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 06/11/2009 05:33:02 PM · #126
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by zxaar:
Just because you asked someone to click does not make it yours than. is this what you are saying.

Yes, that's what I'm saying, and that's what the rules already indicate. You can setup a photo and ask someone else to press the button, but merely asking someone to take a picture does not constitute setting up a shot. I tripod is not necessary- maybe you're panning an action shot, for example, but merely scribbling 'picture' on a piece of paper is not enough to make the copyright yours (a basic requirement of both the rules and the ToS).


Can you say with conviction that all he did was scribble on a piece of paper? Yes or no please.
 06/11/2009 05:36:02 PM · #127
Originally posted by Chinarosepetal:
Poor guy, I expect he was seriously, seriously traumatised by his near death experience. He entered his photo as maybe a bit of therapy, his way of sharing what happened to him? Who knows, but maybe the DQ of an image of him lying in intensive care, an image he wanted to share with us, was a step too far, it was certainly a highly inappropriate action in my opinion, given the circumstances. There are times when rules don't apply, this was one of them.


I think this is the only argument that holds water. It did seem unnecessary to DQ a 75th placed entry. But read the personal forums--there are a lot of people who are going through terribly difficult times in their lives. Where do you stop making exceptions?
 06/11/2009 05:41:30 PM · #128
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by zxaar:
Just because you asked someone to click does not make it yours than. is this what you are saying.

Yes, that's what I'm saying, and that's what the rules already indicate. You can setup a photo and ask someone else to press the button, but merely asking someone to take a picture does not constitute setting up a shot. I tripod is not necessary- maybe you're panning an action shot, for example, but merely scribbling 'picture' on a piece of paper is not enough to make the copyright yours (a basic requirement of both the rules and the ToS).


Can you say with conviction that all he did was scribble on a piece of paper? Yes or no please.


Yes - according to what he stated.
 06/11/2009 05:42:11 PM · #129
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by Chinarosepetal:
Poor guy, I expect he was seriously, seriously traumatised by his near death experience. He entered his photo as maybe a bit of therapy, his way of sharing what happened to him? Who knows, but maybe the DQ of an image of him lying in intensive care, an image he wanted to share with us, was a step too far, it was certainly a highly inappropriate action in my opinion, given the circumstances. There are times when rules don't apply, this was one of them.


I think this is the only argument that holds water. It did seem unnecessary to DQ a 75th placed entry. But read the personal forums--there are a lot of people who are going through terribly difficult times in their lives. Where do you stop making exceptions?


can you even imagine the forum storms that would result if we tried to do this.

"I know this shot is out of date, but she is having such a hard time right now. . . "

"I know you can't spot edit in basic, but his life is a shambles right now. . ."

I truly hate that what should have been an ordinary procedure for something turned into a harrowing ordeal, and I'm glad he seems to have recovered fully. The rules are in place for every entry, not just those of us that are healthy, happy, and/or having a grand ole time in life.
 06/11/2009 05:44:12 PM · #130
Originally posted by Chinarosepetal:
Poor guy, I expect he was seriously, seriously traumatised by his near death experience. He entered his photo as maybe a bit of therapy, his way of sharing what happened to him? Who knows, but maybe the DQ of an image of him lying in intensive care, an image he wanted to share with us, was a step too far, it was certainly a highly inappropriate action in my opinion, given the circumstances. There are times when rules don't apply, this was one of them.


If he had started a forum thread and posted that image, that would have met the sharing criteria. Entering it in a challenge, wondering "aloud" in the comments if it could be DQ'd because all he had done was ask his girlfriend to take the shot both puts the image itself under the challenge entry rule set, and directly asks the question, pointing to the potential rule violation.

Your trauma comments are apt, as he clearly wanted to share the experience. And it is quite possible, based on my own experiences, that the serious physical trauma, treatment, medication, and ongoing recovery are affecting his reactions to things. In a somewhat similar circumstance, I found that for several months I was not quite my normal self. On that, of course, we have no idea, but can only wish him a speedy and complete recovery.

But the arguments in this thread in favor of "I asked someone to take a picture with a camera that they positioned, pointed, and pressed the shutter release, and I should be able to claim photographer credit for it" are ludicrous.
 06/11/2009 05:44:34 PM · #131
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by zxaar:
Just because you asked someone to click does not make it yours than. is this what you are saying.

