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06/11/2009 10:36:40 PM · #2601 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Take some other opposite situation and insert it. The family was vegan and wants a vegan foster family rather than the hunter family. The family is pacifist and doesn't want the military foster family, etc. The problem probably arises with the practicality of honoring such wishes and where do you draw the line rather than the idea which lies behind it. |
i believe you just described the premise behind "wife swap." :P |
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06/11/2009 11:07:12 PM · #2602 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by escapetooz:
Very little my ass. |
I meant "very little" in the sense that crap happens every hour of every day. This doesn't seem to rise much above the norm. We run into bad people and we deal with it. I also was saying that I don't think they got "lucky" that the doctor let her in because my experience is far to this side rather than witnessing anybody being actually barred from an ICU. I think they got "unlucky" that they had a bitchy nurse and I even think it's possible she brought this on herself by acting like an ass and that part of the story was completely left out (I mention that possibility because I HAVE witnessed this a number of times and it does lead to you being booted from the ICU).
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I wouldn't blame her for being on high alert. Being gay makes you especially susceptible to the wiles of "bad people". I know this from personal experience. My girlfriend and I work the same job. We are both friendly, courteous, attractive, and good at what we do. She looks gay. I don't. Guess who gets more tips and generally has better days? Guess who has never been laughed at, given dirty looks, tripped, lied about in complaints to our manager, etc? Me. I never have to deal with the what happens to other people like me, bisexual daughter of an immigrant, because for all they know, I am as white bread as they come. But I've seen it first hand, and I can empathize.
Some people have more crap happen to them then say a middle class, moderately attractive, white guy just by the very nature of who they are and what they look like. And that kind of thing is harder to roll off your back than the every day bad stuff that happens to just anyone who is "neutral" in our society. Those of us that can assimilate into "normal" society have it far easier than we can ever know.
And don't get me wrong. This isn't about victimization or being "poor me". It's about not letting everyone stick their heads in the sand and pretend discrimination doesn't exist. It does. And its wrong. And it will never change if people are expected to just "deal with it" without bringing to a larger audience. To me its akin to saying Rosa Parks should have just dealt with it. I mean it was only a few more steps to the back of the bus right? In general terms if you forget the historic significance, it was a much smaller inconvenience than not being able to see a loved one in the ICU for hours.
Message edited by author 2009-06-11 23:08:31. |
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06/11/2009 11:51:39 PM · #2603 |
Originally posted by escapetooz:
This isn't about victimization or being "poor me". It's about not letting everyone stick their heads in the sand and pretend discrimination doesn't exist. It does. And its wrong. And it will never change if people are expected to just "deal with it" without bringing to a larger audience. To me its akin to saying Rosa Parks should have just dealt with it. I mean it was only a few more steps to the back of the bus right? In general terms if you forget the historic significance, it was a much smaller inconvenience than not being able to see a loved one in the ICU for hours. |
Well said.
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06/12/2009 12:29:27 AM · #2604 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Mousie:
She doesn't care enough to actually raise her child herself, but cares enough to raise a legal stink once she's handed over custody? It's not her freakin' kid anymore. No matter what her reasons are, I have little sympathy. |
I'm surprised at you, Mousie. Not because you have little sympathy; neither do I, it seems wrong to be making this lawsuit. No, what I'm surprised at is you statement that she "doesn't care enough" to raise the child herself. It's as if your perpetuating a stereotype of women who give up children for adoption, labeling them as selfish and uncaring, and this usually not the case. Indeed, it is BECAUSE she cares for her child that she gave him up for adoption, realizing that in her mental state she could not provide proper parenting, and for that she should be applauded, not chastised. |
Ooh, I knew that would get a response!
After re-iterating my core conditional, "no matter what her reasons are" (which means that, frankly, I don't care if she's not mentally capable or stuck in a bad place, that just bolsters my position) I'd like to explain why... sure, she probably weeps herself to sleep over giving up her child... you can say she's emotional about it with some certitude... but...
She didn't care enough to NOT HAVE A BABY. In an ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP.
