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10/16/2009 11:29:34 AM · #101 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by pixelpig:
Maybe there are other critical issues than pixel size. Maybe the reason why DPC voters prefer the supersharp supersaturated shots is because of their monitors. |
I totally believe that.
R. |
I too believe that. I'm finally getting rid of my 19" almost 7 year old CRT monitor for 2 IPS LCD screens and I have to say I'm nervous because I may find many of my images too sharpened or too bright compared to my older screen. I view my images on my HDTV through my PS3 and find that some are very bright but that may be just my TV set to too high, for images anyways. It's fine when viewing movies. |
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10/16/2009 11:50:29 AM · #102 |
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by pixelpig:
Maybe there are other critical issues than pixel size. Maybe the reason why DPC voters prefer the supersharp supersaturated shots is because of their monitors. |
I totally believe that.
R. |
I too believe that. I'm finally getting rid of my 19" almost 7 year old CRT monitor for 2 IPS LCD screens and I have to say I'm nervous because I may find many of my images too sharpened or too bright compared to my older screen. I view my images on my HDTV through my PS3 and find that some are very bright but that may be just my TV set to too high, for images anyways. It's fine when viewing movies. |
It's all a big guessing game. I'd like to be free to make my own guesses.
There are DVD's you can buy to help you calibrate your big screen TV. They run you through all sorts of tests while you tweak different settings. I did it and it took me about 45 minutes. I lived with it "properly set" for years. Just recently I accidentally reset everything to default, so I re-tweaked just by my eye in just a few minutes. Now I'm much happier with the picture. Go figure. :-/
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10/16/2009 12:04:15 PM · #103 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by pixelpig:
Maybe there are other critical issues than pixel size. Maybe the reason why DPC voters prefer the supersharp supersaturated shots is because of their monitors. |
I totally believe that.
R. |
I too believe that. I'm finally getting rid of my 19" almost 7 year old CRT monitor for 2 IPS LCD screens and I have to say I'm nervous because I may find many of my images too sharpened or too bright compared to my older screen. I view my images on my HDTV through my PS3 and find that some are very bright but that may be just my TV set to too high, for images anyways. It's fine when viewing movies. |
It's all a big guessing game. I'd like to be free to make my own guesses.
There are DVD's you can buy to help you calibrate your big screen TV. They run you through all sorts of tests while you tweak different settings. I did it and it took me about 45 minutes. I lived with it "properly set" for years. Just recently I accidentally reset everything to default, so I re-tweaked just by my eye in just a few minutes. Now I'm much happier with the picture. Go figure. :-/ |
You are always free to make your own guesses. |
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10/16/2009 12:09:07 PM · #104 |
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by pixelpig:
Maybe there are other critical issues than pixel size. Maybe the reason why DPC voters prefer the supersharp supersaturated shots is because of their monitors. |
I totally believe that.
R. |
I too believe that. I'm finally getting rid of my 19" almost 7 year old CRT monitor for 2 IPS LCD screens and I have to say I'm nervous because I may find many of my images too sharpened or too bright compared to my older screen. I view my images on my HDTV through my PS3 and find that some are very bright but that may be just my TV set to too high, for images anyways. It's fine when viewing movies. |
Googled your ips lcd, & you are in for such a pleasant shock. I have gone back through my old shots with new eyes. It's fun.
I like to watch tv & movies on a different screen than the one I use for PP.
Message edited by author 2009-10-16 12:17:14. |
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10/16/2009 02:00:57 PM · #105 |
800 is definately desired by majority of people and is not so big, let's keep this site up to date. The example someone said about going to a exhibit and having the images partially covered is not valid. The correct example would be if you go to a museum with glasses that block part of your vision and you refuse to remove the glasses to see the entire image. Then it is you problem, not a problem with the images themselves.
What DPC could do to help the people who preffer to stay with their old monitors forever is to change the layout of the voting page so the upper menu and logo are positioned on either sides of the image. The same could be done to the numbers that you need to click to vote. Another thing that could be done is to change the site so this modified layout opens on a maximized popup. This popup window would not have the address bar, links bar, status bar, tabs, etc, and it would save space on the browser window to show the entire image (or almost entire).
