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06/11/2009 06:23:36 PM · #151 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by karmat:
Post processing a shot does not make it yours. |
Indeed! ;-)
Your submission must be taken and post-processed by you. |
yet someone else can press the button according to rule set.
Isn't pressing a button is what taking photograph is technically. (if you are too literal).
oxy.moronic rules i would say. |
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06/11/2009 06:24:39 PM · #152 |
Originally posted by chromeydome:
There is nothing to suggest he gave that kind of direction, and a lot that suggests he didn't (including his own notes on the entered photograph!) |
Seeing as it was controlled lighting and a fully auto camera most of those directions go out the window. He told her where to point it (at him) and he may or may not have been even more specific as to angle, height, how wide, he may have given feed back... And considering the photo, angle/height and whatever is hardly a major element of the submited photo the DQ was petty and BS in my opinion.
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06/11/2009 06:25:37 PM · #153 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by chromeydome:
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Oy vey.
I wish I had the money, because if I did I'd pledge 3 memberships for newcomers or people that can't afford one for every one boycotter over something like this.
I don't have the money, but in spirit, that's what I'd do. |
Hey there, Chopper! BAM-Wow! |
I could use some BAM-Wowâ„¢ right now! :D |
After reading this thread, I could do with a Gin and Tonic! |
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06/11/2009 06:26:51 PM · #154 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by LoudDog:
So if you are Larry, would you show the picture off and say check this out, see how talented i am? See what I did? |
If Larry was able to get all of this: "stand there, crouch down and keep the camera 3 feet from the ground and point at an angle about 3 degrees up, set the camera on these exact settings, take a photo of me next to the tree, but auto focus on me and be sure to catch that mountain over there in the frame, and go a little wide so I can crop what I want, then I wait until the sun goes behind a cloud to soften the lighting and tell him to fire now quick" from the scribbled word "photo," then absolutely! That's some serious talent! |
i guess following directions could be considered talent for some people. Good point! :) |
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06/11/2009 06:26:58 PM · #155 |
Dear John,
If you are lurking about and reading this thread, then I hope you will read this note too. You know I'm one of your biggest fans and just love your phenomenal work! If you pulled your profile to pout about your DQ, then I understand. Truly, I do! However, please know that you punish not the SC for what you may feel is a questionable and perhaps unreasonable decision, but rather all of your fans instead. We don't always agree with the SC, but sometimes we have to learn to get happy in the same shoes in which we are unhappy and still enjoy the DPC experience and the friends we've made.
Perhaps, after some time has passed and your thoughts have cooled, you will miss us as much as we miss your beautiful photos. After all, who else will help me convince the irascible  Yanko about the true meaning of Art?!
I hope you recovered well from your surgery.
-M |
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06/11/2009 06:27:50 PM · #156 |
Originally posted by LoudDog:
And considering the photo, angle/height and whatever is hardly a major element of the submited photo the DQ was petty and BS in my opinion. |
The photo wasn't a major element in the photo??
Wow, it was an anti-photo?
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06/11/2009 06:30:38 PM · #157 |
Originally posted by Simms:
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Originally posted by Simms:
Originally posted by LoudDog:
If I ask Larry to take my picture next to a tree of course it is not a photo I took. But, if I tell Larry to stand there, crouch down and keep the camera 3 feet from the ground and point at an angle about 3 degrees up, set the camera on these exact settings, take a photo of me next to the tree, but auto focus on me and be sure to catch that mountain over there in the frame, and go a little wide so I can crop what I want, then I wait until the sun goes behind a cloud to soften the lighting and tell him to fire now quick. Larry emails me the original and I post process it by converting to black and white, re-size, add some contrast, some other stuff, then add a border and a funny caption to the photo (all stuff legal in the current DPC challenge for the sake of argument), you bet your ass it̢۪s my photo! |
No its not.. it is still Larrys photo. I refer you back to my brilliant argument with the great picture of the motorcyclists.. |
So if you are Larry, would you show the picture off and say check this out, see how talented i am? See what I did? |
Yup I would, because technically I did..
