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02/20/2004 09:00:09 AM · #1 |
I cropped, sharpened and added this border. Does this work for you? Why or why not.
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02/20/2004 09:05:08 AM · #2 |
| I think it´s very much a matter of taste. The border is not "to much" as they sometimes tend to be and the color tones with the rose-leaves. I think I would have prefered to have it black or white (since it´s a wedding shot). |
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02/20/2004 09:12:34 AM · #3 |
Personally don't like the border a whole lot. Reminds me somewhat how pictures fade over time, which maybe suits the wedding theme. I just don't much like the red bleeding in to the frame.
Its tough trying to expose for bride's/ grooms isn't it. Think that's why so many wedding photos like to use negative film, they can always bring the detail back into the most important part of the shoot (usually the dress)
I guess digital shooters need to expose for the dress and worry about bringing the groom out of the shadows later. Any insight from the people who are doing this regularly ?
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02/20/2004 09:19:07 AM · #4 |
I like it. What technique did you use to create the faded border?
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02/20/2004 09:26:40 AM · #5 |
lose the border- if it were me in the photo i would be upset by the border. just my thought
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02/20/2004 09:31:20 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by soup:
lose the border- if it were me in the photo i would be upset by the border. just my thought |
I agree. I really don't care for the border in this situation. The photo itself is very good.
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02/20/2004 10:11:32 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by nicklevy:
I like it. What technique did you use to create the faded border? |
I used a similar effect here. I think the steps are: SelectAll; Border (maybe 20 pixels); Feather (a lot); Fill with color. If you do this on a separate layer you can vary the opacity (mine was a lot darker and also had a solid border outside). It does not seem to be a real popular look though -- use with discretion.
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02/20/2004 10:21:05 AM · #8 |
Bad borders ruin good pictures...those are bad borders.
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02/20/2004 10:35:59 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
Bad borders ruin good pictures...those are bad borders. |
In this case I was told the photo wasn't so hot either :(
Still, I like to experiment. I'm a believer in learning from mistakes as well as the teachings of others. |
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02/20/2004 12:29:10 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by KevinRiggs:
I cropped, sharpened and added this border. Does this work for you? Why or why not.
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Kevin.. wonderful photo! Great moment that they will treasure.
I don't like the border. The pink detracts. An uneven brushed type border would work if you think you need one, but I prefer the soft misty white borders. For weddings they work well because it puts them further into the 'fantasy world' they want to remember their wedding day being..
I still don't think it needs a border though. :)
Do you have others from this shoot?
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02/20/2004 01:21:23 PM · #11 |
Nice shot, but I really prefer it without the border. I have nothing at all against borders, but I don't think this one adds to the shot. I think this one would be fun to play around with in black and white and see how you like it.
My first shots out of my 717 were at a coworker's wedding last year, and I got one of my favorite shot's of the year....very similar to your's. I wish I had panned down enough to get the bottom of the dress and the legs as you did in yours. I think it looks better that way.
I think the bride and groom will like your shot alot! Did you take many pictures at the wedding? Were you THE photographer, or just attending taking your own photos?
Message edited by author 2004-02-20 13:23:08.
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02/20/2004 04:11:12 PM · #12 |
| This kind of border might make more sense if you made a heart-shaped opening and vignetted that to just show their heads/shoulders, either filling in the outside to make a red mat or by faded-out the rest of the picture. |
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02/20/2004 04:21:33 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
Bad borders ruin good pictures...those are bad borders. |
In this case I was told the photo wasn't so hot either :(
Still, I like to experiment. I'm a believer in learning from mistakes as well as the teachings of others. |
I like the photo
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02/20/2004 04:22:04 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
This kind of border might make more sense if you made a heart-shaped opening and vignetted that to just show their heads/shoulders, either filling in the outside to make a red mat or by faded-out the rest of the picture. |
Just had to say I totally screwed up my face with a *cringe* when I read that suggestion. But I'm not the bride or groom..so..
Message edited by author 2004-02-20 16:22:18.
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02/20/2004 04:28:46 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
This kind of border might make more sense if you made a heart-shaped opening and vignetted that to just show their heads/shoulders, either filling in the outside to make a red mat or by faded-out the rest of the picture. |
Just had to say I totally screwed up my face with a *cringe* when I read that suggestion. But I'm not the bride or groom..so.. |
Some people like that kind of stuff. I just thought if you're gonna put on a vignetted border at all, might as well go all the way. I'd never do something like that as the main or only picture, but it might be a fun addition to a large set of photos.