This is a simple change that could help users complaining about higher limit. I think it can be implemented and could be something that each user choose on their preferences with a checkbox, allowing them to choose between a popup voting page and a standard voting page.
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10/16/2009 02:04:59 PM · #106 |
Originally posted by marcusvdt:
...The example someone said about going to a exhibit and having the images partially covered is not valid. The correct example would be if you go to a museum with glasses that block part of your vision and you refuse to remove the glasses to see the entire image. Then it is your problem, not a problem with the images themselves.... |
Uh huh, uh huh, yarp. These are the same people who get in my way on the sidewalk.
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10/16/2009 02:14:43 PM · #107 |
Originally posted by marcusvdt:
... The correct example would be if you go to a museum with glasses that block part of your vision and you refuse to remove the glasses to see the entire image. Then it is you problem, not a problem with the images themselves. ... |
What a F'n joke! BTW - Why did you follow-up with suggestions for DPC layout changes? Seems to me that suggests there IS a problem with going too large with challenge entries (on the vertical) for the current voting page. Sounds like the "glasses" aren't so easily removed, eh? |
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10/16/2009 02:17:21 PM · #108 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by marcusvdt:
...The example someone said about going to a exhibit and having the images partially covered is not valid. The correct example would be if you go to a museum with glasses that block part of your vision and you refuse to remove the glasses to see the entire image. Then it is your problem, not a problem with the images themselves.... |
Uh huh, uh huh, yarp. These are the same people who get in my way on the sidewalk. |
Didn't get it, sorry.
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10/16/2009 02:19:42 PM · #109 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by marcusvdt:
... The correct example would be if you go to a museum with glasses that block part of your vision and you refuse to remove the glasses to see the entire image. Then it is you problem, not a problem with the images themselves. ... |
What a F'n joke! BTW - Why did you follow-up with suggestions for DPC layout changes? Seems to me that suggests there IS a problem with going too large with challenge entries (on the vertical) for the current voting page. Sounds like the "glasses" aren't so easily removed, eh? |
I think it's a good parallel. I think the following paragraph's suggestions were meant to help the folks with the blinder-glasses. :-O
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10/16/2009 02:25:40 PM · #110 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by marcusvdt:
... The correct example would be if you go to a museum with glasses that block part of your vision and you refuse to remove the glasses to see the entire image. Then it is you problem, not a problem with the images themselves. ... |
What a F'n joke! BTW - Why did you follow-up with suggestions for DPC layout changes? Seems to me that suggests there IS a problem with going too large with challenge entries (on the vertical) for the current voting page. Sounds like the "glasses" aren't so easily removed, eh? |
Just wanted to help you people (you and the others who complained), I wondered if you have an old monitor, you would probably benefit with my suggestions to change the layout. I don't have this problem even on my laptop screen which is 1440x900 now.
If you don't like my suggestions, you can just get out on your next signature expiration (like you said), because it appears the majority of people wants 800px for the limit.
Then you can vote 1 on my photos if this makes you happy.
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10/16/2009 02:30:55 PM · #111 |
Originally posted by marcusvdt:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by marcusvdt:
... The correct example would be if you go to a museum with glasses that block part of your vision and you refuse to remove the glasses to see the entire image. Then it is you problem, not a problem with the images themselves. ... |
What a F'n joke! BTW - Why did you follow-up with suggestions for DPC layout changes? Seems to me that suggests there IS a problem with going too large with challenge entries (on the vertical) for the current voting page. Sounds like the "glasses" aren't so easily removed, eh? |
Just wanted to help you people (you and the others who complained), I wondered if you have an old monitor, you would probably benefit with my suggestions to change the layout. I don't have this problem even on my laptop screen which is 1440x900 now.
If you don't like my suggestions, you can just get out on your next signature expiration (like you said), because it appears the majority of people wants 800px for the limit.
Then you can vote 1 on my photos if this makes you happy. |
Layout of the voting page has been discussed on numerous occasions, and until it's addressed by Langdon and the site updated, I don't think we should go larger than 720 on the vertical.
As for the 1's - I'd be happy to oblige. |
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10/16/2009 02:45:15 PM · #112 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Layout of the voting page has been discussed on numerous occasions |
Thanks for letting me know, because I took my valuable time just to think about how the complains could be avoided and then wrote the text explaining my idea (at least I thought it was my idea).