OK, how about this one taking your point from the previous post (with the setup etc)..
A New restaurant opens in town, on the sign it proclaims "come and enjoy a meal made by Celebrity chef Gordon Ramsey".
Wow, Gordon Ramsey, I`m there - so you go along and book your table, you have an exquisite meal - its costs in excess of $200 but what the heck, this is a dinner by Gordon Ramsey. However you ask to see the chef to congratulate him on this culinery masterpiece, you are shocked when you are invited into the kitchen to meet the chef, then you see its not Gordon Ramsey but its a teenager called Bill.. But I thought the meal was cooked by Gordon Ramsey, then you spy a book open called "My Best Meals - By Gordon Ramsey".. Bill says "Well Loud-Dog, technically it is a dinner by Gordon Ramsey, he told me via his book, what ingredients to use, in what quantities, and how long to cook them, so yes, this meal was by Gordon Ramsey - that will be $200 please.."
Did Gordon cook this meal, or was it Bill?? Would you feel ripped off? I would. |
Two things
1. Pretty shallow of you for taking credit for someone elses idea, just for following directions and pressing a button.
2. Do you think Gordon Ramsey cooks every meal at every one of his resturants and still has time to do all the TV shows? Maybe it is other chefs cooking to his recipies and standards with his direction???? maybe? |
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06/11/2009 06:33:00 PM · #158 |
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Originally posted by Simms:
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Originally posted by Simms:
Originally posted by LoudDog:
If I ask Larry to take my picture next to a tree of course it is not a photo I took. But, if I tell Larry to stand there, crouch down and keep the camera 3 feet from the ground and point at an angle about 3 degrees up, set the camera on these exact settings, take a photo of me next to the tree, but auto focus on me and be sure to catch that mountain over there in the frame, and go a little wide so I can crop what I want, then I wait until the sun goes behind a cloud to soften the lighting and tell him to fire now quick. Larry emails me the original and I post process it by converting to black and white, re-size, add some contrast, some other stuff, then add a border and a funny caption to the photo (all stuff legal in the current DPC challenge for the sake of argument), you bet your ass it̢۪s my photo! |
No its not.. it is still Larrys photo. I refer you back to my brilliant argument with the great picture of the motorcyclists.. |
So if you are Larry, would you show the picture off and say check this out, see how talented i am? See what I did? |
Yup I would, because technically I did..
OK, how about this one taking your point from the previous post (with the setup etc)..
A New restaurant opens in town, on the sign it proclaims "come and enjoy a meal made by Celebrity chef Gordon Ramsey".
Wow, Gordon Ramsey, I`m there - so you go along and book your table, you have an exquisite meal - its costs in excess of $200 but what the heck, this is a dinner by Gordon Ramsey. However you ask to see the chef to congratulate him on this culinery masterpiece, you are shocked when you are invited into the kitchen to meet the chef, then you see its not Gordon Ramsey but its a teenager called Bill.. But I thought the meal was cooked by Gordon Ramsey, then you spy a book open called "My Best Meals - By Gordon Ramsey".. Bill says "Well Loud-Dog, technically it is a dinner by Gordon Ramsey, he told me via his book, what ingredients to use, in what quantities, and how long to cook them, so yes, this meal was by Gordon Ramsey - that will be $200 please.."
Did Gordon cook this meal, or was it Bill?? Would you feel ripped off? I would. |
Two things
1. Pretty shallow of you for taking credit for someone elses idea, just for following directions and pressing a button.
2. Do you think Gordon Ramsey cooks every meal at every one of his resturants and still has time to do all the TV shows? Maybe it is other chefs cooking to his recipies and standards with his direction???? maybe? |
You didnt answer the question.
But taking into account your point number 2. Who would you say cooks the meals though, even though they are following his direction.. Gordon or the Chef??
we're getting there.