Yes, that's what I'm saying, and that's what the rules already indicate. You can setup a photo and ask someone else to press the button, but merely asking someone to take a picture does not constitute setting up a shot. I tripod is not necessary- maybe you're panning an action shot, for example, but merely scribbling 'picture' on a piece of paper is not enough to make the copyright yours (a basic requirement of both the rules and the ToS).


Can you say with conviction that all he did was scribble on a piece of paper? Yes or no please.


I'm not scalvert (a fact that makes his wife very happy), but based on what he said on the picture, and through subsequent correspondence with him via tickets, I saw nothing that would lead me to believe he did anything beyond that. So, to answer your question, yes.

I may go back and re-read it more carefully later (there were several back and forths), but based on my initial reading, yes.
 06/11/2009 05:50:22 PM · #132
Originally posted by Chinarosepetal:
Poor guy, I expect he was seriously, seriously traumatised by his near death experience. He entered his photo as maybe a bit of therapy, his way of sharing what happened to him? Who knows, but maybe the DQ of an image of him lying in intensive care, an image he wanted to share with us, was a step too far, it was certainly a highly inappropriate action in my opinion, given the circumstances. There are times when rules don't apply, this was one of them.


I think we all feel for him and will miss his photos but you can share photos on this site without them being in a competition. If you want to compete then the rules are the rules. It would be hard for the SC to make exceptions without starting an even bigger mess so they need to apply rules as written otherwise every DQ would be contested.
 06/11/2009 05:51:03 PM · #133
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by zxaar:
Just because you asked someone to click does not make it yours than. is this what you are saying.

Yes, that's what I'm saying, and that's what the rules already indicate. You can setup a photo and ask someone else to press the button, but merely asking someone to take a picture does not constitute setting up a shot. I tripod is not necessary- maybe you're panning an action shot, for example, but merely scribbling 'picture' on a piece of paper is not enough to make the copyright yours (a basic requirement of both the rules and the ToS).


Can you say with conviction that all he did was scribble on a piece of paper? Yes or no please.


I'm not scalvert (a fact that makes his wife very happy), but based on what he said on the picture, and through subsequent correspondence with him via tickets, I saw nothing that would lead me to believe he did anything beyond that. So, to answer your question, yes.

I may go back and re-read it more carefully later (there were several back and forths), but based on my initial reading, yes.


He post processed it, so you are already very wrong.
 06/11/2009 05:53:12 PM · #134
I’m not going to bother answering all the questions and scenarios and straw man arguments. I came to the conclusion that the DQ was BS based on all of the following (and possibly more as I may have missed/forgot something) taken as a whole and not each individual one separately. So please stop asking scenarios that include only one or two of my reasons!

1. Simple snap shot of a stationary subject where he gave direction to shoot said subject can be defined as he set it up.
2. The photo was his idea.
3. It was impossible for him to compose the shot on a tripod.
4. It is not unreasonable to think he may have had a great role in the composition by giving direction or disproving shots until it was what he wanted.
5. He had full capability to crop the image as he wanted.
6. The camera had no settings so no argument about that.
7. He post processed the photo, added his border and his text.
8. The photo itself is nothing more then a snap shot of a subject. The photo lives and dies on the post processing (border and text).
9. Any angle difference that may have resulted if he himself did set it up on a tripod would have little to no effect on the overall image after post processing.
10. SC did not clarify anything with him before DQ.

If I call my cousin Jimmy in Alaska and ask him to take a picture of a moose, of course it’s not my picture. I’m not stupid. But if I set up a trail cam miles from me to take photos when it senses motion and it catches a moose, that is my photo.

If I ask Larry to take my picture next to a tree of course it is not a photo I took. But, if I tell Larry to stand there, crouch down and keep the camera 3 feet from the ground and point at an angle about 3 degrees up, set the camera on these exact settings, take a photo of me next to the tree, but auto focus on me and be sure to catch that mountain over there in the frame, and go a little wide so I can crop what I want, then I wait until the sun goes behind a cloud to soften the lighting and tell him to fire now quick. Larry emails me the original and I post process it by converting to black and white, re-size, add some contrast, some other stuff, then add a border and a funny caption to the photo (all stuff legal in the current DPC challenge for the sake of argument), you bet your ass it’s my photo! There is no difference between that and using a tripod. And it is quite possible that is exactly what happened here, but SC DQ’d it without asking so we will never know.
06/11/2009 05:54:29 PM · #135
- If you want to stop the discussion...

Penalties:
An entry will be disqualified when a majority of the Site Council finds that any of the rules above were not followed.

