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01/27/2004 01:36:39 PM · #1 |
Most interesting posts lately regarding scoring. Made me think of my own practices.
Most people like their own photographs - that seems to be a fairly safe gold standard - and most people probably use their own photographs - or their vision for their photographs - as the standard by which they judge. I see many photographs that I think are better than mine and mark them accordingly - but all photographs pass through my own personal and subjective taste filter. Some people like abstract and some people like traditional subjects - I happen to prefer the abstract to the concrete and the metaphoric to the literal - but that's me.
I see that my own average vote is 5.18 - while my average recieved is 5.48.
But what does that say?
That I _am_ better than the average bear or that I only think I am?
That I am more strict and harsh in voting than the average bear?
For the record, in the challenges I have entered my placement has never jarred me - in fact, most times I can understand it logically. Once or twice I thought "Cripes, my picture was better than that one!" but I put it down to mean spiritedness and moved along. I can never seem to take very good photographs for challenges - I am not very good at delineated creativity - mine is more the spontaneous kind - like "THERE'S a picture!"
But let's face it - judging artwork is wholly subjective. Even down to whether something meets the challenge. I did a spinning Christmas ornament in the motion challenge that few people knew was spinning and I was marked and commented accordingly. The NG was a good example where whether a photo met the title was so wide and varied amongst voters that the scoring was probably skewed accordingly. For instance, I did a still life on AIDS in Africa but possibly more people would have thought it "NG" had I gone down to the AIDS clinic and taken some photos of the people within.
Anyway - how are people stacking up - votes out versus votes in.
Paint me curious - with light, if you like.
Catherine |
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01/27/2004 01:41:43 PM · #2 |
Votes Cast: 2979
Avg Vote Cast: 6.0809
Votes Received: 3080
Avg Vote Received: 5.2227
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01/27/2004 01:44:08 PM · #3 |
I use gravity. I drop something, realise which way it went and, well, the other direction is 'up'
Alternatively,
Votes Cast: 5932
Avg Vote Cast: 4.6836
Votes Received: 16377
Avg Vote Received: 5.8993
So I think I'm better than the average, and everyone else agrees with me ? (in fact, more strongly than I do - if I follow the logic of your question)
Message edited by author 2004-01-27 13:46:16.
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01/27/2004 01:47:26 PM · #4 |
Challenges Entered: 28
Votes Cast: 6324
Avg Vote Cast: 5.4625
Votes Received: 5120
Avg Vote Received: 5.3602
Comments:
Made: 121
Helpful: 81
Received: 341
Forum Posts: 485
Profile Viewed: 1780 times(mostly by me...lol)
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01/27/2004 01:53:33 PM · #5 |
Challenges Entered: 53
Votes Cast: 10182
Avg Vote Cast: 5.1041
Votes Received: 9720
Avg Vote Received: 5.1631
I've had some real dogs............;}
pretty close stats though. |
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01/27/2004 01:58:56 PM · #6 |
Votes Cast: 2848
Avg Vote Cast: 4.7612
Votes Received: 3969
Avg Vote Received: 5.9708
I've never given a 10 out in all my votes cast, and only a few 9s. On the other end, I've never given a 1, and only a few 2s.
A 10 to me should be something that blows me away. Something that would be talked about by the world if they could see it. Something like the green-eyed Afghan girl on the cover of National Geographic.
As for my own entries, I'da given my top 3 photos, as voted by my peers, each a 7 or 8 at the most. |
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01/27/2004 01:59:41 PM · #7 |
Challenges Entered: 15
Votes Cast: 629
Avg Vote Cast: 6.1701
Votes Received: 2753
Avg Vote Received: 4.7283
# Comments:Made: 385
# Helpful: 283
# Received: 154
I generally rate higher than I receive - but my average is coming up, slowly but surely.