Message edited by author 2009-06-11 18:34:21. |
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06/11/2009 06:33:27 PM · #159 |
Originally posted by Simms:
Originally posted by LoudDog:
And considering the photo, angle/height and whatever is hardly a major element of the submited photo the DQ was petty and BS in my opinion. |
The photo wasn't a major element in the photo??
Wow, it was an anti-photo? |
Now why would you quote me and misquote me at the same time? That is not what I said! |
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06/11/2009 06:35:32 PM · #160 |
Originally posted by Simms:
You didnt answer the question. |
Sorry, I would not be pissed because I'm not stupid enough to think he cooks every meal at each place he owns or is listed as executive chef. |
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06/11/2009 06:36:55 PM · #161 |
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Originally posted by Simms:
You didnt answer the question. |
Sorry, I would not be pissed because I'm not stupid enough to think he cooks every meal at each place he owns or is listed as executive chef. |
OK, and now point number 2....
come on, just a little bit more... who cooked the meal? Gordon Ramsey or the chef who actually put the ingredients together....
Answer that and I will let you out of that corner you are backed into. |
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06/11/2009 06:38:35 PM · #162 |
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Originally posted by chromeydome:
There is nothing to suggest he gave that kind of direction, and a lot that suggests he didn't (including his own notes on the entered photograph!) |
Seeing as it was controlled lighting and a fully auto camera most of those directions go out the window. He told her where to point it (at him) and he may or may not have been even more specific as to angle, height, how wide, he may have given feed back... And considering the photo, angle/height and whatever is hardly a major element of the submited photo the DQ was petty and BS in my opinion. |
But it is You who is fabricating all of these possibilities that might have been considered if they existed, and then claiming the actual DQ in actual circumstances where these possiblities do not exist is bogus--the photographer's own comments do not support your endless what-ifs, and that includes his own pasting of his own complaint email to the SC in the image notes. He, in protesting the the DQ, only added that the camera was fully automatic, with no settings to set. Surely, if he had directed several shots in sequence until he got just what he was after, he would have mentioned it himself.
The real question here is becoming not whether the DQ was valid, but why do you feel the need to pursue this? Did Larry claim credit for the shot of you, the tree, and the mountain, and you never got your rightful credit for 75th place so long ago? [/snark] |
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06/11/2009 06:43:19 PM · #163 |
Originally posted by zxaar:
Isn't pressing a button is what taking photograph is technically. |
Again, use a little common sense. My wife took this shot with a wired remote. I'd tell her when to press the button or tap my foot, and she'd fire off a burst. It was 3am, and she was literally falling asleep on the couch... eyes closed, and not even facing me or the camera (I had to wake her up a few times). Surely you can understand the difference between something like that and "take my picture"...? My wife was acting as nothing more than a voice-controlled shutter button. I setup and directed the shot, and therefore the photo belongs to me. All John did was ask to have his picture taken– essentially making HIM the voice-controlled shutter button, and thus the photo belongs to her. |
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06/11/2009 06:44:42 PM · #164 |
| How about we just do away with the lamest rule in the book? Ever heard of the auto timer function? A remote? There's no reason to have someone else take your picture except of course in this one instance where you're physically incapacitated yet it is in this one valid instance you get DQ for it. Go figure. |
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06/11/2009 06:50:29 PM · #165 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Ever heard of the auto timer function? A remote? There's no reason to have someone else take your picture except of course in this one instance where you're physically incapacitated... |
The example I just posted required a person to press the shutter button. My remote isn't long enough, I don't have a wireless remote (too expensive on the advanced Canon DSLRs), and the self-timer won't shoot a burst (the hanging objects rotated at the slightest touch or breeze). Requiring the submission to be your own work shouldn't take a rocket scientist to understand. |
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06/11/2009 06:50:46 PM · #166 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by zxaar:
Isn't pressing a button is what taking photograph is technically. |
Again, use a little common sense. My wife took this shot with a wired remote. I'd tell her when to press the button or tap my foot, and she'd fire off a burst. It was 3am, and she was literally falling asleep on the couch... eyes closed, and not even facing me or the camera (I had to wake her up a few times). Surely you can understand the difference between something like that and "take my picture"...? My wife was acting as nothing more than a voice-controlled shutter button. I setup and directed the shot, and therefore the photo belongs to me. All John did was ask to have his picture taken– essentially making HIM the voice-controlled shutter button, and thus the photo belongs to her. |
there is no scope for common sense, because you are too bent to take rules literally yourself.
