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 10/15/2009 06:45:05 PM · #76
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by VitaminB:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Siggav:
Lots of new laptops have only 800px high screens, so an 800px high image will make me have to scroll and loose the impact of the image since some screen space is taken up by the OS or browser bars etc. 800px wide is no problem.

I'm just one person so I'm not too invested really but yeah, 800px high pictures will look worse on my screen.

Well, the easy solution to this (if they go to 800px high) is that the score would obviously be impacted because you can't view the entire photo at once. If I have to scroll to see a challenge entry I'm thinking it will probably impact the score I give it. :-/


I would sincerely hope that people do not vote an image lower simply because they have to scroll.

I'll vote 1 on anything less than 800 pixels vertical!

And I'll encourage my homeys to do the same!
 10/15/2009 06:45:59 PM · #77
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by VitaminB:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Siggav:
Lots of new laptops have only 800px high screens, so an 800px high image will make me have to scroll and loose the impact of the image since some screen space is taken up by the OS or browser bars etc. 800px wide is no problem.

I'm just one person so I'm not too invested really but yeah, 800px high pictures will look worse on my screen.

Well, the easy solution to this (if they go to 800px high) is that the score would obviously be impacted because you can't view the entire photo at once. If I have to scroll to see a challenge entry I'm thinking it will probably impact the score I give it. :-/


I would sincerely hope that people do not vote an image lower simply because they have to scroll.

I'll vote 1 on anything less than 800 pixels vertical!

And I'll encourage my homeys to do the same!


3 or 4 one votes don't scare me!
 10/15/2009 06:46:34 PM · #78
Originally posted by Siggav:
... I just wanted to bring up my point of view.

My point of view is the only one that matters around here!
 10/15/2009 06:47:36 PM · #79
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by VitaminB:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Siggav:
Lots of new laptops have only 800px high screens, so an 800px high image will make me have to scroll and loose the impact of the image since some screen space is taken up by the OS or browser bars etc. 800px wide is no problem.

I'm just one person so I'm not too invested really but yeah, 800px high pictures will look worse on my screen.

Well, the easy solution to this (if they go to 800px high) is that the score would obviously be impacted because you can't view the entire photo at once. If I have to scroll to see a challenge entry I'm thinking it will probably impact the score I give it. :-/


I would sincerely hope that people do not vote an image lower simply because they have to scroll.

I'll vote 1 on anything less than 800 pixels vertical!

And I'll encourage my homeys to do the same!

3 or 4 one votes don't scare me!

You think that many? :-O
 10/15/2009 06:48:35 PM · #80
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
So how IS that abacus working for you?

Running out of columns ... :-(

Message edited by author 2009-10-15 18:48:47.
 10/15/2009 06:59:34 PM · #81
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
So how IS that abacus working for you?

Originally posted by GeneralE:
Running out of columns ... :-(


General-1

K10DGuy-0

8>)
 10/15/2009 07:13:25 PM · #82
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
So how IS that abacus working for you?

Originally posted by GeneralE:
Running out of columns ... :-(


General-1

K10DGuy-0

8>)


I knew he had one when I said it. DUH.
 10/15/2009 07:23:11 PM · #83
Originally posted by Strikeslip:


People who bought these mini laptops brought it on themselves, and they should man-up and be accountable for their own decisions, rather than cry and make the rest of us pay their stupid-tax.



well said.
 10/15/2009 07:35:22 PM · #84
It would be an interesting poll to see that the resolution is of people's monitors. At home, I typically set 1024x768, at work is 1280x1024. It seems as the decision to move to a maximum photo size should also be weighed against the majority resolution of peoples' monitors.

edit: If someone already mentioned that, sorry. I just haven't had a chance to read through the trail.

Message edited by author 2009-10-15 19:36:10.
 10/15/2009 08:25:55 PM · #85
I think I will join you in this fight, lol

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

I'll vote 1 on anything less than 800 pixels vertical!

And I'll encourage my homeys to do the same! [/quote]
 10/15/2009 09:45:10 PM · #86
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Siggav:
Lots of new laptops have only 800px high screens, so an 800px high image will make me have to scroll and loose the impact of the image since some screen space is taken up by the OS or browser bars etc. 800px wide is no problem.

I'm just one person so I'm not too invested really but yeah, 800px high pictures will look worse on my screen.

Well, the easy solution to this (if they go to 800px high) is that the score would obviously be impacted because you can't view the entire photo at once. If I have to scroll to see a challenge entry I'm thinking it will probably impact the score I give it. :-/


It's comments like this that scare the crap out of me. You would give a low score to the best ever image ever taken on DPC just because you had to scroll it. roflmfao Didn't think voting was such a burden to some.

BTW, I just ordered 2 22 inchers that can swivel for portraits. Bring on the 800 pixel mayhem, I got it covered. ;)
 10/15/2009 10:33:49 PM · #87
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Siggav:
Lots of new laptops have only 800px high screens, so an 800px high image will make me have to scroll and loose the impact of the image since some screen space is taken up by the OS or browser bars etc. 800px wide is no problem.

