Bible does a lousy job of showing time chronologically.
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02/26/2004 12:11:04 AM · #44 |
I may go see it, but it sounds like it's really violent, and mostly focuses on Christ being beatten for 40 minutes, etc. Might be a depressing movie to see.
Although from others I've heard it's really good. I'll probably go see it this weekend to see what all the hoopla is about. :) Mel Gibson needs to recoop the 25mil he sank into this out of his own pocket, so I'll probably help out. |
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02/26/2004 12:33:01 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
ya if nothing else, the bible is a hellava fiction book. should be a good flick. |
Hell Yes! Mad I like you more and more every day. I couldn't care less about the debates, although I find them fascinating. Nobody will EVER agree on religion, that's why we have so many different factions who believe different details of all the truly entertaining stories. I just hope it's a good movie and from what I've heard it's supposed to be one (even though most of the press it received was NOT about the quality of the film at all.) Nothing is as powerful as negative press to make something famous. Hopeful it will live up to it's fame/infamy by being a powerful work of art. |
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02/26/2004 07:33:47 PM · #46 |
| I went Wednesday morning...Wow the movie was just incredibly graffic and showed the true suffering that was present in that day. I can say I was in a state of silence for a LONG long time after I saw it...Do I reccomend everyone go see it? No. But the movie is truely moving. Definatly prepare yourself before going to see it...dont think this movie will be a breeze to see because it isnt...not at all. |
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02/27/2004 11:46:02 PM · #47 |
I saw it today. Mel Gibson is a courageous man. He and all involved did an unbelievably tremendous job producing this. It touched me profoundly, and I'm sorry I didn't bring tissues. Prepare yourself for this. It is gory, it is pitiful, it is sickening, it is heart-wrenching, all this and more.
You're better off leaving your kids home, because it is very disturbing and can be devestating for a child. People who brought their children, quickly realized it was too graphic, and would need too much explanation, and left.
I may sound as if I didn't like the film. In a strong way I didn't. No one could like it, but a sadist, however it needed to be shown. The whole truth about Jesus' suffering and death has been sugar-coated and played down, but this film deviates from the status quo hollywood account of Jesus. The reality is intense.
I hope a follow up film will be made depicting the resurrection. That part of the gospel is what all the rest really led up to. It is the resurrection that really sets Christ aside from all prophets and saints. He rose from the dead, victorious over death, and sent the Holy Spirit to live within those who believe.
After seeing this film I love the lord more than ever. The real reason that I love him, is that he first loved me. He loved me so much that he willingly laid down his life for me. The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life. I know these things seem baffling. They once did to me, but once I prayed and asked Jesus to live in my heart, he did, and I understood all those things that were a mystery to me. The natural man can't receive the things of God for they are spiritually discerned.
See the film with an open mind and heart. Ask God to help you discern between truth and falsehood...and DON'T forget the tissues.
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02/28/2004 11:51:42 AM · #48 |
Quick question about the movie (to those who have seen it).....
Do you feel this movie is suitable for a teenager (13/14) to see?
(TO LATE.....)
Message edited by author 2004-02-28 16:17:28.
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02/28/2004 07:13:05 PM · #49 |
It wasn't just the jews who sacrificed Christ, it was all of us. I helped by holding that hammer. My sins are forgiven because of Him.
I seen the movie today and wow, that is really all I can say. I have read the story in the Bible, but it never was as visual to me as this movie.
I would recommend this to everyone.
Just remember to pray first.
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02/28/2004 07:15:52 PM · #50 |
I dare anyone who are having doughts to pick up that Bible and read it! Just one thing, before you read it ask God who ever it is you think we believe in to help you feel what we do. That is all.
I bet you won't do it. You don't want to feel what we feel so you'll keep fighting it. That is ok, becuase it talks of people like you in the Bible. I pray you do though. Peace!
Message edited by author 2004-02-28 19:21:25. |
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