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06/18/2009 02:56:46 AM · #101 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by bspurgeon:
Someone humor me...other than my current Motion Panning entry what don't you like about the site? I've read the tread, and I get the sense that a few feel the site is stagnant. I would like to hear some ideas other than just new SC. Although I must admit, I'm bothered by the clutter of ancient news on the home page as that itself suggests a lack of interest in the general maintenance of the site. |
I think muckpond mentioned some things earlier about enhancing side challenge features, DPL, expert editing. There are lots of things people have been asking for, working on, working around, etc. He also mentioned (as did several others) that it is really all up to Langdon. |
Maybe Langdon could come on here and let us know what plans he has for the site over the next, say, five years? a return of DPL would be nice, so would maybe an official knock-out challenge table, that would be great. Is an increase in dimension sizes on the cards? How about a proper `internal mail system` where we could have our own mailbox on here? A return of expert editing? Some slackening of the rules, maybe the reintroduction of overlays in advanced? So many things asked so many times that have never appeared. Lets face it, photography has moved on a lot in the past 10 years regarding digital and post-processing - the site doesn't seem to keep up.
Oh, and some new faces on the SC would be nice. If its just a case of papering over the cracks adding to the existing SC then so be it, but a bit of a clearout and refresh wouldn't be a bad thing. |
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06/18/2009 02:57:09 AM · #102 |
maybe we need more spam  |
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06/18/2009 03:02:11 AM · #103 |
I also don't think we need a report button that electrocutes the reported poster. We definitely have no need for that.
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06/18/2009 03:02:19 AM · #104 |
I thought Langdon came out awhile back and said that many feature requests were on hold because he was working on a major revision that would include many of these things. That was at least a year or two ago.
I built a website for a group that I lost interest in after a couple years. It is still going strong with over 700 members (no fees) and some things are breaking and it could really use an overhaul, but it's all I can do to put bandaids on it. This may be the issue with Langdon. |
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06/18/2009 07:45:46 AM · #105 |
| Back to the topic of this thread. The count for tonight so far is 1. |
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06/18/2009 08:23:16 AM · #106 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by muckpond:
fwiw, i have moved this thread out of Rant, as i don't think it's actually a pretty productive conversation despite all of the usual threadjackers (lookin' at you, slip and ken). |
Assuming you meant that you do think it's productive, you should then also change the title of the thread that seems to have veered far from it's original purpose (or lack thereof) and abandoned by the OP. ;-) |
done, although i shouldn't be making up thread titles w/o coffee. |
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06/18/2009 08:57:55 AM · #107 |
I think a small change would go a long way here personally, even just the introduction of 1x expert editing challenge every month to paid members - this would allow the creative to flow for a lot of members who feel restricted even by the advanced editing rule set. ETA: In a challenge style environment (unlike the sidechallenges).
There's a lot that could be changed and implimented as Mark ( Simms) pointed out in a post just above this one, DPL, Mailboxes etc but just a small show of consideration from Langdon in implimenting one or two of the easier requested changes would make a huge difference and I mean how much work can it be to add 1x expert editing challenge a month to the sites inner workings?
My 0.2c
ETA: Spelling
Message edited by author 2009-06-18 08:59:10. |
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06/18/2009 09:54:18 AM · #108 |
Originally posted by MattO:
Yep but we are assured to keep the same old same old with no changes, nothing wrong with shaking things up a bit every now and then. I mean we could always hold Iranian style elections, we already have the unrest in the streets lets just add a few errant ballots cast for new SC members to make it a bit larger. :p
Matt |
Yup, and I'm ready to put on my white shirt and get my baton and beat the &*O& out of any members I meet regardless of their position on change at DPC.
I'm sure we can convince Art to burn a few villages with no regard to their desire for change. That would be the Iranian way. I guess as one person in the thread indicated, if we're not satisfied with DPC, just get the hell out. :) |
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06/18/2009 10:16:29 AM · #109 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Maybe nothing needs to be changed.
Just my two cents. |
Great idea! |
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06/18/2009 10:51:47 AM · #110 |
| I think it's extremely unfair to blame the SC for things that are out of their control. I also think it's extremely unfair to make blanket statements about the SC, when I've found a number of them to be helpful and responsive. If you have issues with certain SC members, that's one thing, but to take it out on all of them, what's the point? I assume it's a very thankless job, and if I were on the SC and doing my best and read threads like this, it wouldn't exactly inspire me! |
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06/18/2009 11:00:20 AM · #111 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
I assume it's a very thankless job, and if I were on the SC and doing my best and read threads like this, it wouldn't exactly inspire me! |
There were reported posts by several SC echoing that very sentiment. |
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06/18/2009 11:02:46 AM · #112 |
| I agree with those that would like to see the expert editing used every once in a while, and hey SC should look at the advantages, it will keep creative juices flowing and keep us occupied so us have less time to think of things to complain about.... |
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06/18/2009 11:11:16 AM · #113 |
To me this all seems like:
Shoot the messengers.