So literally:
1. holding a camera and pressing a button is taking photo. (no scope for debate).
2. Rules says you must take your photo.
if common sense was used i would see that the person is tied to bed and wanted to take self portrait to submit to dpc. But we are talking about whether it follows rule or not.
technically untill you press button you have not taken photo. So all such photos should be disqualified. |
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06/11/2009 06:52:55 PM · #167 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by zxaar:
Isn't pressing a button is what taking photograph is technically. |
Again, use a little common sense. My wife took this shot with a wired remote. I'd tell her when to press the button or tap my foot, and she'd fire off a burst. It was 3am, and she was literally falling asleep on the couch... eyes closed, and not even facing me or the camera (I had to wake her up a few times). Surely you can understand the difference between something like that and "take my picture"...? My wife was acting as nothing more than a voice-controlled shutter button. I setup and directed the shot, and therefore the photo belongs to me. All John did was ask to have his picture taken– essentially making HIM the voice-controlled shutter button, and thus the photo belongs to her. |
Talk about spliting hairs. In both instances the wives did little more than press the shutter. Why don't you just come out and say you believe jlanoue is lying and that he didn't instruct his wife in anyway. If he did instruct his wife prior to her taking the photo than it's no different than what you did. |
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06/11/2009 06:55:22 PM · #168 |
Originally posted by zxaar:
there is no scope for common sense, because you are too bent to take rules literally yourself.
So literally:
1. holding a camera and pressing a button is taking photo. (no scope for debate).
2. Rules says you must take your photo.
if common sense was used i would see that the person is tied to bed and wanted to take self portrait to submit to dpc. But we are talking about whether it follows rule or not.
technically untill you press button you have not taken photo. So all such photos should be disqualified. |
You might want to review the rule you're quoting because you're forgetting a big part of it: "Someone else may press the shutter button if you set up the shot and the camera settings." John did not set up the shot in any sense. He simply asked someone to take his picture. When someone asks you to take their photo, does that make them the photographer? |
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06/11/2009 06:56:23 PM · #169 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by zxaar:
Isn't pressing a button is what taking photograph is technically. |
Again, use a little common sense. My wife took this shot with a wired remote. I'd tell her when to press the button or tap my foot, and she'd fire off a burst. It was 3am, and she was literally falling asleep on the couch... eyes closed, and not even facing me or the camera (I had to wake her up a few times). Surely you can understand the difference between something like that and "take my picture"...? My wife was acting as nothing more than a voice-controlled shutter button. I setup and directed the shot, and therefore the photo belongs to me. All John did was ask to have his picture taken– essentially making HIM the voice-controlled shutter button, and thus the photo belongs to her. |
Talk about spliting hairs. In both instances the wives did little more than press the shutter. Why don't you just come out and say you believe jlanoue is lying and that he didn't instruct his wife in anyway. If he did instruct his wife prior to her taking the photo than it's no different than what you did. |
Yanko, I'll happily come out and say that, yeah, I believe the guy had no input at all other than scratching the word photo on a piece of paper. I believe she took the photo and he thought he could use it for his entry. He got DQ'd, he got all bitchy, he left. End of. |
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06/11/2009 06:58:57 PM · #170 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by yanko:
Ever heard of the auto timer function? A remote? There's no reason to have someone else take your picture except of course in this one instance where you're physically incapacitated... |
The example I just posted required a person to press the shutter button. My remote isn't long enough, I don't have a wireless remote (too expensive on the advanced Canon DSLRs), and the self-timer won't shoot a burst (the hanging objects rotated at the slightest touch or breeze). Requiring the submission to be your own work shouldn't take a rocket scientist to understand. |
