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04/21/2009 03:59:00 PM · #26 |
| lets see how much farther we can get off the subject |
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04/21/2009 04:01:58 PM · #27 |
IMO.... this is ONE time that I didn't start the train wreck. In fact ...if you read back...it looks like General started this one.
Originally posted by smardaz:
lets see how much farther we can get off the subject |
Message edited by author 2009-04-21 16:03:12. |
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04/21/2009 04:03:46 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
Isn't it your opinion that my statement isn't accurate? How do you know for sure without Polling the users as GeneralIE says? Shouldn't you have the "IMO" qualifier after "but"...
...but...IMO...your statement as written isn't accurate"
Edit: OR ... "I think"...your statement as written isn't accurate.
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by kenskid:
If they think it is illegal you will be voted down. |
Some people most likely do this, yes, others won't, but your statement as written isn't accurate. |
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I wasn't challenging my statement.
Or, more accurately, I didn't get called out on my statement and then defend it. You're right though, I should have had a qualifier there.
Message edited by author 2009-04-21 16:07:47. |
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04/21/2009 04:08:57 PM · #29 |
I know....you were challenging MY statement...but w/o Polling the members...it is YOUR OPINION that my statement is wrong.
EDIT...thanks...add the qualifier next time. :-)
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by kenskid:
Isn't it your opinion that my statement isn't accurate? How do you know for sure without Polling the users as GeneralIE says? Shouldn't you have the "IMO" qualifier after "but"...
...but...IMO...your statement as written isn't accurate"
Edit: OR ... "I think"...your statement as written isn't accurate.
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by kenskid:
If they think it is illegal you will be voted down. |
Some people most likely do this, yes, others won't, but your statement as written isn't accurate. |
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I wasn't challenging my statement.
Or, more accurately, I didn't get called out on my statement and then defend it. You're right though, I should have had a qualifier there. |
Message edited by author 2009-04-21 16:09:36. |
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04/21/2009 04:10:30 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
I know....you were challenging MY statement...but w/o Polling the members...it is YOUR OPINION that my statement is wrong. |
pinches bridge of nose
I'll just let it go, for reasons of sanity.
Message edited by author 2009-04-21 16:11:11. |
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04/21/2009 04:17:47 PM · #31 |
Back on the subject...IMO you really need to say that this is an excellent example.
Originally posted by kenskid:
Very good example ! The numbers on this ONE do not lie. IT IS MY OPINION (I have to say that now) that your photo was surely destined for a 5 - 5.5 score before the word Validated was added !
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Unless you have polled the membership on this issue (and received honest answers), the only actual evidence you have for this position is knowledge of how you yourself would vote in a similar situation. |
There is one other avenue of experience. If you have submitted a shot that looks like it might have been done in photoshop, (and watch your score through a spreadsheet like a no life numbers geek) and ask for a validation, you can see a real shift in scoring before and after the submission has been validated.
Before validation 5.5, after validation final score of 6.3
My point is, as a voter assume its legal;
as a submitter, assume people will vote it down and ask for validation quickly if it looks dubious. |
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04/21/2009 04:19:28 PM · #32 |
As a neutral 3rd party I have to chime in and just say, Kenny, that I think your general demeanor is ill-suited for calm, contemplative conversation on this site.
No offense it just seems like you're perpetuating arguments in the forums about semantics and other issues and the original intent of the thread gets derailed. Not trying to call you out, just think you should take internet "arguments" with a grain of salt and not get so worked up about them.
-Adam |
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04/21/2009 04:23:25 PM · #33 |
This is the last "non-topic" post I'll reply to but shouldn't you have added..."It is my Opinion"...somewhere in there?
EDIT: All I said was If they think it is illegal you will be voted down. I said this without the IMO....and that started the OFF TOPIC HOT reaction from others.
Originally posted by AP:
As a neutral 3rd party I have to chime in and just say, Kenny, that I think your general demeanor is ill-suited for calm, contemplative conversation on this site.
No offense it just seems like you're perpetuating arguments in the forums about semantics and other issues and the original intent of the thread gets derailed. Not trying to call you out, just think you should take internet "arguments" with a grain of salt and not get so worked up about them.
-Adam |
Message edited by author 2009-04-21 16:26:54. |
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04/21/2009 04:23:47 PM · #34 |
Just for balance, this photo:
Was pulling an almost identical score right from the beginning, before and after validation.
I just don't think there's any reason to be crying about any kind of controversy regarding this kind of thing.
Message edited by author 2009-04-21 16:24:09. |
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04/21/2009 04:25:01 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
This is the last "non-topic" post I'll reply to but shouldn't you have added..."It is my Opinion"...somewhere in there?
Originally posted by AP:
As a neutral 3rd party I have to chime in and just say, Kenny, that I think your general demeanor is ill-suited for calm, contemplative conversation on this site.
No offense it just seems like you're perpetuating arguments in the forums about semantics and other issues and the original intent of the thread gets derailed. Not trying to call you out, just think you should take internet "arguments" with a grain of salt and not get so worked up about them.
-Adam |
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He said "I think" a couple of times, but I like your use of the obtuse. |
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04/21/2009 04:26:28 PM · #36 |
| Lol I did write "I think" in there - sorry again if that was harsh or anything I just think sometimes these threads get too heated for no reason :P |
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04/21/2009 04:27:43 PM · #37 |
going back on my promise but remember...All I said was If they think it is illegal you will be voted down. The firestorm started after that.
