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11/13/2009 11:19:47 AM · #351 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Perhaps once you've been around for a while in the real world and have a clue you'll understand this. |
Yeah AJ! When you grow up and spend most of your days making over-dramatic rants on an Internet forum you'll understand! |
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11/13/2009 11:23:53 AM · #352 |
| Until then, I'll just sit and count the money I do make from photography, until the stack is high enough to have an opinion on the business. |
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11/13/2009 12:01:03 PM · #353 |
So, here are some of the idea's posted through out the thread so far:
Originally posted by KarenNfld:
I don't care one way or another if a watermark is put on our photo as long as it's not there during voting. I can see the comments now....this would be great except for the watermark! |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Another option for either a DPC or custom user watermark is to allow simple positioning (low, center, high). |
Originally posted by Dr.Confuser:
I am opposed to watermarking ... but understand the rationale.
If we were to watermark, I would suggest making it a Preference Item. Check it and your images would be watermarked. Leave it unchecked and your images would display watermark free. And I would hope that images would be watermark free during voting, regardless of the setting selected.
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Originally posted by pedrobop:
I think that watermark should be included after the challenge results. And the challenges images should be open only for registered people.
I'm a newbie amateur and nobody will steal my images but i voted yes for my many teachers here. |
Originally posted by vawendy:
ok, quickly scanned through, and found this:
1. Put a stretched transparent GIF over every image. Name the GIF "Contact Owner to License Photo". If someone right clicks or drags off a photo, they'll get an empty file with an official-sounding copyright warning.
2. Enable a standardized DPC watermark as a preference on ALL challenge entries, but make them disappear when logged in. Have a pop-up copyright notice appear upon first login (maybe even with a "more info" FAQ link explaining that just because a photo is on the internet does not make it free). That way, the regulars would get a clean viewing experience, and a thief would at least have to register AND ignore a warning to swipe a clean image.
3. Consider using a script to continually clear the clipboard or remap screen grab keystrokes wherever images are shown full size. You wouldn't be able to use copy-and-paste in comments, but it would serve as a speed bump for people trying to take a screen grab when right-click doesn't work.
This works for me. I just don't want to see the watermarks. If we don't have to look at them, great! |
Originally posted by KaDi:
I want the option of watermarking my challenge entries. That's all.
I have that option on every other image I post to this site. Why not have it for challenge entries that go into a site-permanent database?
Ideally, the watermark would be applied:
1. only after the challenge voting was complete
2. at the option of the site member
3. automatically by the site
4. determined on an image-by-image basis by the owner of the image
5. at any time
I don't care if I'm stupid, naive, misguided, paranoid, un-savvy or even silly in my desire. I won't even promise to use a feature if it were implemented. I just want the option. |
Originally posted by AmeedEl-Ghoul:
I suggest to centralize the water mark here in DPC, more organized and professional looking,
A DPC watermark on all the challenge entries, and an Option to keep it after the vote is over. For those who are suggesting no watermark during voting .... Really?!!
You mean all what it takes to obtain a copy from whatever picture in here is to register?
If you want to make things really neat and customized,
You can create a script or whatever is the way, that adds the photographer info under the DPC watermark when the challenge is over, with an option to turn it on and off,
Something like having the DPC logo in in medium size and beneath it something like '' This photography belongs to: '' Member Name '' All rights reserved c,
What would change from a member to another is only the name.
People who don't want that .. fine .. opt out,
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I didn't have the strength to read through the last 5 pages... But, here are some ideas.. Anyone have any more suggestions since this is what this thread was for... :-) |
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11/13/2009 12:10:16 PM · #354 |
Originally posted by AJSullivan:
One day I might be old enough to have opinions! Haha. |
No, one day you may be old enough, and have the experience to have informed opinions.
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11/13/2009 12:12:26 PM · #355 |
 kandykarml, we needed your post. Thank you.
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11/13/2009 12:34:06 PM · #356 |
Originally posted by kandykarml:
Anyone have any more suggestions |
There were Joe's thoughts....
Originally posted by jdannels:
I agree, I voted no to watermarks because it would make this site considerably less enjoyable to view and that is what I am really here for. Since they kept the "Images Viewed" statistics I have looked at nearly 100,000 images. I am also here to get people to look at my images. Challenges allow me to post anything I want and have at least two hundred views of my work during the challenge, and depending on placement and popularity can add hundreds to thousands more. With this I have had several images stolen and pop all around the interwebs, and I will take that as the nature of the beast. If all of you who are so worried that your works are going to be stolen, why have you not been watermarking them already? A few extra pixels is not going to make your image any more susceptible to theft. Just my opinion.
