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02/23/2004 11:55:21 AM · #1 |
Is there any special reason there are some Transparent Member/Non Member
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02/23/2004 11:56:36 AM · #2 |
i think they are gender indescisive
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02/23/2004 11:57:13 AM · #3 |
they are the ones who chose to be non-gender specific....in other words they do not wish to be listed as male or female
James
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02/23/2004 11:57:45 AM · #4 |
Is that why they have a pony tail???
Just wondering, Thanks
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02/23/2004 11:59:05 AM · #5 |
only on half the head though - again they may have yet to figure out their gender - or like to keep you guessing
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02/23/2004 12:11:17 PM · #6 |
| Or maybe they have a strong opinion that gender has nothing to do with anything. I hate being labeled. Why should I have another put on me when it isn't required? |
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02/23/2004 12:18:45 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by pcody:
Or maybe they have a strong opinion that gender has nothing to do with anything. I hate being labeled. Why should I have another put on me when it isn't required? |
Labelphobe!
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02/23/2004 12:20:14 PM · #8 |
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02/23/2004 12:22:09 PM · #9 |
| No I'm not a ho either! =0 |
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02/23/2004 12:27:49 PM · #10 |
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02/23/2004 12:54:20 PM · #11 |
very cool. I didnt have mine checked & my icon came out as a guys. I got a pm rom someone asking why I hadn't chosen the right icon. I was nominally upset that the default was a guy so I changed it. Finally I can go back to relative anonomity (sp???)
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02/23/2004 12:54:58 PM · #12 |
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02/23/2004 12:55:42 PM · #13 |
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02/23/2004 01:28:10 PM · #14 |
The biggest reason for specifying your gender is so that when people talk about you, you can use the correct pronoun. It is very annoying (IMHO) to have to read/type "he or she", "he/she", "him or her", "him/her", "his/her", "his/hers", "s/he".
For example, since I don't know what gender 'pcody' is (profile picture is not helpful, full name is not helpful), I have to type:
- I was looking at pcody's profile and I really like his/her Book Titles shot.
or:
- I was looking at pcody's profile and I really like their Book Titles shot.
I don't see why it is such a big deal to select a gender to make it easy to talk "naturally" in the forums. If we were at a party together, would you expect me to say "he or she", "him or her" or "their" when I spoke about you?
Specifying your gender just seems like a small courtesy to me. |
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02/23/2004 03:05:19 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by EddyG:
I don't see why it is such a big deal to select a gender to make it easy to talk "naturally" in the forums. |
What could be more natural than using the perfectly (and always) correct indefinite pronoun?
Originally posted by EddyG:
Specifying your gender just seems like a small courtesy to me. |
It seems more polite to me that one shouldn't voice their annoyance regarding a completely acceptable choice that another has made. |
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02/23/2004 03:33:09 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by dwoolridge:
What could be more natural than using the perfectly (and always) correct indefinite pronoun? |
Because IMHO, it doesn't sound natural. Indefinite pronouns replace nouns without specifying which noun they replace. And whenever an indefinite pronoun acts as the antecedent for a personal pronoun, the gender problem immediately arises. And since indefinite pronouns don't refer to anyone in particular, people hesitate to use a singular personal pronoun to refer to one of them, because singular is too specific. A plural pronoun looks particularly attractive when the antecedent is everyone or everybody, for example. These words imply a large number of people, and yet these words (as well as any nouns preceded by the word every) are always singular. Any personal pronoun that refers to a singular indefinite pronoun must be in the singular form:
Incorrect: Is anyone happy with their photo?
Correct: Is anyone happy with his photo?
(Why? Because anyone and is are singular. The possessive pronoun must be singular, too.)
The only alternative is this awkward, but correct, attempt:
Correct: Are any of the people happy with their photos?
Message edited by author 2004-02-23 15:34:15. |
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02/23/2004 03:35:59 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by EddyG:
The biggest reason for specifying your gender is so that when people talk about you, you can use the correct pronoun.
I don't see why it is such a big deal to select a gender to make it easy to talk "naturally" in the forums. If we were at a party together, would you expect me to say "he or she", "him or her" or "their" when I spoke about you?
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What if we don't want people to talk about us in the forums? Can there be a big, red X icon, too? |
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02/23/2004 03:40:53 PM · #18 |
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02/23/2004 04:42:58 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by EddyG:
Originally posted by dwoolridge:
What could be more natural than using the perfectly (and always) correct indefinite pronoun? |
Because IMHO, it doesn't sound natural. |
Oh no, an impasse! I prefer the sound of their, they, et cetera and it sounds natural to me.
However, you can rest assured that your opinion is likely that of the majority.
Originally posted by EddyG:
Incorrect: Is anyone happy with their photo? |
Although this usage is not altogether agreeable to everyone, it is not incorrect.
Originally posted by EddyG:
Correct: Is anyone happy with his photo? |
The lack of gender-neutral singular terms is contentious, but the indefinite pronouns have been used exactly for that from Austen to Shakespeare. These rules of grammar were fabricated more recently than actual usage (and "his or her" is more likely to be used than "his"). It is more common to be selective about one's use, as for example: Is anyone happy with his vagina? Strictly speaking, "his" is correct. I applaud you if you wish to take up the argument that it sounds more natural or is correct.
Originally posted by EddyG:
(Why? Because anyone and is are singular. The possessive pronoun must be singular, too.) |
Well, you can live in the grammar straightjacket or you can accept their as the third person singular indefinite pronoun (the usage of which historically predates the grammar later misapplied to it).
Damn that Red Queen theory.
Oh, the pedantry is killing me.
How 'bout you?
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02/23/2004 04:48:33 PM · #20 |
how many of us are indifferentiable ( ? ) gender wise in the real world?
seems like a cop out to hide your gender in a public place...
guess we need to wiat until the next self portrait challenge and take notes when the voting is done...
for those who really are hard to differentiate - i apologize
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02/23/2004 06:27:45 PM · #21 |
| I think it kind of looks like a hat..... a baret. I think every one should wear one. |
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02/23/2004 07:21:41 PM · #22 |
We don`t know if they are Heshe`s or Shehe`s!Lets call them all Pat? LOL,Instead of a baret it could be a coon skin cap like Davey and Daniel used to wear!
Message edited by author 2004-02-23 19:34:15. |
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02/23/2004 07:45:09 PM · #23 |
Look at that she`s on top!! |
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02/23/2004 10:01:25 PM · #24 |
Back from work.
Even on the phone, people can't tell if I'm male or female. It makes life so very interesting. I try to play along with whatever gender the other person picks. So Eddy pick one, I won't correct you at all. But then there is thee and thou. They are pretty neutral.
I think the neutral icon was put there to be used and I choose to use it. Sorry if it makes you uncomfortable. |
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