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03/03/2009 10:34:00 AM · #26 |
this is totally pointless, one thread gets locked so another one gets started with good intentions and here we are again......
Joe has an opinion that few share and he refuses to acknowledge the valid points made by others, i see this thread on a fast track to getting locked....lets all agree to disagree |
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03/03/2009 10:35:43 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
this is totally pointless, one thread gets locked so another one gets started with good intentions and here we are again......
Joe has an opinion that few share and he refuses to acknowledge the valid points made by others, i see this thread on a fast track to getting locked....lets all agree to disagree |
Well if it means we don't have to endure the Breast Cancer pink ribbons side challenge, then all's the better! |
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03/03/2009 10:39:05 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
I think the rational is , He is asking for help to find a missing child who just so happens to be with her armed and dangerous father with suicidal tendancies. This is an innocent 2 year old girl. She didnt just wonder off down the street, she is in a car speeding across state lines. The ideal here is to have as many people aware of it as posible.
Not sure how many will remember when DPC member Steve Davidson went missing? The thread was kept on the front page for 2 weeks in hopes that someone,. not just the people who live in Arizonia but all over the country kept an eye out for him. Where were the complaints then? If the only reason everyone was so concerned is because he is a DPC member. Then I gotta say that is just sad.
This is a little kid who has no way of helping herself so the more people that help her the better. This is not a tree hugging situation, This is a little kids life that needs to be protected. If it were my child I would hope that everyone on DPC would be willing to look instead of the usual complaints and bitching that happen here. Some of you people act like you dont care. Don't clutter up my photography site with useless missing person information. But please do when you want your kids school project to score well with the teacher or when you want help buying a new car etc.... If you are going to draw the line. Then draw it at photography and discuss nothing but photography in the forums . I dont always agree with Dirt and I do not think his response to Jeb was fair,. But I do not believe Jeb thought it through before he shot down a pretty nobel effort to help someone who really needs the help. I can understand why it would upset some.
I hope they find the girl safe and sound. and even though I live up in Wisconsin, I will keep my eyes open just incase they end up heading this way.
To implement an amber alert to the site would be very simple. add another forum topic down in the section with the personal forum, make it so each user can choose to ignore it. But also make it sticky for 24 hours with option for person who started thread to remove the sticky if person is found before time expires. Make a clear rule that that forum only be used for serious official Amber Alerts. So it doesnt fill up with help me find my lost cat posters. |
Two things.....
One: I did NOT shoot down a noble effort.....I merely asked for some thought as to the greater impact of asking this site accomodate Joe.
Two: If you think there aren't many people who consier their pets as members of their families, you're doing THEM a disservice.
It's ALL about perspectives, and what you have to realize, consider, and be fair about is that what YOU consider to be the mosty important cause, others may have a different idea.
Perhaps the greatest thing you can do with your compassion is to always consider others' wishes as well, or even before your own, and not denigrate their efforts because you feel more strongly about something else.
Wouldn't you hate to downplay someone else's cause, only to have a niggling doubt make you research their plight only to change your thinking when you realize that other issue breaks your heart as well?
How do you decide which heartbreak hurts worst?
How much room do you have in your life for how many causes?
Is it fair to have a life, a family, or a photography hobby when there's so much wrong to be righted?
Shouldn't we all sell our camers and equipment and donate it to the cause of our choice?
WHERE does it stop?
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03/03/2009 10:41:11 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
this is totally pointless, one thread gets locked so another one gets started with good intentions and here we are again......
Joe has an opinion that few share and he refuses to acknowledge the valid points made by others, i see this thread on a fast track to getting locked....lets all agree to disagree |
?! Jeb started this thread, Joe makes one small comment that's totally in-line with the gist of this thread, yet many jump on Joe and want to carryover the banter from some other threads...
What's up with that? Give the man a break would ya - geesh! |
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03/03/2009 10:41:58 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
this is totally pointless, one thread gets locked so another one gets started with good intentions and here we are again......
Joe has an opinion that few share and he refuses to acknowledge the valid points made by others, i see this thread on a fast track to getting locked....lets all agree to disagree |
I don't think it's pointless at all.....people ARE reading the thread, there are more people clicking to look at the links, people are thinking about it, and the discussion is ongoing.
How is this a bad thing?
Glean the information from it that helps you to have a good perspective on the fact that people who care are speaking out, and let whatever you feel isn't germane go.
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03/03/2009 10:43:52 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
this is totally pointless, one thread gets locked so another one gets started with good intentions and here we are again......