If this goes forward I would hope to see some of these implementations, atleast.
1. If you are logged in you will not see watermarks, or become a paying member to not see the watermarks.
2. Watermarks never show up during a challenge.
3. I think the watermarks should be tied to the user's profile, for example, jdannels.dpchallenge.com. This way if someone finds it out there somewhere and wants to find you they can.
4. Watermarks are optional.
If you need to be registered to not see watermarks, and I want to show them an entry, I would upload it to my flickr account direct my friends and family there. This seems like a reasonable thing other users might do also and the site would be losing traffic, which is a shame. |
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11/13/2009 01:55:57 PM · #357 |
and these were my thoughts...
Originally posted by Skip:
why not keep it simple...
if you are a paid member:
* you can upload a watermark
* a watermarked version of your entry is made
-> if you haven't uploaded a watermark, then a default 'dpc' watermarked version is made
* after challenges, you have the ability to view watermarked versions or original entries
* you can optionally have a watermarked applied to any images in your portfolio
if you are a registered member:
* a default 'dpc' watermarked version is made
* after challenges, when you browse the entries, you can only see the watermarked version
if you are a guest visiting:
* you can only see the watermarked version of challenge entries
i don't like defacing images, either, but it is the first simple deterrent.
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Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by AJSullivan:
One day I might be old enough to have opinions! Haha. |
No, one day you may be old enough, and have the experience to have informed opinions. |
yeah...riiiight...just like it was the experienced elder wiseman who told the emperor he had no clothes... |
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11/13/2009 02:17:30 PM · #358 |
Originally posted by Skip:
yeah...riiiight...just like it was the experienced elder wiseman who told the emperor he had no clothes... |
My comment, to AJ, was in response to this start:
Originally posted by AJSullivan:
Get real man, the more you post, the less you seem to understand about the actual business of photography and how to make money. |
Which considering I ran a reasonably successful business for almost as long as he's been alive simply means that it was a ridiculous statement.
You want to defend that POV, you go right ahead.
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11/13/2009 02:31:28 PM · #359 |
| Its a young mans game Grandpa! Time to step aside and let the new class show you how its done. /sarcasm |
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11/13/2009 02:31:47 PM · #360 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by Skip:
yeah...riiiight...just like it was the experienced elder wiseman who told the emperor he had no clothes... |
My comment, to AJ, was in response to this start:
Originally posted by AJSullivan:
Get real man, the more you post, the less you seem to understand about the actual business of photography and how to make money. |
Which considering I ran a reasonably successful business for almost as long as he's been alive simply means that it was a ridiculous statement.
You want to defend that POV, you go right ahead. |
Did you run a photography business? |
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11/13/2009 02:57:11 PM · #361 |
Originally posted by Skip:
yeah...riiiight...just like it was the experienced elder wiseman who told the emperor he had no clothes... |
My comment, to AJ, was in response to this start:
Originally posted by AJSullivan:
Get real man, the more you post, the less you seem to understand about the actual business of photography and how to make money. |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Which considering I ran a reasonably successful business for almost as long as he's been alive simply means that it was a ridiculous statement.
You want to defend that POV, you go right ahead. |
Originally posted by Phil:
Did you run a photography business? |
Oh, good grief!
No, I did not, I ran a specialty British car restoration shop.
A niche business with particular, and aesthetically oriented, eccentric people, based solely on the merits of my workmanship and word-of-mouth.
Abso-freakin'-lutely nothing whatsoever like a photography business.
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11/13/2009 02:58:41 PM · #362 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Abso-freakin'-lutely nothing whatsoever like a photography business. |
I think that may be the point. |
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11/13/2009 03:35:18 PM · #363 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Abso-freakin'-lutely nothing whatsoever like a photography business. |
Originally posted by scalvert:
I think that may be the point. |
Yep......
I dealt with strange requests, performed a service with limited relevance in the big picture, where on a whim the entire thing could go into the toilet, yet people would spend stupid money to get what they wanted, and if you made their wishes come true, they were yours for life.
No corrollaries there, right?
AND.....having done that for the better part of two decades, I really want to be a photographer, NOT a businessperson, which is why I like DP Challenge.....it, theoretically, is a place where enthusiasts can get togther to compete, learn, enjoy each others' work, and enjoy doing so without getting too serious about it.
I work with three galleries who host my work, do a little portrait work and some odd jobs, but don't really see myself getting back into something that's a niche market, ESPECIALLY one where there's a glut of people who'll cut your throat for a dollar, and have to lose all the time I'd rather be shooting and/or spending time with my family. The way to do it is to do the art & craft show circuit, spend a lot of money on inventory, do wedding and/orportrait photography, and let's face it, that means you won't have a life evenings and weekends. Couple thaty with me living in the Northeast, and unless I travel, the show circuit is dead for nigh onto five months.