Originally posted by AP:
Lol I did write "I think" in there - sorry again if that was harsh or anything I just think sometimes these threads get too heated for no reason :P |
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04/21/2009 04:38:11 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by kenskid:
I stand by my statement...If they think it is illegal, you will be voted down... |
Unless you have polled the membership on this issue (and received honest answers), the only actual evidence you have for this position is knowledge of how you yourself would vote in a similar situation.
Since the rules specify that one is to vote as if the photo is legal in this situation, you are effectively accusing everyone here of breaking the rules. I strongly urge you to abandon this line of speculation. |
Ken - What's so difficult about understanding this?
"If they..." (meaning others, not yourself)... "you will be voted down" (very definitive statement).
You made it sound as if it's a fact, but it's really just specualtion on your part. The General's response was spot on. |
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04/21/2009 04:45:51 PM · #39 |
Are you telling me that my statement deserved the response:
Since the rules specify that one is to vote as if the photo is legal in this situation, you are effectively accusing everyone here of breaking the rules. I strongly urge you to abandon this line of speculation.
Did anyone get so bent out of shape by my statement as to have them report the post as "out of line"? Did a user actually get upset that I "accused" them of breaking the rules?
IMO the General's post is comical.
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by kenskid:
I stand by my statement...If they think it is illegal, you will be voted down... |
Unless you have polled the membership on this issue (and received honest answers), the only actual evidence you have for this position is knowledge of how you yourself would vote in a similar situation.
Since the rules specify that one is to vote as if the photo is legal in this situation, you are effectively accusing everyone here of breaking the rules. I strongly urge you to abandon this line of speculation. |
Ken - What's so difficult about understanding this?
"If they..." (meaning others, not yourself)... "you will be voted down" (very definitive statement).
You made it sound as if it's a fact, but it's really just specualtion on your part. The General's response was spot on. |
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04/21/2009 04:47:23 PM · #40 |
| It would be nice if people that are concerned if voters might vote down a photo to pre-validate an image, before the voting starts, and always have that 'This image has been validated' tag on their photo. |
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04/21/2009 04:49:42 PM · #41 |
| Yes, but even when a photo has been validated, that note isn't always displayed. |
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04/21/2009 05:06:21 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
Did a user actually get upset that I "accused" them of breaking the rules?
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I wasn't tickled pink. :( |
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04/21/2009 05:15:25 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by VitaminB:
It would be nice if people that are concerned if voters might vote down a photo to pre-validate an image, before the voting starts, and always have that 'This image has been validated' tag on their photo. |
Ill bet it also creates a bunch of added grunt work for the SC. Validating an entry must take a bit of time, validating twenty, more so. |
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04/21/2009 05:27:55 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by VitaminB:
It would be nice if people that are concerned if voters might vote down a photo to pre-validate an image, before the voting starts, and always have that 'This image has been validated' tag on their photo. |
We can't do that because ...
-there wouldn't be time for everyone to vote before the submission deadline
-there's no mechanism to prevent you from entering a different image from the one we validated
-probably some other good reasons as well ... |
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04/21/2009 05:31:07 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by VitaminB:
It would be nice if people that are concerned if voters might vote down a photo to pre-validate an image, before the voting starts, and always have that 'This image has been validated' tag on their photo. |
Ill bet it also creates a bunch of added grunt work for the SC. Validating an entry must take a bit of time, validating twenty, more so. |
I agree... it would be more work. As it is now, users are able to submit an entry to SC for validation before they enter.. though I am not sure how long the validation for that takes. My recent entry was validated in less than 24 hours (thank you SC :) ).... I just threw it out there are an ideal... not sure if it is feasible.
Edit... General, just saw your reply :) I must be a slow typer.
Message edited by author 2009-04-21 17:32:04. |
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04/21/2009 06:07:43 PM · #46 |
WOW! WOW! WOW! Good morning everyone, well it is here 7.30am. What an amazing feed back on validation and voting.
During voting views 459, 92 scores were 6 & above, 76 Below 6, 168 votes, difference 16 take away 1 top & 1 bottom score the difference is 14. would really like to see the views to votes closer to each other ( but thats the way it goes)
My personal way of voting is when a photo appears before me I vote on this photo and don't go on to the next to see if it is better, most of my challenge voting is 100%, and after go back and fine tune and give comments to a number of the top entries, rarely do I vote below 5's unless IMO the photo deserves this treatment.
I know we are all human having many different opinions to the way photography is seen, me I like to step outside the box a little, this to me is creatively moving photography in different directions seeing if DPC members agree or disagree.
After being a member since 2005, my journey has been very interesting and I have made a lot of good friends and absoulutly enjoy DPC.
Many thanks for all your imput to this thread. |
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04/21/2009 06:29:12 PM · #47 |
Thanks...I'm glad I could help ! LOL... ;-)
Originally posted by BrianR:
WOW! WOW! WOW! Good morning everyone, well it is here 7.30am. What an amazing feed back on validation and voting.
During voting views 459, 92 scores were 6 & above, 76 Below 6, 168 votes, difference 16 take away 1 top & 1 bottom score the difference is 14. would really like to see the views to votes closer to each other ( but thats the way it goes)
My personal way of voting is when a photo appears before me I vote on this photo and don't go on to the next to see if it is better, most of my challenge voting is 100%, and after go back and fine tune and give comments to a number of the top entries, rarely do I vote below 5's unless IMO the photo deserves this treatment.
I know we are all human having many different opinions to the way photography is seen, me I like to step outside the box a little, this to me is creatively moving photography in different directions seeing if DPC members agree or disagree.
After being a member since 2005, my journey has been very interesting and I have made a lot of good friends and absoulutly enjoy DPC.
Many thanks for all your imput to this thread. |
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