- If you want to enhance the discussion...

Define what is to set up a shot... my english skills dont allow me...

PS. Personally i think that the DQ was OK... mainly considering that the guy itself thought he was going to be DQd,,,

06/11/2009 05:55:58 PM · #136
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by zxaar:
Just because you asked someone to click does not make it yours than. is this what you are saying.

Yes, that's what I'm saying, and that's what the rules already indicate. You can setup a photo and ask someone else to press the button, but merely asking someone to take a picture does not constitute setting up a shot. I tripod is not necessary- maybe you're panning an action shot, for example, but merely scribbling 'picture' on a piece of paper is not enough to make the copyright yours (a basic requirement of both the rules and the ToS).


Can you say with conviction that all he did was scribble on a piece of paper? Yes or no please.


I'm not scalvert (a fact that makes his wife very happy), but based on what he said on the picture, and through subsequent correspondence with him via tickets, I saw nothing that would lead me to believe he did anything beyond that. So, to answer your question, yes.

I may go back and re-read it more carefully later (there were several back and forths), but based on my initial reading, yes.


He post processed it, so you are already very wrong.


I was talking about the initializing of the shot and the composition. He may have very well post-processed it, but with regards to getting the shot taken, all he did was scribble picture. You have been given many relevant and related examples as to WHY that would not make it his shot. That you choose to not accept it is your personal prerogative, but it does not, in any way change the fact that this was not his shot. Composition is much more than just pointing a camera. You know that -- there are an infinite number of ways this *could* have been composed -- SHE chose the composition that was used.

Post processing a shot does not make it yours.
 06/11/2009 05:58:16 PM · #137
I am on the fence for this one. I believe that as long as the rule anyone can press the button exists, Then it should not matter who takes the photo providing the photographer/member/registered user provides the input for composition/framing lighting etc.. If he directed the shot with full automatic settings then looked at the shot afterwards to make sure it is exactly the way he asked it be be taken. He certainly took part in that effort.

I do not disagree with SC's decision here as they have to make a decision and they did just that. Never will a 100% of DPCers agree with them. I have been on both sides in that respect.

That said. I do think DPC needs to be updated as it has fallen a bit behind the times with the current rule sets vs newer technology etc. I think that many of you probably feel the same. So I encourage you to stop paying your membership. I seriously doubt any changes will be made as long as a profit is. My membership is due to expire in a few days and I am 50/50 on my decision to renew. I have several reasons for wanting to renew but I also have several reasons to not do it. Money is an issue right now and like I said. DPC is very slow to give the PAYING MEMBERS what they want or ask for (example: larger photo size) We have put up with spammers and trolls etc for a long time. No progress has been made in those cases. They both still exist.

I have seen several really good photographers leave DPC since I have been here and quite a few others who barely participate in the challenges and forums anymore. They may all have different reasons or maybe they dislike the reasons that have me wondering if it is worth the money. Rules are Rules but sometimes Rules are meant to be broken or at very least adjusted to fit the times.

Either way, Another decision has been made and another good photographer has been led away from DPC. I am sure more will be lost if things are not revamped a little bit. Rules that are more clear and understandable. Photo sizes that adapt to the larger images cameras are taking now. Better communication between the site and its members and most importantly a non bias SC. Although everyone has a right to an oppinion SC are referees and durning the game the referees are not entitled to oppinions they are their to be fare and level. Too many times I have seen some SC members argue their point for hours treating people who actually pay for their memberships like 2nd rate citizens and I believe that is not acceptable. This post will probably spark a fuse with a few of them now, However I am only stating my oppinion which I have a right to do.

Time for an overhaul!!!!!

Message edited by author 2009-06-11 18:01:45.
 06/11/2009 05:58:51 PM · #138
Originally posted by LoudDog:

If I ask Larry to take my picture next to a tree of course it is not a photo I took. But, if I tell Larry to stand there, crouch down and keep the camera 3 feet from the ground and point at an angle about 3 degrees up, set the camera on these exact settings, take a photo of me next to the tree, but auto focus on me and be sure to catch that mountain over there in the frame, and go a little wide so I can crop what I want, then I wait until the sun goes behind a cloud to soften the lighting and tell him to fire now quick. Larry emails me the original and I post process it by converting to black and white, re-size, add some contrast, some other stuff, then add a border and a funny caption to the photo (all stuff legal in the current DPC challenge for the sake of argument), you bet your ass it’s my photo!