NOT interested.
This isn't an ouitpost for professional photogs.......it's DP Challenge, and the whole tone of the place is acquiring an edge that is really taking the fun out of it for the enthusiast. Maybe the whole dynamic is changing and toward a more professional stance, I don't know, but if that's the way it's going to go, then maybe there should be organization and structure to it.
I would be curious to see what will happen if that direction is where the site is headed.
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11/13/2009 04:10:53 PM · #364 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
This isn't an ouitpost for professional photogs.......it's DP Challenge, and the whole tone of the place is acquiring an edge that is really taking the fun out of it for the enthusiast. Maybe the whole dynamic is changing and toward a more professional stance, I don't know, but if that's the way it's going to go, then maybe there should be organization and structure to it.
I would be curious to see what will happen if that direction is where the site is headed. |
I can see where your disconnect is and this statement really hits the mark.
You have just stated that photographers who are considered to be "pro-status" have no reason to hang around this outpost. Isn't it interesting that many of the "pro-status" photographers you seem to fear are some of the first members and contributors to this site? It is their work which had drawn you here and their work which endures and represents the excellence which encourages newbies to learn.
Now it seems your attitude has commandeered the site as you feel you have little use for those who had once so unselfishly inspired you. It is more important that you stagnate in an environment which is familiar and stand in the way of others who wish to integrate aspects which will be inclusive and forward thinking. The value of your comfort and familiarity is paramount and overshadows the wishes of those you had learned from. Maybe not all of them, but some of them.
Those "pros" who wish to be immovable beside you, are conveniently your friends. If others voice reasonable enhancements which are essential for them to feel they are also gaining benefit, you chastise and suggest bannishment.
Think it over Jeb. It is you who is standing still while the world changes. Move to the side once in a while. You still can learn something if you open your eyes. |
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11/13/2009 04:16:52 PM · #365 |
You said what I said:
"11/13/2009 02:31:28 PM
Its a young mans game Grandpa! Time to step aside and let the new class show you how its done. /sarcasm "
Except much more eloquently haha. |
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11/13/2009 04:18:51 PM · #366 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Abso-freakin'-lutely nothing whatsoever like a photography business. |
Originally posted by scalvert:
I think that may be the point. |
Yep......
I dealt with strange requests, performed a service with limited relevance in the big picture, where on a whim the entire thing could go into the toilet, yet people would spend stupid money to get what they wanted, and if you made their wishes come true, they were yours for life.
No corrollaries there, right?
AND.....blah blah blah blah blah....... |
Yep. That is just like a photography busines and makes perfect sense in a thread about watermarking images to deter thieves.
I have fully changed my mind and am now all for not putting a watermark on rebuilt cars. |
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11/13/2009 04:21:27 PM · #367 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I work with three galleries who host my work, do a little portrait work and some odd jobs, but don't really see myself getting back into something that's a niche market... |
I wonder how you'd feel if those galleries hung your work on the outside of the building, with no security cameras or theft deterrence whatsoever? Would you continue to submit your work there? |
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11/13/2009 04:21:53 PM · #368 |
Originally posted by AJSullivan:
You said what I said:
"11/13/2009 02:31:28 PM
Its a young mans game Grandpa! Time to step aside and let the new class show you how its done. /sarcasm "
Except much more eloquently haha. |
Nope, I may have said what you meant. You said what you said though you meant otherwise. ;-) |
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11/13/2009 04:22:59 PM · #369 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I work with three galleries who host my work, do a little portrait work and some odd jobs, but don't really see myself getting back into something that's a niche market... |
I wonder how you'd feel if those galleries hung your work on the outside of the building, with no security cameras or theft deterrence whatsoever? Would you continue to submit your work there? |
Or more reasonable - they let people come in with cameras and take pictures of your work, so they can just print it out themselves. |
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11/13/2009 04:24:34 PM · #370 |
Originally posted by Phil:
I have fully changed my mind and am now all for not putting a watermark on rebuilt cars. |
But, but... ALL the elitist high-end car owners are watermarking their cars. :-( |
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11/13/2009 04:28:08 PM · #371 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
This isn't an ouitpost for professional photogs.......it's DP Challenge, and the whole tone of the place is acquiring an edge that is really taking the fun out of it for the enthusiast. Maybe the whole dynamic is changing and toward a more professional stance, I don't know, but if that's the way it's going to go, then maybe there should be organization and structure to it.