A laudable level of care means she'd never have put a child in this position in the first place, no matter what her religion says about her duties as a wife, contraception, or abortion. I know plenty of crazy-ass people who've never had a baby by accident. People with the correct combination of parts to produce them. Care is not about making a mistake and then feeling bad about it.
Painting her as the noble victim of her overly fertile womb? Good gravy. Perhaps she truly is the victim of a cruel spouse (go go institution of heterosexual marriage!) but isn't it possible that she could have completely avoided birthing the kid that she was subsequently 'forced' to give up, regardless? Don't try to blame the father. We don't even know if the kid's his. We don't even know if the abuse is (or was?) mutual or not.
And man it makes me crazy that an unstable woman in an abusive relationship is worried about OTHER people's lifestyles. What, does she want the kid to grow up living out her family values, eventually submitting to some overbearing psycho spouse and squeezing out babies along the way to a mental breakdown? Are those the 'traditional values' she's hoping for? It's quite an example she sets.
If you can't raise a child, do everything you can not to have one. I don't see anything about that in the article... and given her cultural background... my poorly-informed guess is there were many steps available that were simply not taken.
So yeah, I blame people for having unwanted kids. Sorry. Not cool. Avoidable.
Message edited by author 2009-06-12 00:31:58. |
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06/12/2009 02:57:57 AM · #2605 |
oh well said. I see more and more the inequality that arises in an unhealthy heterosexual relationship. Not to say it doesn't happen in gay relationships as there are plenty of those that are dysfunctional as well, but at least from the get go there is no specific "role" anyone subconsciously fits into based solely on gender. Even in the least sexist male friends of mine there is still the effects of being raised in a sexist society to be seen. But this is my own experience, not trying to generalize. I've seen gay men play the battered wife and lesbian women play the overlord husband figure quite well.
So in conclusion, gay or straight or bi or tranny, anyone can be totally screwed up. :P
Mousie hit the nail on the head. If "traditional" means male overlord and female victim, count me out. If traditional means a loving relationship with give and take, then that's the kind of tradition we can all fit into, no matter our gender. |
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06/13/2009 12:27:38 PM · #2606 |
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06/15/2009 02:15:56 PM · #2607 |
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06/24/2009 06:43:28 PM · #2608 |
Somewhat amusing, despite the obvious bias... because it's true!
Graphical Overview of Same Sex Marriage Debate, v. 1.3
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06/24/2009 07:56:39 PM · #2609 |
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06/24/2009 08:26:36 PM · #2610 |
Funny, but sad....
The one I liked best was "What's non-sequitur mean? Do I look it up in a Fag-to-English dictionary?"
So typical of the kind of mentality that perpetuates the fear & hatred.
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06/24/2009 09:18:10 PM · #2611 |
"Let gay couples be as miserable as straight couples"
Ha ha ha. (can't stop laughing). |
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06/24/2009 11:47:52 PM · #2612 |
Quite amusing.
Personal fave: Jesus said pork is okay, but fags? No way!
Reminds me of this (somewhat older, but still amusing):
12 Reasons Why Gay Marriage Will Ruin Society
#1 Homosexuality is not natural, much like eyeglasses, polyester, chimpy's bunny suit, and birth control are not natural.
#2 Heterosexual marriages are valid because they produce children. Infertile couples and old people cannot get legally married because the world needs more children as slaves for multi national corporations.
#3 Obviously gay parents will raise gay children because straight parents only raise straight children that never turn out gay like Cheney's daughter.
#4 Straight marriage will be less meaningful, since Britney Spears's 55-hour just-for-fun marriage was meaningful.
#5 Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and it hasn't changed at all: women are property, Blacks can't marry Whites, and divorce is illegal. #6 Gay marriage should be decided by the people, not the courts, because the majority-elected legislatures, not courts, have historically protected the rights of minorities.
#7 Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are always imposed on the entire country. That's why we only have one religion in America.
#8 Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people makes you tall.
#9 Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage license.
#10 Children can never succeed without both male and female role models at home. That's why single parents are forbidden to raise children.
#11 Gay marriage will change the foundation of society. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and we could never adapt to new social norms because we haven't adapted to cars or longer lifespans.