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01/27/2004 01:59:43 PM · #8 |
Challenges Entered: 21
Votes Cast: 4190
Avg Vote Cast: 5.6375
Votes Received: 4107
Avg Vote Received: 6.4064
Dont put too much thought into your scores to determine if your pics are good or not. The scores reflect how the public receives your photos under the challenge topic and of course how well they are done.
For instance, you could take an out of this world landscape photo that would make Ansel jealous. Post it in a portrait challenge, and there goes your average. ;)
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01/27/2004 02:00:13 PM · #9 |
Votes Cast: 16195
Avg Vote Cast: 5.2207
Votes Received: 8255
Avg Vote Received: 5.9696
The average vote received also covers 46 challenges, of which the majority of them were from a time when I didnt have a clue about photography. The average vote cast covers a lot of challenges where I went from being easily impressed to noticing more technical problems and appreciating different types of photography.
In a typical challenge of 200 submissions I will likely place my submission in the top 50%. I do not vote on images compared to my own personal feelings of whether that image is better or worse than mine. I also do not vote images based on what I have seen from other photographers outside of DPC or even compared to the other images in the same challenge.
I rarely look at images and think mine are better than those except maybe when the results of a challenge comes out and I wonder what makes that image more popular or better received than my own. I do regularly think other images are better than mine as I have quite a significant self-confidence problem with my own abilities.
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01/27/2004 02:03:25 PM · #10 |
Votes Cast: 15753
Avg Vote Cast: 5.4641
Votes Received: 7256
Avg Vote Received: 5.2468
Challenges Entered: 41
I guess I just entered to many shots just for the fun of it. But I also many times don't understand how some of my photo's scored relatively to my other entries in previous and later challenges.
Most of the stuff I enter is indeed average. I think I have nicer work outside the challenges. The time limit for the challenges is indeed limiting.
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01/27/2004 02:06:49 PM · #11 |
you could also take the percentiles for each of the challenges entered - add them up, divide by the total challenge entries and multply that by 100
ie - total percentile = 647
challenges entered 15
(647 / ( 15*100))* 100 = 43.13% compared to all others here...
i average a bit below the group average average
soup
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01/27/2004 02:09:25 PM · #12 |
Challenges Entered: 4
Votes Cast: 1647
Avg Vote Cast: 5.4712
Votes Received: 726
Avg Vote Received: 5.0785
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01/27/2004 02:13:40 PM · #13 |
Challenges Entered: 110
Votes Cast: 21155
Avg Vote Cast: 5.7757
Votes Received: 19675
Avg Vote Received: 6.0491
110 challenges! WOW!
I guess I'm an easier voter. Most people rate at least a 5, and go up from there. Very few get 4's or lower from me.
I don't feel that I measure pictures against my own, but I have found myself comparing like subjects within a challenge... I know, I know, taboo! I also use to nit pick about over sharpening and other PS errors, but now I look at an image as an image. The PS technical will come, but if you've blown the shot within the camera, then I will mark accordingly.
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01/27/2004 02:15:40 PM · #14 |
Challenges Entered: 16
Votes Cast: 4303
Avg Vote Cast: 5.5703
Votes Received: 2830
Avg Vote Received: 5.5385
MOOOOOOO! |
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01/27/2004 02:37:47 PM · #15 |
Votes Cast: 571
Avg Vote Cast: 5.7093
Votes Received: 879
Avg Vote Received: 4.9659
i give better than I receive, I feel the primary reason for this is, that I am still new to phorography, and this website. Things still aww me, and capture my eye, that it probally might not for people who have seen that type of photograph before. When it comes to my votes received, once again, I'm still new. So my pictures might not be as eyecatching as most others on the site. |
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01/27/2004 02:42:51 PM · #16 |
Challenges Entered: 78
Votes Cast: 8145
Avg Vote Cast: 5.8927
Votes Received: 15231
Avg Vote Received: 5.1962
i'm happy with 5 and over - no one is perfect ...