Originally posted by glad2badad:
, and until it's addressed by Langdon and the site updated, I don't think we should go larger than 720 on the vertical. |
That's what YOU think, right? It looks like you will want to leave the member clan soon anyway (as you said)...
Originally posted by glad2badad:
As for the 1's - I'd be happy to oblige. |
Ok, thanks for your interest.
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10/16/2009 02:54:18 PM · #113 |
Originally posted by marcusvdt:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
, and until it's addressed by Langdon and the site updated, I don't think we should go larger than 720 on the vertical. |
That's what YOU think, right? It looks like you will want to leave the member clan soon anyway (as you said)... |
Yep, that's what I think...along with a little over 20% of the people that have responded to the poll thus far. No, not a majority by any means, but 1/5 of participants isn't small numbers either.
As for leaving, I'm thinking I have to stay around just to bug you now. :-) |
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10/16/2009 05:05:04 PM · #114 |
I'm sorry but as far as I am concerned;
People with dial-up and slow connections - too bad, you know much of the developed world runs at 100mb ADSL now, in parts of Europe and Asia, for people on dial up, do you really want the whole world to be held back just because you live in an area with such poor telecommunications?
The same goes for people with ancient PC Monitors that are of poor resolution, the world needs to move on and DPC needs to go with the changes.
Lets not keep the majority in a backward state just so the minority still feel happy. |
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10/16/2009 06:29:47 PM · #115 |
Originally posted by dd1989:
I'm sorry but as far as I am concerned;
People with dial-up and slow connections - too bad, you know much of the developed world runs at 100mb ADSL now, in parts of Europe and Asia, for people on dial up, do you really want the whole world to be held back just because you live in an area with such poor telecommunications?
The same goes for people with ancient PC Monitors that are of poor resolution, the world needs to move on and DPC needs to go with the changes.
Lets not keep the majority in a backward state just so the minority still feel happy. |
Please do not run for office, thank you.
A majority doesn't mean it negates a minority's rights to do and have whatever they want.
Here's a catch phrase to think about. Common ground. Let's see if we can reach that through dialogue. |
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10/16/2009 06:34:08 PM · #116 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by pixelpig:
Maybe there are other critical issues than pixel size. Maybe the reason why DPC voters prefer the supersharp supersaturated shots is because of their monitors. |
I totally believe that.
R. |
I too believe that. I'm finally getting rid of my 19" almost 7 year old CRT monitor for 2 IPS LCD screens and I have to say I'm nervous because I may find many of my images too sharpened or too bright compared to my older screen. I view my images on my HDTV through my PS3 and find that some are very bright but that may be just my TV set to too high, for images anyways. It's fine when viewing movies. |
It's all a big guessing game. I'd like to be free to make my own guesses.
There are DVD's you can buy to help you calibrate your big screen TV. They run you through all sorts of tests while you tweak different settings. I did it and it took me about 45 minutes. I lived with it "properly set" for years. Just recently I accidentally reset everything to default, so I re-tweaked just by my eye in just a few minutes. Now I'm much happier with the picture. Go figure. :-/ |
That happened to me with the CRT screen I'm getting rid of. I bought a Spider 3 calibrator and the colours were so so after using it. I reverted back to my own settings. I hope my new screens will calibrate well but from the reviews I've read there's not much calibration needed out of the box. Wish me luck. ;\ |
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10/16/2009 07:05:27 PM · #117 |
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by dd1989:
I'm sorry but as far as I am concerned;
People with dial-up and slow connections - too bad, you know much of the developed world runs at 100mb ADSL now, in parts of Europe and Asia, for people on dial up, do you really want the whole world to be held back just because you live in an area with such poor telecommunications?
The same goes for people with ancient PC Monitors that are of poor resolution, the world needs to move on and DPC needs to go with the changes.
Lets not keep the majority in a backward state just so the minority still feel happy. |
Please do not run for office, thank you.
A majority doesn't mean it negates a minority's rights to do and have whatever they want.
