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06/11/2009 10:49:31 AM · #1
I've just noticed that [user]jlanoue[/user] no longer active. :(

I really enjoyed his photography.
06/11/2009 11:03:00 AM · #2
Some amazing astro work for sure!
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06/11/2009 11:14:51 AM · #3
Since his profile page is missing, I guess that means he requested a full deletion of his account (as opposed to just letting a membership lapse). I wonder why?

It strikes me that this wasn't a good place for him, as far as the challenges go. Astral photography is so specialized, it's hard to compare to other types.
06/11/2009 11:24:45 AM · #4
I would guess it was related to his recent DQ.

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Big time bummer if you ask me. He is certainly a fantastic astrophotographer and I always enjoyed his entries. Seemed like a great guy, too.
06/11/2009 11:33:00 AM · #5
Here are a few of his photos:

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In looking for his photos, I've noticed there are a few other members on this site who specialize in astrophotography.
06/11/2009 11:33:30 AM · #6
Originally posted by freakin_hilarious:

I would guess it was related to his recent DQ.

Ah, good entry, though I guess it's debatable whether he actually set up the shot or not. :-/

Well, maybe he'll come back when he's feeling better physically.

06/11/2009 11:34:01 AM · #7
John was a great help and a decent guy. When I contacted him, he was generous and pleasant. I am glad the doctor saved his life and I wish him well. Get better soon. I will miss you here. I'm sure this was not an easy thing for the site council to do.
06/11/2009 11:49:43 AM · #8
Wow... bullshit DQ.
06/11/2009 12:02:52 PM · #9
Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Wow... bullshit DQ.

Why?

In his own words: "The pic was taken by my girlfriend with her camera phone... however, while I was still on life support with my arms restrained, I scribbled out the word "picture" (barely legible, morphine does that to you) for her to take this."

He didn't take the photo. My wife gets some nice shots when we're out at family events. If I told her "hey, take a shot of this" and I pull the photo from her memory card, process and enter it - is that legit? I'd say no.
06/11/2009 12:03:27 PM · #10
wow, i cant believe slippy has me down as an `awesome photographer` in his sig... chuffed to bits here..
06/11/2009 12:06:47 PM · #11
Originally posted by glad2badad:

He didn't take the photo. My wife gets some nice shots when we're out at family events. If I told her "hey, take a shot of this" and I pull the photo from her memory card, process and enter it - is that legit? I'd say no.

In reading his comments on that shot, his issue appears to have been that the SC didn't contact him prior to the DQ (they based the DQ on his shot comments) - And when he queried this they didn't follow-up.

IANAL, YMMV, IMHO ;-)
06/11/2009 12:11:43 PM · #12
Originally posted by JH:

In reading his comments on that shot, his issue appears to have been that the SC didn't contact him prior to the DQ (they based the DQ on his shot comments) - And when he queried this they didn't follow-up.

Some DQs just don't require explanation, and asking someone to take a picture does NOT make it yours! THe rules allow for someone else to press the shutter button on a shot you setup, but that's very obviously not the case here. Unfortunately, after follow-ups from several SC, he seemed to think it was still his photo and quit over the DQ.
06/11/2009 12:14:19 PM · #13
I suppose the dq would have been avoided if he had set up the camera on a tripod, climbed back into bed and had his wife press the button??

Bummer that he left--i got a kick out of his astrophtography. :(

eta: Glad you made it through John!

Message edited by author 2009-06-11 12:14:41.
06/11/2009 12:28:44 PM · #14
Originally posted by mpeters:

I suppose the dq would have been avoided if he had set up the camera on a tripod, climbed back into bed and had his wife press the button??

Then he could at least take credit for the composition.

He could have just had his girlfriend register here and enter it herself.
06/11/2009 12:54:10 PM · #15
Originally posted by mpeters:

I suppose the dq would have been avoided if he had set up the camera on a tripod, climbed back into bed and had his wife press the button??

At least then he could claim SOME credit as "his" photo. Otherwise, it's little different from asking someone to take a photo while they're vacationing in Tahiti so you can enter it in a sunset challenge. It doesn't work that way. John was one of my favorites, and it's disappointing to see a good photographer take his ball and go home over something like this. :-/
06/11/2009 12:55:53 PM · #16
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Wow... bullshit DQ.

Why?

In his own words: "The pic was taken by my girlfriend with her camera phone... however, while I was still on life support with my arms restrained, I scribbled out the word "picture" (barely legible, morphine does that to you) for her to take this."

He didn't take the photo. My wife gets some nice shots when we're out at family events. If I told her "hey, take a shot of this" and I pull the photo from her memory card, process and enter it - is that legit? I'd say no.


Agreed. I don't see how they could possibly justify letting this entry stand. People are reacting here as if the poignancy of the story ("Photographer on life support!") somehow justifies an exception to the rules, and I'm enough of a hardass to say that's ridiculous.

If they'd let this stand, I'd have considered "phoning in" a picture sometime when I was out on the road and camera-less; seeing that the sky is great, calling up my friend and saying "Hey, you know out special corner of the marsh? Why don't you run down there with my camera and set it up with the 10mm lens, frame it up exactly like the print we have on the wall (take it with you for reference), and set the exposure for -1 EV, willya? Thanks!"

Of course, that wouldn't work for me 'cuz I'm deaf and can't use the phone, but you get the idea... Whatta can of worms!