No its not.. it is still Larrys photo. I refer you back to my brilliant argument with the great picture of the motorcyclists..
 06/11/2009 05:59:12 PM · #139
Originally posted by LoudDog:
I’m not going to bother answering all the questions and scenarios and straw man arguments. I came to the conclusion that the DQ was BS based on all of the following (and possibly more as I may have missed/forgot something) taken as a whole and not each individual one separately. So please stop asking scenarios that include only one or two of my reasons!

1. Simple snap shot of a stationary subject where he gave direction to shoot said subject can be defined as he set it up.
2. The photo was his idea.
3. It was impossible for him to compose the shot on a tripod.
4. It is not unreasonable to think he may have had a great role in the composition by giving direction or disproving shots until it was what he wanted.
5. He had full capability to crop the image as he wanted.
6. The camera had no settings so no argument about that.
7. He post processed the photo, added his border and his text.
8. The photo itself is nothing more then a snap shot of a subject. The photo lives and dies on the post processing (border and text).
9. Any angle difference that may have resulted if he himself did set it up on a tripod would have little to no effect on the overall image after post processing.
10. SC did not clarify anything with him before DQ.

If I call my cousin Jimmy in Alaska and ask him to take a picture of a moose, of course it’s not my picture. I’m not stupid. But if I set up a trail cam miles from me to take photos when it senses motion and it catches a moose, that is my photo.

If I ask Larry to take my picture next to a tree of course it is not a photo I took. But, if I tell Larry to stand there, crouch down and keep the camera 3 feet from the ground and point at an angle about 3 degrees up, set the camera on these exact settings, take a photo of me next to the tree, but auto focus on me and be sure to catch that mountain over there in the frame, and go a little wide so I can crop what I want, then I wait until the sun goes behind a cloud to soften the lighting and tell him to fire now quick. Larry emails me the original and I post process it by converting to black and white, re-size, add some contrast, some other stuff, then add a border and a funny caption to the photo (all stuff legal in the current DPC challenge for the sake of argument), you bet your ass it’s my photo! There is no difference between that and using a tripod. And it is quite possible that is exactly what happened here, but SC DQ’d it without asking so we will never know.


But, if you ask him to take a picture of you in a hospital bed, it is yours. Got it.

And while we didn't have all the details, subsequent correspondence with him (that you seem to want to ignore) didn't reveal anything new to us that would have altered the decision before we knew it.
 06/11/2009 06:10:32 PM · #140
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
I am on the fence for this one. I believe that as long as the rule anyone can press the button exists, Then it should not matter who takes the photo providing the photographer/member/registered user provides the input for composition/framing lighting etc.. If he directed the shot with full automatic settings then looked at the shot afterwards to make sure it is exactly the way he asked it be be taken. He certainly took part in that effort.

I do not disagree with SC's decision here as they have to make a decision and they did just that. Never will a 100% of DPCers agree with them. I have been on both sides in that respect.

That said. I do think DPC needs to be updated as it has fallen a bit behind the times with the current rule sets vs newer technology etc. I think that many of you probably feel the same. So I encourage you to stop paying your membership. I seriously doubt any changes will be made as long as a profit is. My membership is due to expire in a few days and I am 50/50 on my decision to renew. I have several reasons for wanting to renew but I also have several reasons to not do it. Money is an issue right now and like I said. DPC is very slow to give the PAYING MEMBERS what they want or ask for (example: larger photo size) We have put up with spammers and trolls etc for a long time. No progress has been made in those cases. They both still exist.

I have seen several really good photographers leave DPC since I have been here and quite a few others who barely participate in the challenges and forums anymore. They may all have different reasons or maybe they dislike the reasons that have me wondering if it is worth the money. Rules are Rules but sometimes Rules are meant to be broken or at very least adjusted to fit the times.

Either way, Another decision has been made and another good photographer has been led away from DPC. I am sure more will be lost if things are not revamped a little bit. Rules that are more clear and understandable. Photo sizes that adapt to the larger images cameras are taking now. Better communication between the site and its members and most importantly a non bias SC. Although everyone has a right to an oppinion SC are referees and durning the game the referees are not entitled to oppinions they are their to be fare and level. Too many times I have seen some SC members argue their point for hours treating people who actually pay for their memberships like 2nd rate citizens and I believe that is not acceptable. This post will probably spark a fuse with a few of them now, However I am only stating my oppinion which I have a right to do.

Time for an overhaul!!!!!