Here's a catch phrase to think about. Common ground. Let's see if we can reach that through dialogue. |
DPC isn't a democracy. |
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10/16/2009 09:24:37 PM · #118 |
Originally posted by dd1989:
People with dial-up and slow connections - too bad, you know much of the developed world runs at 100mb ADSL now, in parts of Europe and Asia, for people on dial up, do you really want the whole world to be held back just because you live in an area with such poor telecommunications? |
Since DSL can only be distributed over short distances from DSLAMs (i.e. main office), generally 2 to 3 miles maximum depending on DSL type and equipment, there's a whole lot of people even in the 'developed' world that have to settle for slower connections like dial-up or satellite. Basically, unless you live in a large population center you're out of luck. So you shouldn't assume that just because ADSL service is available where you live that that means it's also available to everyone else in the country.
Originally posted by dd1989:
The same goes for people with ancient PC Monitors that are of poor resolution, the world needs to move on and DPC needs to go with the changes.
Lets not keep the majority in a backward state just so the minority still feel happy. |
Again, not everyone has access to the latest and greatest computer technology. In fact, I'd say it's probably much more likely that people that do have access to the latest and greatest technology are the minority and those that don't are the majority. However, regardless of whether that's true or not, I think the Powers-That-Be will try to satisfy as many of both groups as possible in order to maximize their subscriber base, and that is as it should be.
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10/16/2009 09:46:26 PM · #119 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
DPC isn't a democracy. |
Let's put that to a vote
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10/16/2009 11:50:24 PM · #120 |
| We should also consider that their may be a lot of people who do not use this site because of the small photos. I recently purchased a new monitor, and found that my photos look horrendous at 640. They are better at 720, but I am sure they would look much better at 800, or even 1000. On other sites I am on, the limits are 1024 and 1MB. |
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10/17/2009 07:35:17 AM · #121 |
This is why I made a suggestion below to poll what people set the monitor resolution too. Its not about what type of monitor, LCD, CRT, big, small, whatever, but more about the proportion of the allowed image size to the most common screen resolution.
Originally posted by VitaminB:
We should also consider that their may be a lot of people who do not use this site because of the small photos. I recently purchased a new monitor, and found that my photos look horrendous at 640. They are better at 720, but I am sure they would look much better at 800, or even 1000. On other sites I am on, the limits are 1024 and 1MB. |
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10/17/2009 08:21:28 AM · #122 |
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by pixelpig:
Maybe there are other critical issues than pixel size. Maybe the reason why DPC voters prefer the supersharp supersaturated shots is because of their monitors. |
I totally believe that.
R. |
I too believe that. I'm finally getting rid of my 19" almost 7 year old CRT monitor for 2 IPS LCD screens and I have to say I'm nervous because I may find many of my images too sharpened or too bright compared to my older screen. I view my images on my HDTV through my PS3 and find that some are very bright but that may be just my TV set to too high, for images anyways. It's fine when viewing movies. |
It's all a big guessing game. I'd like to be free to make my own guesses.
There are DVD's you can buy to help you calibrate your big screen TV. They run you through all sorts of tests while you tweak different settings. I did it and it took me about 45 minutes. I lived with it "properly set" for years. Just recently I accidentally reset everything to default, so I re-tweaked just by my eye in just a few minutes. Now I'm much happier with the picture. Go figure. :-/ |
That happened to me with the CRT screen I'm getting rid of. I bought a Spider 3 calibrator and the colours were so so after using it. I reverted back to my own settings. I hope my new screens will calibrate well but from the reviews I've read there's not much calibration needed out of the box. Wish me luck. ;\ |
Sorry Jac, but I will always have this view point when it comes to technology. It should always be free from barriers to develop and become a lot better.
Would you want the new E-3 replacement to have USB 1 just because some people have PCs that don't have Hi-speed USB2? |
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10/17/2009 10:09:58 AM · #123 |
Originally posted by dd1989:
People with dial-up and slow connections - too bad, you know much of the developed world runs at 100mb ADSL now, in parts of Europe and Asia, for people on dial up, do you really want the whole world to be held back just because you live in an area with such poor telecommunications? |
Originally posted by Mick:
Since DSL can only be distributed over short distances from DSLAMs (i.e. main office), generally 2 to 3 miles maximum depending on DSL type and equipment, there's a whole lot of people even in the 'developed' world that have to settle for slower connections like dial-up or satellite. Basically, unless you live in a large population center you're out of luck. So you shouldn't assume that just because ADSL service is available where you live that that means it's also available to everyone else in the country. |
Originally posted by dd1989:
The same goes for people with ancient PC Monitors that are of poor resolution, the world needs to move on and DPC needs to go with the changes.
