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 03/31/2010 04:30:11 PM · #51
We have an Abstract Club so let me start another one.

The Cheaters Club

Posthumous
Wawendy

I'll add more as the confessions pile up. :)

tis a joke people. :)
 03/31/2010 04:37:07 PM · #52
Not especially funny.
 03/31/2010 04:37:44 PM · #53
Originally posted by Melethia:
Not especially funny.


Agreed. I'm in shock right now...

R.
 03/31/2010 04:41:16 PM · #54
Originally posted by Jac:
We have an Abstract Club so let me start another one.

The Cheaters Club

Posthumous
Wawendy

I'll add more as the confessions pile up. :)

tis a joke people. :)


No joke. I already asked if it was an April's Fool. That would have been *AWESOME*.
 03/31/2010 04:41:40 PM · #55
It is April 1st in this part of the world. Has me wondering...

Message edited by author 2010-03-31 16:43:21.
 03/31/2010 04:41:54 PM · #56
Hmmm, so now we see the downside of the investigation. Hurt feelings, misunderstandings... :-/

Perhaps as part of "receiving a warning" it should be made clear that a pattern (or whatever) appeared and was noted; not that it is an indication of guilt or coming punishment or whatever.
 03/31/2010 04:44:38 PM · #57
Originally posted by citymars:
Hmmm, so now we see the downside of the investigation. Hurt feelings, misunderstandings... :-/

Perhaps as part of "receiving a warning" it should be made clear that a pattern (or whatever) appeared and was noted; not that it is an indication of guilt or coming punishment or whatever.


I'm suspended from voting. The decision was made and there's no way for me to prove a negative.
 03/31/2010 04:46:50 PM · #58
Originally posted by posthumous:
I'm suspended from voting. The decision was made and there's no way for me to prove a negative.

Really??? I'm so bummed. I'm really sorry to hear that. Well, everyone stay calm. Don't give up. Maybe there's a way to appeal.
 03/31/2010 04:55:15 PM · #59
Originally posted by vawendy:
I received a warning. I am extremely upset.

...

I don't think I want to play anymore.


I don't like this at all.

I hope that this is not an April Fool's Day joke.
 03/31/2010 04:56:04 PM · #60
Originally posted by langdon:
Most of the "investigation" was done manually as to avoid "false positives,"


How sure are you that your methodology would differentiate between traded votes and people liking (and thus producing) similar styles of image - especially when that style is rather eclectic..... ????

I'm not sure that sort of differentiation is ever possible - are we just to accept that there will be a small number of people who will be 'sacrificed' in the name of this purge? Was any weight given to their community contribution? If not - why undertake a manual investigation if not to use the full latitude of your judgment in this regard?
 03/31/2010 04:57:13 PM · #61
I, too, received a little message, finding abnormalities in my voting standards and pointing ways to ensure that my future voting remain unbiased and objective. I do acknowledge the first observation (it's true, I don't conform to any norm just for the sake of doing that) and take the second (suggestion) lightly, since I know I'm certainly both biased and objective. I know which shots I want to promote and which, if any in a given challenge, offend my sensibility. Much, to me, is dross. I leave it alone, because I do not want to discourage a potential novice seeking his/her way.

This is why I rarely vote much over 20% or 30%. In short, I acknowledge the intervention and can see why it was done. Facit? I will continue to do follow my conscience or, in the event that my actions be curbed, vote less or not at all. The message was worded thoughtfully, and the tone was sensitive enough for the context that motivated it. I do not expect any undue politics.

Message edited by author 2010-03-31 16:58:53.
 03/31/2010 05:00:40 PM · #62
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by Jac:
We have an Abstract Club so let me start another one.

The Cheaters Club

Posthumous
Wawendy

I'll add more as the confessions pile up. :)

tis a joke people. :)


No joke. I already asked if it was an April's Fool. That would have been *AWESOME*.


'Lordie...I remember last year...I about dropped a brick...I don't remember exactly but I probably have it buried somewhere on my computer...
 03/31/2010 05:01:32 PM · #63
why do people even do that? isn't it worth more if actually peoople you don't know appreciate your work? thank u guys for keepin an eye on this
 03/31/2010 05:06:05 PM · #64
haha I love how all the squirmers are trying to validate their behavior. Bye bye cheaters... you'll be back I'm sure. : )
 03/31/2010 05:08:50 PM · #65
Originally posted by love:
haha I love how all the squirmers are trying to validate their behavior. Bye bye cheaters... you'll be back I'm sure. : )


Quite unnecessary! Just watch how you vote in future??
 03/31/2010 05:09:51 PM · #66
Originally posted by love:
haha I love how all the squirmers are trying to validate their behavior. Bye bye cheaters... you'll be back I'm sure. : )


I think that what is happening, love, is that people who haven't been cheating are being penalised for quite innocent voting. That does seem to be a problem i'd say.

I find i also often give out 9s and 10s to my favourite photographs and then find that the same names come up repeatedly at the end of the challenges. I often post these in the posthumous thread. Perhaps if i had been here as long as posthumous has these votes would seem more like a pattern and i'd be getting into trouble as well. I

Message edited by author 2010-03-31 17:21:27.
 03/31/2010 05:19:31 PM · #67
Originally posted by zeuszen:
The message was worded thoughtfully, and the tone was sensitive enough for the context that motivated it. I do not expect any undue politics.