SC does not choose the challenges
SC does not decide what size photos we can upload
SC can not change the rules
Mr L is the one you should be talking to. He is the one that owns this site and makes it up.
This is his house, he built it, he makes repairs, he can do what he wants with it, we are just all guests in this house.
SC are more like the hall monitors.
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06/18/2009 11:15:04 AM · #114 |
| But we're paying guests and if Langdon's interested in the bottom line it behooves him to keep us at least semi-happy. |
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06/18/2009 11:18:00 AM · #115 |
That's the main point here really, if I paid to stay in a hotel and the room or service was not adequate I would definitely complain and would not expect to have to change hotels to get a satisfactory outcome, I would expect the hotel management to make the necessary changes to appease me.
Originally posted by BeeCee:
But we're paying guests and if Langdon's interested in the bottom line it behooves him to keep us at least semi-happy. |
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06/18/2009 11:48:09 AM · #116 |
I agree.
But in the end but the staff can not change anything, only smooth things over.
In the end it is up to the owner. He may want to change it, he may not.
We stay or we move on.
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06/18/2009 11:56:22 AM · #117 |
Originally posted by Mark-A:
That's the main point here really, if I paid to stay in a hotel and the room or service was not adequate I would definitely complain and would not expect to have to change hotels to get a satisfactory outcome, I would expect the hotel management to make the necessary changes to appease me.
Originally posted by BeeCee:
But we're paying guests and if Langdon's interested in the bottom line it behooves him to keep us at least semi-happy. |
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Expect changes to a point. There's also the philosophy that if it's not broke why fix it? I'm sure there are things that Langdon would like to do, and probably will, when time permits - however, check out the number of new users for just the past month and a half.
May 2009 - newly registered users: 683
June 2009 (thru the time of this post) - newly registered users: 367
If DPC is broken, there sure are a lot of newbies out there interested in a bad product. ???
BTW - What kind of turmoil would it cause if DPC was down for an hour? It's happened before and people were going nuts. Now, think about NO DPChallenge at all? Scary thought? Then what does that say about DPC in general?
All food for thought. :-) |
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06/18/2009 12:05:55 PM · #118 |
Originally posted by Mark-A:
That's the main point here really, if I paid to stay in a hotel and the room or service was not adequate I would definitely complain and would not expect to have to change hotels to get a satisfactory outcome, I would expect the hotel management to make the necessary changes to appease me.
Originally posted by BeeCee:
But we're paying guests and if Langdon's interested in the bottom line it behooves him to keep us at least semi-happy. |
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Well, that's a little bit off, since in a hotel there are things that you could go to health boards and things like that about, but if the services you were complaining about (let's say the hotel doesn't have free wireless) were simply add-ons or weren't required to keep the hotel running at base levels, then there is no obligation on the part of the hotel to change. Ever.
Then you WOULD have to go to another hotel.
I dunno, to me it seems like most of the requests and suggestions are about things that would just be "an added bonus" rather than anything that is required to make what we pay 'worth it'. That's my opinion of course, but when we pay, we pay with the knowledge of what we GET, not what we might get down the road. What we get right now is portfolio space, extra challenges, a couple extra forum areas, access to a print selling feature, colored icons, blah blah blah. Whether or not that is worth it to you is up to YOU, not up to Langdon. No-one is putting a gun to your head and going, "PAY NOW BITCHES!" There is nothing that says, "Pay this, and these cool new features will be coming soon!"
We can suggest features and ask for things and desire upgrades until our faces are blue (and many are), but Langdon isn't obligated to do any of it whatsoever. Whether that leads to a stagnated business down the line, who can say? The loudest voices sure like to make people believe that's the case, but only the future can tell.
But, now I ramble and get off the point, so I'll get back on it. DPC has no correlation to a hotel for such things as health issues that would be obligatory to change, so really your only options are:
1. Don't pay anything and use the free services that are offered
2. Pay for the services offered and make your suggestions, but realize that you're not paying for the future. Then anything that does improve or upgrade will be a bonus.