also remember as the site grows averages are going to drop ... all is good :)
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01/27/2004 02:57:34 PM · #17 |
Im mean with my votes - only given a 10 on a very few occasions
Challenges Entered: 19
Votes Cast: 13664
Avg Vote Cast: 4.9624
Votes Received: 3476
Avg Vote Received: 4.7261
Comments:
Made: 360
Helpful: 268
Received: 167
Forum Posts: 353
Profile Viewed: 1445 times
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01/27/2004 03:00:51 PM · #18 |
85 entered
14,941 voted on
4.4887 average vote
17.737 votes received
5.1058 ave. received
2170 comments made
1328 comment found helpful
1105 comments received
Not sure if my earlier voting changed to now, but I think I've been fairly consistent from the start. Van
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01/27/2004 03:01:38 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Catherine:
- but all photographs pass through my own personal and subjective taste filter. |
I don' think I could have said that better myself. Subjectivity is everything. If I can't relate in some way to what I see, or if the subject choice doesn't intrigue me in some way, I could care less about the technical aspects of the photograph.
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01/27/2004 03:02:09 PM · #20 |
Challenges Entered: 17
Votes Cast: 4555
Avg Vote Cast: 5.9640
Votes Received: 3657
Avg Vote Received: 4.9448
Comments:
Made: 580
Helpful: 411
Received: 215
Forum Posts: 516
Profile Viewed: 2025 times
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01/27/2004 03:03:16 PM · #21 |
Votes Cast: 1614
Avg Vote Cast: 5.2230
Votes Received: 1404
Avg Vote Received: 5.5783
Happy with my results. Maybe I am a bit stingy with my votes. |
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01/27/2004 03:15:02 PM · #22 |
Challenges Entered: 63
Votes Cast: 24808
Avg Vote Cast: 5.9502
Votes Received: 12775
Avg Vote Received: 6.3350
As far as being better than average, I am only better than the average vote that I cast. To someone who prefers abstract and metaphorical views of things, my challenge entries leave me wanting. When I shoot for a challenge, I shoot with the intention of appealing to the masses. The masses don't seem to prefer abstract and metaphors in this forum. I do some abstract and metaphorical stuff, but it's for my own personal use rather than competition.
When looking at these statistics, you have to find some way to filter in the 'forum' in which you are presenting your work. The 'challenge' creates a new set of rules for evaluating the images. You could have a beautiful photo that is appealing in all aspects, but if it doesn't meet the challenge in the viewer's eyes, it's not going to get a rating that properly reflects the image as an 'individual' image. Another factor that comes into play is that your image will be scored as to how it stacks up against other images in the challenge.
To get a 'real' feeling for whether your work is above/below average, it would possibly require a voting scale that had no 'challenge' tied to it and a way to keep your photo from being associated with other images.
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01/27/2004 07:18:33 PM · #23 |
Challenges Entered: 31
Votes Cast: 9997
Avg Vote Cast: 6.1399
Votes Received: 5284
Avg Vote Received: 6.1283
I agree with John. Just because a photo receives lower scores in particular challenge doesn't neccessarily means it is a bad photo. The score is tied to the challenge theme a lot, but on its own, it might be viewed and rated differently.
In my Avg figures I can see that I pretty much get what I give out :-)
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01/27/2004 07:31:38 PM · #24 |
Challenges Entered: 49
Votes Cast: 9905
Avg Vote Cast: 5.2236
Votes Received: 8810
Avg Vote Received: 5.0263
Comments:
Made: 1706
Helpful: 1241
Received: 468
Forum Posts: 277
I am givng more than getting but It's deserved...I could actually be voting higher, I think
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01/27/2004 07:32:20 PM · #25 |
My scores are almost identical also.
Votes Cast: 6854
Avg Vote Cast: 5.3509
Votes Received: 3388
Avg Vote Received: 5.3415
But, my rvd has moved up becuase of some good contests, my cast stays about the same...give or take a few points. |
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