I've been using simple borders (or none) more often of late. |
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02/20/2004 05:03:53 PM · #16 |
Thanks everyone for the feedback. I'm not normally a big fan of borders on my photographs but I'm trying to learn some of the more appealing was to use borders as I think they can be a valuable addition to some photos.
In answer to questions asked:
(A) I was not the photographer for that wedding; it was a very close relative's and I was there more to participate and enjoy than shoot.
(B) I do have more from that wedding and another the next weekend but I hadn't had my camera more than about a week when I went to these weddings and ALL the indoor shots are weak to say the least.
(C) I'm just hanging out my shingle for weddings in my area and since I almost never use borders I wondered what everyone thought. Oddly enough I've gotten great reviews on the image with the border from non-photographers and the bride & groom's families but photographers just don't seem to like it at all. (it tanked because of the border at FredMiranda and only did moderately well on PhotoSIG).
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02/20/2004 05:05:33 PM · #17 |
| I guess the DPC community believes in a world without borders .... |
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02/20/2004 05:05:36 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
This kind of border might make more sense if you made a heart-shaped opening and vignetted that to just show their heads/shoulders, either filling in the outside to make a red mat or by faded-out the rest of the picture. |
Just had to say I totally screwed up my face with a *cringe* when I read that suggestion. But I'm not the bride or groom..so.. |
have to admit I felt faintly ill too....
but there's no accounting for taste, as they say.
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02/20/2004 05:12:20 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
have to admit I felt faintly ill too.... |
If I knew it was so easy to drum up business I'd have gone into private practice ....
In case you didn't notice there is a substantial market for such things in the USA -- where "taste" is more often exorcoriated than exercised and kitsch is king. |
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02/20/2004 05:30:07 PM · #20 |
Quite often during the course of shooting sports and other series shots where I can't manually meter each shot, I choose one of the more center-weighted metering modes, and/or knock down the exposure value to as much as -1, and shoot RAW wherever possible (though sometimes not practical with sports shots) to avoid totally blowing highlights. As a recent convert to shooting RAW whenever I can (now that I have access to PhotoShop CS) I'm shocked and amazed at the level of quality and versatility that you can get out of a RAW file. The exposure latitude is much more forgiving, which is the major shortcoming with digital. Furthermore, dodging and burning the converted RAW file in PS CS brings out much more detail than I'd ever hoped. Of course, I'm preaching to the converted here.
I'd put up my 10D+50/1.4 prints up against anything a medium-format camera could produce.
Originally posted by Gordon:
I guess digital shooters need to expose for the dress and worry about bringing the groom out of the shadows later. Any insight from the people who are doing this regularly ? |
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02/20/2004 07:41:14 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Gordon:
have to admit I felt faintly ill too.... |
If I knew it was so easy to drum up business I'd have gone into private practice ....
In case you didn't notice there is a substantial market for such things in the USA -- where "taste" is more often exorcoriated than exercised and kitsch is king. |
Agreed. There is a slew of people who love the borders and props in photos. I was thinking that the heart shape idea would be okay if you tilted the heart. Anyway, for a wall portrait, I'd like to see no border, or the white vignette.
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02/20/2004 07:44:08 PM · #22 |
Think about it this way: most wedding photos on display are already going to be in a fancy frame. Therefore, adding a border is unneccessary. (I think I spelled that wrong, but I'm tired.)
If you INSIST on doing a border, I would do something that makes the photo look more elegant... like a very thin, white illustration in the corner that then has a thin, 1 or 2px border around the shot. Something that enhances the 'romance' of the shot. A gradient border, I think, detracts.
And spend a little time burning the dress. It will make the picture that much more treasured.
Great capture, by the way.
Rob
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02/20/2004 07:46:36 PM · #23 |
If you do want to do some kind of fade effect, might I also suggest the Melancholytron from Flaming Pear (I think it's flamingpear.com). You can adjust very minute details for the effects you would like.
I used it in this shot:
and while it's a completely different use than what you need, I think it applies quite well.
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02/20/2004 07:49:54 PM · #24 |
I think the fancy border thing is brought to light by the popularity of scrapbooking.
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