I'm just one person so I'm not too invested really but yeah, 800px high pictures will look worse on my screen.

Well, the easy solution to this (if they go to 800px high) is that the score would obviously be impacted because you can't view the entire photo at once. If I have to scroll to see a challenge entry I'm thinking it will probably impact the score I give it. :-/


It's comments like this that scare the crap out of me. You would give a low score to the best ever image ever taken on DPC just because you had to scroll it. roflmfao Didn't think voting was such a burden to some.

Here's an example...you go to a museum. You're looking forward to seeing a new exhibit and as you turn the corner you discover that all of the artwork is partially covered so that no matter how you look at it you cannot see ALL of the artwork piece at one time. It would make it difficult to view and study that piece as the artist intended if you cannot see the entire presentation in one piece.

That's the point I'm making. If you have to scroll up and down, or zoom in/out, to see a challenge entry, there's no way it will reach full potential and that will impact scoring.

A positive side effect may be that some will comment "oh, I like it without the top piece of this photo, you should consider that next time." ;-P
 10/15/2009 10:59:32 PM · #88
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

General-1

K10DGuy-0

8>)


btw. Your posts have been weirder than usual lately. You ok?
 10/16/2009 05:50:18 AM · #89
Originally posted by glad2badad:

That's the point I'm making. If you have to scroll up and down, or zoom in/out, to see a challenge entry, there's no way it will reach full potential and that will impact scoring.


Yep, exactly. I don't think many (if any) are spiteful enough to on purpose vote images they have to scroll lower. However the image won't be able to have its full impact since you'll either see it cropped or somewhat blurred which will likely lead to lower votes when compared to landscape oriented photos that can display fully on the screen.

I actually think that's happening to an extent already. I'm pretty sure that landscape oriented photos do better statistically than portrait oriented photos on DPC.
 10/16/2009 08:52:14 AM · #90
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Siggav:
Lots of new laptops have only 800px high screens, so an 800px high image will make me have to scroll and loose the impact of the image since some screen space is taken up by the OS or browser bars etc. 800px wide is no problem.

I'm just one person so I'm not too invested really but yeah, 800px high pictures will look worse on my screen.

Well, the easy solution to this (if they go to 800px high) is that the score would obviously be impacted because you can't view the entire photo at once. If I have to scroll to see a challenge entry I'm thinking it will probably impact the score I give it. :-/


It's comments like this that scare the crap out of me. You would give a low score to the best ever image ever taken on DPC just because you had to scroll it. roflmfao Didn't think voting was such a burden to some.

Here's an example...you go to a museum. You're looking forward to seeing a new exhibit and as you turn the corner you discover that all of the artwork is partially covered so that no matter how you look at it you cannot see ALL of the artwork piece at one time. It would make it difficult to view and study that piece as the artist intended if you cannot see the entire presentation in one piece.

That's the point I'm making. If you have to scroll up and down, or zoom in/out, to see a challenge entry, there's no way it will reach full potential and that will impact scoring.

A positive side effect may be that some will comment "oh, I like it without the top piece of this photo, you should consider that next time." ;-P


I already scroll up or down when viewing some images to vote on, never bothered me and it won't in the future either. I've given very high scores to images I have had to scroll to view entirely. Doing the opposite would be childish and would show a lack of sportsmanship toward the community here at DPC.

Message edited by author 2009-10-16 08:53:07.
 10/16/2009 08:55:57 AM · #91
I voted no. I would have voted yes if the poll had asked "Should we increase the file size to 300kB?"

I find the loss of details from compression (to the 200k file size) to be much much more detrimental to image quality than the pixel limit.
 10/16/2009 09:08:30 AM · #92
Originally posted by Siggav:
Originally posted by glad2badad:

That's the point I'm making. If you have to scroll up and down, or zoom in/out, to see a challenge entry, there's no way it will reach full potential and that will impact scoring.

Yep, exactly. I don't think many (if any) are spiteful enough to on purpose vote images they have to scroll lower. However the image won't be able to have its full impact since you'll either see it cropped or somewhat blurred which will likely lead to lower votes when compared to landscape oriented photos that can display fully on the screen.

I actually think that's happening to an extent already. I'm pretty sure that landscape oriented photos do better statistically than portrait oriented photos on DPC.

Thanks Sigridur. I'm glad that at least one person understands what I'm saying. :-)
 10/16/2009 09:25:21 AM · #93
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Siggav:
Originally posted by glad2badad:

That's the point I'm making. If you have to scroll up and down, or zoom in/out, to see a challenge entry, there's no way it will reach full potential and that will impact scoring.