Agreed, they were very polite. They're just convinced that I was cheating.
 03/31/2010 05:19:59 PM · #68
Originally posted by love:
haha I love how all the squirmers are trying to validate their behavior. Bye bye cheaters... you'll be back I'm sure. : )


No, if I'm being suspended for 30 days, I won't be back.
 03/31/2010 05:20:18 PM · #69
I find the first of April coinciding wit this is too much of a coincidence!! well in the case this is not joke I believe we are entitled to see the methodologies at which these "voting patterns" were found, and the basis of the ban. i know im not the best dpc'er and quite lazy when it comes to voting but mehh... is Six months really justifiable punishment?

PS: you can add me to the list :P
 03/31/2010 05:20:36 PM · #70
When I was gathering information for some of the side challenges I notice something. I have sent langdon an email about this because it could make people appear to be voting low or high in favor of someone when in fact they are not.

You have always been told that if you don't vote 20% your votes will be tossed. This is not necessarily true; let me explain.

Lets say you vote right at 20% but for some reason, maybe someone got dq'ed, all your votes would be scrubbed EXCEPT the votes with a comment attached. What votes usually have a comment attached? high or low votes. So if you vote using the complete scale but do not get to the 20% then all votes will be scrapped without a comment leaving on the votes you commented on. If they happen to be 8,9,or 10 votes then it looks like you are voting excessively high and the same can be said if you comment on low pictures. All the in between votes are scrubbed and cant be accounted for.

Same holds true if you vote only on a few pictures with the intent to vote over 20% but for reason beyond your control you didn't have time to get the 20%.

This is something to think about.

I don't want to see anyone accused of frivolous voting when they are voting according to the site rules and the spirit of the rules.

Take my post for what it's worth.

Message edited by author 2010-03-31 17:22:32.
 03/31/2010 05:24:31 PM · #71
Even scrapped votes are visible on certain "reports" that we look at. (They show up in red, btw, letting us know that they were scrapped.)
 03/31/2010 05:25:31 PM · #72
Originally posted by SDW:
When I was gathering information for some of the side challenges I notice something. I have sent langdon an email about this because it could make people appear to be voting low or high in favor of someone when in fact they are not.

You have always been told that if you don't vote 20% your votes will be tossed. This is not necessarily true; let me explain.

Lets say you vote right at 20% but for some reason, maybe someone got dq'ed, all your votes would be scrubbed EXCEPT the votes with a comment attached. What votes usually have a comment attached? high or low votes. So if you vote using the complete scale but do not get to the 20% then all votes will be scrapped without a comment leaving on the votes you commented on. If they happen to be 8,9,or 10 votes then it looks like you are voting excessively high and the same can be said if you comment on low pictures. All the in between votes are scrubbed and cant be accounted for.

Same holds true if you vote only on a few pictures with the intent to vote over 20% but for reason beyond your control you didn't have time to get the 20%.

This is something to think about.

I don't want to see anyone accused of frivolous voting when they are voting according to the site rules and the spirit of the rules.

Take my post for what it's worth.


I've never heard of votes with comments not being scrubbed when failing to meet the 20% threshold for any reason. Are you sure about that?
 03/31/2010 05:29:28 PM · #73
if you all knew how conscientious don is about the huge number of votes he casts, and how he sweats over the 10's (his ribbons), you would never feel confident enough to cast another vote here.
 03/31/2010 05:30:20 PM · #74
Originally posted by scarbrd:
I've never heard of votes with comments not being scrubbed when failing to meet the 20% threshold for any reason. Are you sure about that?

Neither have I. If you vote on less than 20% of the entries, ALL the votes are tossed, comment or not.
 03/31/2010 05:30:27 PM · #75
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Originally posted by SDW:
When I was gathering information for some of the side challenges I notice something. I have sent langdon an email about this because it could make people appear to be voting low or high in favor of someone when in fact they are not.

You have always been told that if you don't vote 20% your votes will be tossed. This is not necessarily true; let me explain.

Lets say you vote right at 20% but for some reason, maybe someone got dq'ed, all your votes would be scrubbed EXCEPT the votes with a comment attached. What votes usually have a comment attached? high or low votes. So if you vote using the complete scale but do not get to the 20% then all votes will be scrapped without a comment leaving on the votes you commented on. If they happen to be 8,9,or 10 votes then it looks like you are voting excessively high and the same can be said if you comment on low pictures. All the in between votes are scrubbed and cant be accounted for.

Same holds true if you vote only on a few pictures with the intent to vote over 20% but for reason beyond your control you didn't have time to get the 20%.

This is something to think about.

I don't want to see anyone accused of frivolous voting when they are voting according to the site rules and the spirit of the rules.

Take my post for what it's worth.


I've never heard of votes with comments not being scrubbed when failing to meet the 20% threshold for any reason. Are you sure about that?

Yes! No other way to explain some users with only x number of votes that matches the amount of comments. Example would be 11 votes/11 comments. We all know that 11 votes would not get a user up to 20% in 99.9999% of the challenges. But the prof goes beyond that.
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