I would be curious to see what will happen if that direction is where the site is headed. |
Originally posted by Ivo:
I can see where your disconnect is and this statement really hits the mark.
You have just stated that photographers who are considered to be "pro-status" have no reason to hang around this outpost. Isn't it interesting that many of the "pro-status" photographers you seem to fear are some of the first members and contributors to this site? It is their work which had drawn you here and their work which endures and represents the excellence which encourages newbies to learn.
Now it seems your attitude has commandeered the site as you feel you have little use for those who had once so unselfishly inspired you. It is more important that you stagnate in an environment which is familiar and stand in the way of others who wish to integrate aspects which will be inclusive and forward thinking. The value of your comfort and familiarity is paramount and overshadows the wishes of those you had learned from. Maybe not all of them, but some of them.
Those "pros" who wish to be immovable beside you, are conveniently your friends. If others voice reasonable enhancements which are essential for them to feel they are also gaining benefit, you chastise and suggest bannishment.
Think it over Jeb. It is you who is standing still while the world changes. Move to the side once in a while. You still can learn something if you open your eyes. |
Wow....
You certainly misread what I meant.
I have done nothing but learn and be appreciative of the people who have helped me.
If you chose not to see the last thread, of a few, that I've started, and tried somewhat unsuccessfully, to keep going where I have tried to extol the virtues and benefits of this resource, then your myopia is on you.
If you think for one second that I am not eternally grateful to the people who have been selflessly helpful, well, I don't even have the remotest idea how you could even come up with that. I have never expressed anything but gratitude, and my utmost admiration, for the immensely talented and patient people who have helped me. I will have no trouble finding threads to reference that if you like.
I even have this in bold letters on my profile page: "If this place doesn't do anything else, it'll make you work your @$$ off, and unless you're dead between the ears, you *WILL* learn! "
I have absolutely no clue what you mean by "the "pro-status" photographers you seem to fear".....WTF is THAT???
What fear? Of what? What do you mean pro-status?
I interact with a bunch of people just like myself, photographer-wise anyway, who like to take pictures, throw some shots into challenges, learn how to shoot and work my camera, and have fun.
Yeah, there are a few people I know of here that are what I guess you would call pro-status, but I don't really see them regularly as they are generally busy with their business.
If you want to read more into it than that, I don't know what to tell you.
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11/13/2009 04:31:39 PM · #372 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I work with three galleries who host my work, do a little portrait work and some odd jobs, but don't really see myself getting back into something that's a niche market... |
I wonder how you'd feel if those galleries hung your work on the outside of the building, with no security cameras or theft deterrence whatsoever? Would you continue to submit your work there? |
I don't know but going by everyone else it would seem he'd demand that the gallery owner add his name to all of his prints before feeling better about posting them online hanging them outdoors.
Message edited by author 2009-11-13 16:39:34.
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11/13/2009 04:32:35 PM · #373 |
| I would say based on my photography related income level, I am a pro-photographer. I think your definition of pro is skewed. |
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11/13/2009 04:35:54 PM · #374 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Abso-freakin'-lutely nothing whatsoever like a photography business. |
Originally posted by scalvert:
I think that may be the point. |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Yep......
I dealt with strange requests, performed a service with limited relevance in the big picture, where on a whim the entire thing could go into the toilet, yet people would spend stupid money to get what they wanted, and if you made their wishes come true, they were yours for life.
No corrollaries there, right? |
Originally posted by Phil:
Yep. That is just like a photography busines and makes perfect sense in a thread about watermarking images to deter thieves.
I have fully changed my mind and am now all for not putting a watermark on rebuilt cars. |
It's apparent that you all have the flexibility of mindset that you can draw conclusions based on your knowledge and experience of the discussion.
You go for it however you want, I'm actually quite happy in the manner which I go about making a living and being a photographer.
I had my own business, now work for someone else and go home at the end of the day and leave it behind. I spend my recreational time doing what I have an immense passion for, and I'm fortunate enough that I have been graced with being able to have some of my work have some appeal from a sales standpoint.
Oh.....and just for the record, I was referring to restored cars, not rebuilt, and if you want to get hurt, go ahead and watermark someone's restored car.
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11/13/2009 04:38:07 PM · #375 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I work with three galleries who host my work, do a little portrait work and some odd jobs, but don't really see myself getting back into something that's a niche market... |
Originally posted by scalvert:
I wonder how you'd feel if those galleries hung your work on the outside of the building, with no security cameras or theft deterrence whatsoever? Would you continue to submit your work there? |
If you can see how this is in any way a reasonable comparison, I'm at a complete loss for what to say to you.
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