Oy vey.

I wish I had the money, because if I did I'd pledge 3 memberships for newcomers or people that can't afford one for every one boycotter over something like this.

I don't have the money, but in spirit, that's what I'd do.
 06/11/2009 06:11:59 PM · #141
Originally posted by karmat:
Post processing a shot does not make it yours.

Indeed! ;-)

Your submission must be taken and post-processed by you. While he may have done the post-processing, he very clearly did not take the shot, nor did he set anything up beyond asking to have his picture taken. The photo is the photographer's work, and whether the model asked for it, processed it, or owns the camera is moot.
 06/11/2009 06:13:28 PM · #142
Originally posted by LoudDog:


If I ask Larry to take my picture next to a tree of course it is not a photo I took. But, if I tell Larry to stand there, crouch down and keep the camera 3 feet from the ground and point at an angle about 3 degrees up, set the camera on these exact settings, take a photo of me next to the tree, but auto focus on me and be sure to catch that mountain over there in the frame, and go a little wide so I can crop what I want, then I wait until the sun goes behind a cloud to soften the lighting and tell him to fire now quick. Larry emails me the original and I post process it by converting to black and white, re-size, add some contrast, some other stuff, then add a border and a funny caption to the photo (all stuff legal in the current DPC challenge for the sake of argument), you bet your ass it’s my photo! There is no difference between that and using a tripod. And it is quite possible that is exactly what happened here, but SC DQ’d it without asking so we will never know.


But, if you were tied to the tree, arms restrained, and gagged so you couldn't tell Larry any of those things, but scribbled a barely legible "picture" on a piece of paper--you still gonna claim it was your shot? If so, Larry may tie you to another tree....

There is nothing to suggest he gave that kind of direction, and a lot that suggests he didn't (including his own notes on the entered photograph!)
 06/11/2009 06:13:31 PM · #143
Originally posted by Simms:
Originally posted by LoudDog:

If I ask Larry to take my picture next to a tree of course it is not a photo I took. But, if I tell Larry to stand there, crouch down and keep the camera 3 feet from the ground and point at an angle about 3 degrees up, set the camera on these exact settings, take a photo of me next to the tree, but auto focus on me and be sure to catch that mountain over there in the frame, and go a little wide so I can crop what I want, then I wait until the sun goes behind a cloud to soften the lighting and tell him to fire now quick. Larry emails me the original and I post process it by converting to black and white, re-size, add some contrast, some other stuff, then add a border and a funny caption to the photo (all stuff legal in the current DPC challenge for the sake of argument), you bet your ass it’s my photo!


No its not.. it is still Larrys photo. I refer you back to my brilliant argument with the great picture of the motorcyclists..


So if you are Larry, would you show the picture off and say check this out, see how talented i am? See what I did?
 06/11/2009 06:17:11 PM · #144
Originally posted by K10DGuy:


Oy vey.

I wish I had the money, because if I did I'd pledge 3 memberships for newcomers or people that can't afford one for every one boycotter over something like this.

I don't have the money, but in spirit, that's what I'd do.


Hey there, Chopper! BAM-Wow!
 06/11/2009 06:18:24 PM · #145
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by karmat:
Post processing a shot does not make it yours.

Indeed! ;-)

Your submission must be taken and post-processed by you. While he may have done the post-processing, he very clearly did not take the shot, nor did he set anything up beyond asking to have his picture taken. The photo is the photographer's work, and whether the model asked for it, processed it, or owns the camera is moot.


What else was there to set up? When you DQ'd did you know for sure he did not have a major role in the composition? Or did SC assume?

If the comment said my girlfriend took the photo but I told her where to stand, how high to hold the camera, and what angle to hold it at, would you DQ?

If it said he had her take photos until she got what he wanted would you DQ?

If it said the phone had a little screen and he seen the composition and have thumbs up when he liked it would you DQ?

If he left the comment blank would you DQ?
 06/11/2009 06:19:07 PM · #146
Originally posted by chromeydome:
Originally posted by K10DGuy:


Oy vey.

I wish I had the money, because if I did I'd pledge 3 memberships for newcomers or people that can't afford one for every one boycotter over something like this.

I don't have the money, but in spirit, that's what I'd do.


Hey there, Chopper! BAM-Wow!


I could use some BAM-Wow™ right now! :D
 06/11/2009 06:20:45 PM · #147
Originally posted by LoudDog:
So if you are Larry, would you show the picture off and say check this out, see how talented i am? See what I did?