R.

ETA: I see Shannon beat me to this concept :-)

Message edited by author 2009-06-11 12:56:41.
06/11/2009 01:01:41 PM · #17
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by mpeters:

I suppose the dq would have been avoided if he had set up the camera on a tripod, climbed back into bed and had his wife press the button??

Then he could at least take credit for the composition.

He could have just had his girlfriend register here and enter it herself.

According to his photo notes, he directed the composition via hand signals. Not that tough to do, especially given the limited space. Left, right, up, down, closer, further.

It's quite an over reaction to quit over a miss-handled DQ, though. SC are only human, and mistakes happen.

ETA,,, to quote the rule... "Someone else may press the shutter button if you set up the shot and the camera settings." So is "set up" limited to physical? As a consultant, I commonly use my words to set things up, while other people do all the touching.

ETA#2... the phone it in concept is interesting, though.

Message edited by author 2009-06-11 13:07:17.
06/11/2009 01:18:35 PM · #18
I agree with bear. He didn't take the shot, didn't compose the shot. If it was an a camera instead of a cell phone, maybe I'd consider it if he told her all the settings. So I guess I'd take Bear's phone in shot over this one!
06/11/2009 01:20:31 PM · #19
Originally posted by Strikeslip:

ETA,,, to quote the rule... "Someone else may press the shutter button if you set up the shot and the camera settings." So is "set up" limited to physical? As a consultant, I commonly use my words to set things up, while other people do all the touching.

ETA#2... the phone it in concept is interesting, though.

And what about timing? What if I setup the camera on a tripod pointing at a wonderful landscape. Then I go home. I leave my assistant standing there and tell him to press the shutter when the sunset looks (in his opinion) at its best and email me the result.

I'm sure there are even lazier ways to do photography that I just haven't thought of yet...
06/11/2009 01:23:40 PM · #20
Originally posted by JH:

And what about timing? What if I setup the camera on a tripod pointing at a wonderful landscape. Then I go home. I leave my assistant standing there and tell him to press the shutter when the sunset looks (in his opinion) at its best and email me the result.

I'd give it a 3 at best...because the photo would be severly underexposed. :-P
06/11/2009 01:25:41 PM · #21
I'm visualizing a near-future scenario where a dSLR can be linked to a portable online device, a Blackberry or some such, and the scene can be streamed live to a remote recipient. I'm visualizing asking Deb to take her camera out and shoot Notre Dame de Paris for me next time she's down there. I'll ask her to make changes ("Back up 60 feet, Deb. There, that's about right! Now maybe to the left a little, to better position that street artist in the frame... Bingo! That looks great! Gimme f/8, EV compensation -1... That should do the trick! Shoot it!", then having her attach the file to an e-mail so I can process and enter "my" Paris shot.

Sound ridiculous? It does to me. But that's not conceptually any different than what happened with the DQ'd shot. In fact, it's arguably MORE legal, since I'm actually "in control" of the framing for "my" shot.

I assume that the INTENT of the rule was to allow self-portraits where the photographer sets everything up with a stand-in, then swaps places and has someone else release the shutter. Stuff like that. And it seems valid to me to set up the camera in a wildlife blind, with a motion sensor to trigger the shutter, and then come back later to retrieve the camera and download the images; I'd consider that to be "my" picture even though the subject, the wildlife, actually triggered the shutter. But if I loaned my camera to my best friend when he went hunting and HE set up the camera, framed the scene etc, then enabled the motion trigger, I wouldn't call that "my" shot... I'd call it his.

R.
06/11/2009 01:25:43 PM · #22
Someone else may press the shutter button. That's it. That doesn't seem all that hard to understand. I'm sorry to see him leave over this but it doesn't seem, to me, to be a "miss-handled DQ".
06/11/2009 01:26:21 PM · #23
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by JH:

And what about timing? What if I setup the camera on a tripod pointing at a wonderful landscape. Then I go home. I leave my assistant standing there and tell him to press the shutter when the sunset looks (in his opinion) at its best and email me the result.

I'd give it a 3 at best...because the photo would be severly underexposed. :-P

Ah, but I flicked it onto Aperture Priority just before I went home... :)
06/11/2009 01:27:23 PM · #24
I don't disagree with the DQ, but I do like Bear's suggestion, haha. :) There have been some real nice thunderstorm clouds in Yosemite this week!
06/11/2009 01:34:36 PM · #25
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

I'm visualizing a near-future scenario where a dSLR can be linked to a portable online device, a Blackberry or some such, and the scene can be streamed live to a remote recipient. I'm visualizing asking Deb to take her camera out and shoot Notre Dame de Paris for me next time she's down there. I'll ask her to make changes ("Back up 60 feet, Deb. There, that's about right! Now maybe to the left a little, to better position that street artist in the frame... Bingo! That looks great! Gimme f/8, EV compensation -1... That should do the trick! Shoot it!", then having her attach the file to an e-mail so I can process and enter "my" Paris shot.....<snip>

How different we are! This sounds quite reasonable to me.

Your scenario reminds me of a recent skit on the Ellen Degeneres (a comedienne) Show, where she directed a barrista in what to say to customers via a hidden ear-phone. It was pretty funny, but then I think Ellen is a laugh. She's a pro, and so directed the barrista beyond her capabilities in humour.
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