3. Move on if you're not happy and find a new 'hotel'. I'm NOT saying "if you don't like it, leave". I AM saying, "Be realistic and make a choice." |
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06/18/2009 12:06:25 PM · #119 |
Originally posted by Mark-A:
That's the main point here really, if I paid to stay in a hotel and the room or service was not adequate I would definitely complain and would not expect to have to change hotels to get a satisfactory outcome, I would expect the hotel management to make the necessary changes to appease me.
Originally posted by BeeCee:
But we're paying guests and if Langdon's interested in the bottom line it behooves him to keep us at least semi-happy. |
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Your analogy doesn't exactly work like you intended because making a change to how a hotel is run is not a quick enough task to appease you then and there, aside from comping a stay or something similar. Asking for a change at DPC is a little more complicated than asking for compensation for crappy room service. also, DPC hasn't done anything contrary to what you would expect, which is the case for bad room service.
Here's a better example. Let's say an imaginary traveler decides to stay at a hotel that doesn't have a pool, but he really wants to go for a swim. Would it be reasonable for him to say to the manager, "this hotel doesn't have a pool, build one. i'm a paying customer, make the change to appease me" or would he simply stay at a different hotel that has a pool? He knew ahead of time the place didn't have a pool. Now, assuming that this hotel has a lot of other perks that make it worthwhile and enjoyable, maybe if he's a more reasonable person he's willing to relax his pool requirement, but also fill out a comment card that a pool would be nice and they should think about adding one.
So, when we signed up at DPC we knew the features and perks of the site and its shortcomings and decided to become members (well, it was a gift for me, so i have no room to complain regardless). We can ask that things be changed, but we have no reason to expect them to be implemented quickly or even at all. DPC is awesome and all of it's good things far outweigh some spam, smallish file sizes, etc. There are probably other challenge sites that have the other features some would like. It's possible to belong to more than one ;)
this wasn't meant as an attack on anyone or anything of that sort, just looking at the other side of it |
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06/18/2009 12:08:25 PM · #120 |
| you know, k10dguy, i would've beat you if i didn't proofread my post 3 or 4 times :P |
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06/18/2009 12:09:04 PM · #121 |
Originally posted by steefmcbeef:
you know, k10dguy, i would've beat you if i didn't proofread my post 3 or 4 times :P |
lol. I didn't proofread at all. Should I have? (looks it over) |
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06/18/2009 12:15:21 PM · #122 |
I like it here.
Keep up all the good work that you do, SC & Langdon.
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06/18/2009 12:42:20 PM · #123 |
Ahh I am not having a go at the SC so I'd like to make that point very clear from the off :)
My hotel analogy was merely in reply to JulietNN comment "This is his house, he built it, he makes repairs, he can do what he wants with it, we are just all guests in this house. " and was only just a quick analogy that was not necessarily going to stand up under heavy scrutiny ;)
But just to take it a little further say enough guests complained to the hotel owner that the lack of a pool really let's his business down and that at the prices he is charging he really should look at installing one even if it's a small one "like the Expert editing challenge once a month idea for PAYING members only" so he doesn't let non guests enjoy the pool but his paying members are now much happier with the service and the amenities...
Just food for thought
SC do a great job from my perspective, Shannon in particular has been most helpful to me when I have had questions / queries in the past and I have no moans or complaints against any of the others at all. However, I do feel that maybe after the many threads where some select "add-ons" have been claimed to be under development I think people have a right to have a little moan in Langdons direction because I'd really like to see this site develop even though I am fairly content the way things are, that doesn't mean I will be in 6 months time. |
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06/18/2009 12:54:29 PM · #124 |
Originally posted by FireBird:
I'm sure we can convince Art to burn a few villages with no regard to their desire for change. That would be the Iranian way. |
How did you know I was Iranian?
I like DPC also, but it is frustrating when it could easily be better and continue to get better. On the other hand, change can be a double-edged sword.
My main complaint right now is that the ice machine is not working and I could use a couple extra towels in my room.
edit to add: Thanks for the thread title change. It cracks me up. Something like a news headline: "The Future of Our Planet and Male Enhancement" LOL
Message edited by author 2009-06-18 13:03:40. |
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06/18/2009 01:02:53 PM · #125 |
I like my little room here, the floor and walls are nice and soft and got this cool jacket that gives you a great big hug, and the people are so very nice, even the guy above me that likes to play with and occasionally burn his woodie...
Message edited by author 2009-06-18 13:03:10. |
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