Yep, exactly. I don't think many (if any) are spiteful enough to on purpose vote images they have to scroll lower. However the image won't be able to have its full impact since you'll either see it cropped or somewhat blurred which will likely lead to lower votes when compared to landscape oriented photos that can display fully on the screen.

I actually think that's happening to an extent already. I'm pretty sure that landscape oriented photos do better statistically than portrait oriented photos on DPC.

Thanks Sigridur. I'm glad that at least one person understands what I'm saying. :-)

I'm saying, give the photographer the choice. If I want to please 25% of the voters I'll keep it to 720 pixels tall. If I want to please 75% of the voters I'll keep it to 800 pixels tall, crop-allowing. (Percentages according to the current vote)

It's a LIMIT, not a REQUIREMENT. ;-)

Message edited by author 2009-10-16 09:26:23.
 10/16/2009 10:08:00 AM · #94
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
I'm saying, give the photographer the choice. If I want to please 25% of the voters I'll keep it to 720 pixels tall. If I want to please 75% of the voters I'll keep it to 800 pixels tall, crop-allowing. (Percentages according to the current vote)

It's a LIMIT, not a REQUIREMENT. ;-)

Those that enter a challenge and do NOT use the full 800px vertical will be penalized, I can almost guarantee it. You see it now (I've commented as such myself) in advanced editing ruleset challenges...if someone doesn't use the full 720 they get called out on it.

Comments such as yours made earlier in this thread, while likely sarcastic, may still hold some truth.

Originally posted by Strikeslip:
I'll vote 1 on anything less than 800 pixels vertical!
10/16/2009 10:09:54 AM · #95
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Changing to 800x800 would suck IMO. Horizontal scrolling issues, and if someone prefers NOT to use the full size the friggin "you didn't use the full 800" police will be out in force on down voting (kinda like DNMC). Not to mention better freebies to all the stinking places that lift images from DPC.

If this change is implemented I may seriously consider letting my membership lapse when it comes up soon. :-(


So do I.
 10/16/2009 10:15:34 AM · #96
Originally posted by eyewave:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Changing to 800x800 would suck IMO. Vertical Horizontal scrolling issues, and if someone prefers NOT to use the full size the friggin "you didn't use the full 800" police will be out in force on down voting (kinda like DNMC). Not to mention better freebies to all the stinking places that lift images from DPC.

If this change is implemented I may seriously consider letting my membership lapse when it comes up soon. :-(


So do I.
10/16/2009 10:19:23 AM · #97
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
I'm saying, give the photographer the choice. If I want to please 25% of the voters I'll keep it to 720 pixels tall. If I want to please 75% of the voters I'll keep it to 800 pixels tall, crop-allowing. (Percentages according to the current vote)

It's a LIMIT, not a REQUIREMENT. ;-)

Those that enter a challenge and do NOT use the full 800px vertical will be penalized, I can almost guarantee it. You see it now (I've commented as such myself) in advanced editing ruleset challenges...if someone doesn't use the full 720 they get called out on it.

Comments such as yours made earlier in this thread, while likely sarcastic, may still hold some truth.

Originally posted by Strikeslip:
I'll vote 1 on anything less than 800 pixels vertical!

It's all a gamble to read your audience and please the voters (if pleasing the voters is your goal). This is just one more variable. I'd like to be unlimited, pixel-wise, so I'd have complete freedom to maximize the viewing pleasure (or displeasure) of my target screen-owners in any dimension. ;-)
 10/16/2009 11:00:40 AM · #98
An interesting poll would be to find out what people here are using for their monitors. How many are laptop-only or netbook-only. How many are still using a CRT. How many digital screens are out there. It should be something in your profile, right along with the camera/lens information, it's so important. I am dependent on what I see on the monitor when I make critical PP decisions.

I recently spent $200 on a Samsung digital monitor. 1920x1080. I am very surprised at the difference it makes. It is so crisp & clear, especially noticeable in the whites & blacks. When I go to work & view the same shot on the Dell flat screen monitor I have there, I am surprised at how much more muddy the darker tones are. So, I wonder what monitors the voters are using.

Maybe there are other critical issues than pixel size. Maybe the reason why DPC voters prefer the supersharp supersaturated shots is because of their monitors. Some of the keyboard voters won't bother to scroll, so it might be good to make the top half of your image interesting. It seems strange to me to reduce a 12MP shot to 640x480, but that in itself is a skill.

This has been an interesting thread to read, whatever happens.
 10/16/2009 11:08:12 AM · #99
Originally posted by pixelpig:
Maybe there are other critical issues than pixel size. Maybe the reason why DPC voters prefer the supersharp supersaturated shots is because of their monitors.


I totally believe that.

R.
 10/16/2009 11:09:25 AM · #100
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
I'd like to be unlimited, pixel-wise, so I'd have complete freedom to maximize the viewing pleasure (or displeasure) of my target screen-owners in any dimension. ;-)


Slippy pushes for a world without limits: why am I not surprised? :-)

R.
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