Lets not keep the majority in a backward state just so the minority still feel happy. |
Originally posted by Mick:
Again, not everyone has access to the latest and greatest computer technology. In fact, I'd say it's probably much more likely that people that do have access to the latest and greatest technology are the minority and those that don't are the majority. However, regardless of whether that's true or not, I think the Powers-That-Be will try to satisfy as many of both groups as possible in order to maximize their subscriber base, and that is as it should be. |
But why hold back the people who are progressing?
I hated it having dialup for the first two and a half years I was here......but that didn't mean that I thought that the site should limit users with T1 lines because I couldn't upload a challenge entry in any less than TWO MINUTES
Now I have cable.....screw DSL, it's SLOW!!!!!
But I have a four year old computer & 17" monitor, not to mention my 2005 iteration camera.
I do okay, I have a lot of fun, and it is what it is.
Do I feel that 22" monitors, and D3Xs/5D MkIIs ought to be banned 'cause I can't afford them? Heck no!!!!
Besides, I like it when I kick @$$ with my old junk! LOL!!!
I'll be buyin' that D3X cheap in a couple years when they wanna get the D6X!!!
Progress and innovation is what this venue is all about and I welcome moving towards it in any way we can.
Just because some of us cannot afford it, or choose to spend our money in different ways than the latest & greatest technology doesn't mena that this site shouldn't do whatever they want to move forward.
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10/17/2009 10:36:49 AM · #124 |
Originally posted by dd1989:
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by pixelpig:
Maybe there are other critical issues than pixel size. Maybe the reason why DPC voters prefer the supersharp supersaturated shots is because of their monitors. |
I totally believe that.
R. |
I too believe that. I'm finally getting rid of my 19" almost 7 year old CRT monitor for 2 IPS LCD screens and I have to say I'm nervous because I may find many of my images too sharpened or too bright compared to my older screen. I view my images on my HDTV through my PS3 and find that some are very bright but that may be just my TV set to too high, for images anyways. It's fine when viewing movies. |
It's all a big guessing game. I'd like to be free to make my own guesses.
There are DVD's you can buy to help you calibrate your big screen TV. They run you through all sorts of tests while you tweak different settings. I did it and it took me about 45 minutes. I lived with it "properly set" for years. Just recently I accidentally reset everything to default, so I re-tweaked just by my eye in just a few minutes. Now I'm much happier with the picture. Go figure. :-/ |
That happened to me with the CRT screen I'm getting rid of. I bought a Spider 3 calibrator and the colours were so so after using it. I reverted back to my own settings. I hope my new screens will calibrate well but from the reviews I've read there's not much calibration needed out of the box. Wish me luck. ;\ |
Sorry Jac, but I will always have this view point when it comes to technology. It should always be free from barriers to develop and become a lot better.
Would you want the new E-3 replacement to have USB 1 just because some people have PCs that don't have Hi-speed USB2? |
Sorry for what? I'm all for change. You make me out as a grinch who's against technology, quite the opposite. We're talking image size, not technological advances in monitor resolution. Frankly some images on this site should be as small as they can, and others look good in a larger size. Size does NOT matter when it comes to a beautifully crafted image. |
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10/17/2009 10:57:45 AM · #125 |
Originally posted by Jac:
We're talking image size, not technological advances in monitor resolution. Frankly some images on this site should be as small as they can, and others look good in a larger size. Size does NOT matter when it comes to a beautifully crafted image. |
Unfortunately, that's not true. The bottom line is that some sorts of images are at a disadvantage in DPC because of the limited file size. Ultra-wide shots with lots of fine detail don't work as well as they should in the smaller formats; the detail gets so small it's literally lost in the pixels. The cameras can resolve all this incredible detail, and the screens can show it, but not at 640 pixels.
A lot of us think there's a REASON the higher DPC scores tend to go to very smooth, saturated images, and this is a big part of it. The smaller the allowed image size, the more we are "selecting" towards simple, 1-dimensional imagery.
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