Then setup the shot another way if you can't take the photo yourself. Not rocket science either. :) |
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06/11/2009 06:59:57 PM · #171 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Talk about spliting hairs. In both instances the wives did little more than press the shutter. Why don't you just come out and say you believe jlanoue is lying and that he didn't instruct his wife in anyway. If he did instruct his wife prior to her taking the photo than it's no different than what you did. |
So what John did is no different from me setting up the shot on a tripod with a polarizer at a particular height and angle, arranging lights, taking test exposures with my wife as a stand-in for composition, and calling out timing for each burst. Gee, I could have saved so much time by simply walking into the room and saying, "Picture." Thanks for the tip! |
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06/11/2009 07:00:08 PM · #172 |
Originally posted by Simms:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by zxaar:
Isn't pressing a button is what taking photograph is technically. |
Again, use a little common sense. My wife took this shot with a wired remote. I'd tell her when to press the button or tap my foot, and she'd fire off a burst. It was 3am, and she was literally falling asleep on the couch... eyes closed, and not even facing me or the camera (I had to wake her up a few times). Surely you can understand the difference between something like that and "take my picture"...? My wife was acting as nothing more than a voice-controlled shutter button. I setup and directed the shot, and therefore the photo belongs to me. All John did was ask to have his picture taken– essentially making HIM the voice-controlled shutter button, and thus the photo belongs to her. |
Talk about spliting hairs. In both instances the wives did little more than press the shutter. Why don't you just come out and say you believe jlanoue is lying and that he didn't instruct his wife in anyway. If he did instruct his wife prior to her taking the photo than it's no different than what you did. |
Yanko, I'll happily come out and say that, yeah, I believe the guy had no input at all other than scratching the word photo on a piece of paper. I believe she took the photo and he thought he could use it for his entry. He got DQ'd, he got all bitchy, he left. End of. |
Great. Maybe you should be on the SC instead? :P |
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06/11/2009 07:02:10 PM · #173 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Then setup the shot another way if you can't take the photo yourself. Not rocket science either. :) |
No need. The rules allow for someone else to press the shutter button once you have it all arranged. |
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06/11/2009 07:10:09 PM · #174 |
All I can say is OMFG, this thread is still going on... and no one has posted the inevitable popcorn or dead horse animations?
This thread is one reason I an *so* glad that I am no longer on SC, and my sincerest sympathy goes out to my compatriots who still are. |
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06/11/2009 07:10:46 PM · #175 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by Simms:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by zxaar:
Isn't pressing a button is what taking photograph is technically. |
Again, use a little common sense. My wife took this shot with a wired remote. I'd tell her when to press the button or tap my foot, and she'd fire off a burst. It was 3am, and she was literally falling asleep on the couch... eyes closed, and not even facing me or the camera (I had to wake her up a few times). Surely you can understand the difference between something like that and "take my picture"...? My wife was acting as nothing more than a voice-controlled shutter button. I setup and directed the shot, and therefore the photo belongs to me. All John did was ask to have his picture taken– essentially making HIM the voice-controlled shutter button, and thus the photo belongs to her. |
Talk about spliting hairs. In both instances the wives did little more than press the shutter. Why don't you just come out and say you believe jlanoue is lying and that he didn't instruct his wife in anyway. If he did instruct his wife prior to her taking the photo than it's no different than what you did. |
Yanko, I'll happily come out and say that, yeah, I believe the guy had no input at all other than scratching the word photo on a piece of paper. I believe she took the photo and he thought he could use it for his entry. He got DQ'd, he got all bitchy, he left. End of. |
Great. Maybe you should be on the SC instead? :P |
You couldn't pay me enough. |
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