If Larry was able to get all of this: "stand there, crouch down and keep the camera 3 feet from the ground and point at an angle about 3 degrees up, set the camera on these exact settings, take a photo of me next to the tree, but auto focus on me and be sure to catch that mountain over there in the frame, and go a little wide so I can crop what I want, then I wait until the sun goes behind a cloud to soften the lighting and tell him to fire now quick" from the scribbled word "photo," then absolutely! That's some serious talent!
 06/11/2009 06:20:53 PM · #148
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Originally posted by Simms:
Originally posted by LoudDog:

If I ask Larry to take my picture next to a tree of course it is not a photo I took. But, if I tell Larry to stand there, crouch down and keep the camera 3 feet from the ground and point at an angle about 3 degrees up, set the camera on these exact settings, take a photo of me next to the tree, but auto focus on me and be sure to catch that mountain over there in the frame, and go a little wide so I can crop what I want, then I wait until the sun goes behind a cloud to soften the lighting and tell him to fire now quick. Larry emails me the original and I post process it by converting to black and white, re-size, add some contrast, some other stuff, then add a border and a funny caption to the photo (all stuff legal in the current DPC challenge for the sake of argument), you bet your ass it’s my photo!


No its not.. it is still Larrys photo. I refer you back to my brilliant argument with the great picture of the motorcyclists..


So if you are Larry, would you show the picture off and say check this out, see how talented i am? See what I did?


Yup I would, because technically I did..

OK, how about this one taking your point from the previous post (with the setup etc)..

A New restaurant opens in town, on the sign it proclaims "come and enjoy a meal made by Celebrity chef Gordon Ramsey".

Wow, Gordon Ramsey, I`m there - so you go along and book your table, you have an exquisite meal - its costs in excess of $200 but what the heck, this is a dinner by Gordon Ramsey. However you ask to see the chef to congratulate him on this culinery masterpiece, you are shocked when you are invited into the kitchen to meet the chef, then you see its not Gordon Ramsey but its a teenager called Bill.. But I thought the meal was cooked by Gordon Ramsey, then you spy a book open called "My Best Meals - By Gordon Ramsey".. Bill says "Well Loud-Dog, technically it is a dinner by Gordon Ramsey, he told me via his book, what ingredients to use, in what quantities, and how long to cook them, so yes, this meal was by Gordon Ramsey - that will be $200 please.."

Did Gordon cook this meal, or was it Bill?? Would you feel ripped off? I would.
 06/11/2009 06:22:53 PM · #149
I am not suggesting a boycott over the DQ I am just saying that as long as a business is making profits it is unlikely to change or better the system. I have only entered a handful of challenges over the past 2 years but I still pay something like 45 dollars each year to help support this site mainly to keep in contact with the guys whom I meet up with a few times a year for a photoshoot and breakfast. I think a majority vote has proven that the members would prefer larger file sizes and dimensions for photos but has it changed? No! I am positive that a majority of members have complained about troll voting and spam in the forums but that issue has not been resolved either. Perhaps if everyone quit paying the bills then the changes would be made.

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Oy vey.

I wish I had the money, because if I did I'd pledge 3 memberships for newcomers or people that can't afford one for every one boycotter over something like this.

I don't have the money, but in spirit, that's what I'd do.
06/11/2009 06:23:15 PM · #150
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by karmat:
Post processing a shot does not make it yours.

Indeed! ;-)

Your submission must be taken and post-processed by you. While he may have done the post-processing, he very clearly did not take the shot, nor did he set anything up beyond asking to have his picture taken. The photo is the photographer's work, and whether the model asked for it, processed it, or owns the camera is moot.


What else was there to set up? When you DQ'd did you know for sure he did not have a major role in the composition? Or did SC assume?

If the comment said my girlfriend took the photo but I told her where to stand, how high to hold the camera, and what angle to hold it at, would you DQ?

If it said he had her take photos until she got what he wanted would you DQ?

If it said the phone had a little screen and he seen the composition and have thumbs up when he liked it would you DQ?

If he left the comment blank would you DQ?


SC aren't superhuman. They work with what they HAVE. In this case, all they had was a comment.

Freaking SC, doomed if they do, and doomed if they don't. You don't have any inside information, and you're making assumptions and guesses far more than what you are accusing the SC of doing. Bee in your bonnet or whatever, you're just starting to sound self-important to me, although I guess you do have a username to live up to.
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