#12 Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better, because a "separate but equal" institution is always constitutional. Separate schools for African-Americans worked just as well as separate marriages will for gays & lesbians. |
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06/25/2009 08:38:39 AM · #2613 |
"Heterosexual marriage is sacred" : "Las Vegas transsexual Elvis taco stand wedding followed 2 days later by divorce."
priceless! |
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06/25/2009 02:53:22 PM · #2614 |
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:
Reminds me of this (somewhat older, but still amusing):
12 Reasons Why Gay Marriage Will Ruin Society
#7 Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are always imposed on the entire country. That's why we only have one religion in America.
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The federal government is prohibited from enacting laws against a religion. Therefore, it can't have one religion.
As for government and religion, name a benevolent government without it?
Communist China
The old Soviet Union
The 3rd Reich
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:
#12 Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better, because a "separate but equal" institution is always constitutional. Separate schools for African-Americans worked just as well as separate marriages will for gays & lesbians.
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It isn't a choice to be African-American.
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06/25/2009 02:58:06 PM · #2615 |
Originally posted by Nullix:
It isn't a choice to be African-American. |
Moronic statement. See upper center of chart. |
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06/25/2009 04:29:23 PM · #2616 |
I think gay marriage is digusting and should be banned.
discuss. |
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06/25/2009 04:43:44 PM · #2617 |
Originally posted by Simms:
I think gay marriage is digusting and should be banned.
discuss. |
I twittered that to Perez and I'm waiting for the reply. ;P You are such a troublemaker Mr. Simms.
Message edited by author 2009-06-25 16:44:13. |
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06/25/2009 04:53:39 PM · #2618 |
Originally posted by Nullix:
It isn't a choice to be African-American. |
Perhaps you could support this remark?
And,these days, by virtue of emigration, it most certainly is a choice.
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06/25/2009 10:37:30 PM · #2619 |
Originally posted by Nullix:
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:
Reminds me of this (somewhat older, but still amusing):
12 Reasons Why Gay Marriage Will Ruin Society
#7 Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are always imposed on the entire country. That's why we only have one religion in America.
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The federal government is prohibited from enacting laws against a religion. Therefore, it can't have one religion.
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Ahem... tongue in cheek commentary? This isn't literal here..... |
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06/25/2009 10:47:05 PM · #2620 |
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:
Reminds me of this (somewhat older, but still amusing):
12 Reasons Why Gay Marriage Will Ruin Society
#7 Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are always imposed on the entire country. That's why we only have one religion in America.
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Originally posted by Nullix:
The federal government is prohibited from enacting laws against a religion. Therefore, it can't have one religion. |
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:
Ahem... tongue in cheek commentary? This isn't literal here..... |
I'm not sure our little friend can follow that.....
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06/25/2009 11:23:31 PM · #2621 |
Originally posted by Simms:
I think gay marriage is digusting and should be banned.
discuss. |
Why not come over for dinner at my place? My husband will barbecue something delicious for you. I guarantee the flavor of his brisket will help you keep it down in our presence, as long as you don't focus too hard on the four balls thing.
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06/25/2009 11:41:32 PM · #2622 |
gay guys. always offering someone to come savor their meat.  |
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06/25/2009 11:42:51 PM · #2623 |
Originally posted by muckpond:
gay guys. always offering someone to come savor their meat. |
A tisket, a tasket, come and feel my basket? |
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06/25/2009 11:51:02 PM · #2624 |
Dave Ross on Gov. Sanford: (exerpt, paraphrased)
... Isn't there anyone we can blame for this? Yes -- the GAYS! Conservatives like Gov. Sanford have been warning that Gay Marriage would ruin heterosexual marriage and look -- it's happening, right before our eyes!
Hopefully he'll post the entire MP3 at his site soon (look under CBS commentaries) ... |
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06/26/2009 12:01:08 AM · #2625 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by muckpond:
gay guys. always offering someone to come savor their meat. |
A tisket, a tasket, come and feel my basket? |
That was terrible. And yet I'm laughing. A lot. |
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