Joe has an opinion that few share and he refuses to acknowledge the valid points made by others, i see this thread on a fast track to getting locked....lets all agree to disagree |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
?! Jeb started this thread, Joe makes one small comment that's totally in-line with the gist of this thread, yet many jump on Joe and want to carryover the banter from some other threads...
What's up with that? Give the man a break would ya - geesh! |
*I* certainly didn't mean to jump on Joe, I didn't understand his question.
The only rotten thing I could say about Joe is that when he feels strongly about an issue he can be as rabid as I!......8>)
That's not a pretty thing! LOL!!!
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03/03/2009 11:04:43 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by citymars:
We now have four threads on this topic.
Just sayin'. |
Yeah. Reminds me of my family at a holiday. All in the same room talking over one another with different threads.
Can have 8 people and 6 conversations. :) |
hehe, we have 17, and at least 5 of us have ADD/ADHD tendencies, so there may only be 5 conversations in the room, but we are all participating in all of them! |
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03/03/2009 11:20:53 AM · #33 |
If I can't say "here she is" there is nothing I can say to the mother of a missing child that would be of any use to her. Hunting down the non-custodial parent who allegedly has the child and helping the custodial parent is the work of trained professionals. I do not know anything about the individuals involved or any of the circumstances, my opinions & feelings in this matter are of no value to anyone.
It's tough, even in the most favorable circumstances, to be a kid. To some degree every kid is an innocent bystander, an inoocent victim, a pawn in the struggle for power between adults. Some make it their life's work to be a child advocate & I respect that. Photographers play an important, sometimes unintentional, role in finding missing people. Without photo ID a search effort is much more difficult. My hope is that paople would remember to make an effort to get good photos of their family members once or twice a year. It's a nice reminder of past times, if nothing else, but I would hope that if asked for a good recent picture every mother would be able to provide one. |
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03/03/2009 11:21:02 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by citymars:
We now have four threads on this topic.
Just sayin'. |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Yeah. Reminds me of my family at a holiday. All in the same room talking over one another with different threads.
Can have 8 people and 6 conversations. :) |
Originally posted by karmat:
hehe, we have 17, and at least 5 of us have ADD/ADHD tendencies, so there may only be 5 conversations in the room, but we are all participating in all of them! |
Roses are read, violets are blue,
I'm scizopohrenic....and so am I!
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03/03/2009 11:31:17 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Two things.....
One: I did NOT shoot down a noble effort.....I merely asked for some thought as to the greater impact of asking this site accomodate Joe.
Ok you didn't shoot it down, But tha fact that you even question an Amber Alert for a missing little girl is hard to understand. It is not about peoples wishes it is about that little kids safety.
Two: If you think there aren't many people who consier their pets as members of their families, you're doing THEM a disservice. I didn't mean it that way,. Amber Alerts are for kidnappings not wondering or lost pets.
It's ALL about perspectives, and what you have to realize, consider, and be fair about is that what YOU consider to be the mosty important cause, others may have a different idea.
Kidnapped children is an important cause only a truely cold hearted person would see otherwise.
Perhaps the greatest thing you can do with your compassion is to always consider others' wishes as well, or even before your own, and not denigrate their efforts because you feel more strongly about something else.
Like you did by questioning Dirts suggestion in the first place ?
When someones efforts are to help a person in danger and someone elses efforts are going against the person trying to help., Why should I ?
Wouldn't you hate to downplay someone else's cause, only to have a niggling doubt make you research their plight only to change your thinking when you realize that other issue breaks your heart as well?
I am sticking to the topic of Amber Alerts on DPC other causes are not part of this topic.
How do you decide which heartbreak hurts worst?
How much room do you have in your life for how many causes?
Is it fair to have a life, a family, or a photography hobby when there's so much wrong to be righted?
Shouldn't we all sell our camers and equipment and donate it to the cause of our choice?
WHERE does it stop?
Seriously what does any of this have to do with trying to get the word out about a kid who was kidnapped and taken over state lines. no one is asking for donations no one is asking for you to go out and physically search for anyone. All that is asked as that you take a look at the picture, read the discription and call the authorities if you happen to see anything. My point here is an amber alert is not going to be a burdon on anyone.
I am not going to say anything else on this topic. So no need for response to my post.
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03/03/2009 11:50:26 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by pixelpig:
It's tough, even in the most favorable circumstances, to be a kid. To some degree every kid is an innocent bystander, an inoocent victim, a pawn in the struggle for power between adults. |
I'm finding that with the young man I'm mentoring through my church.
He is so painfully starved to be treated, and valued, as a person in his own right, yet having been in numerous foster homes, and having been adopted permanently into the family he now lives with, he's not had that opportunity.
I don't happen to agree with some of the techniques that the parents are using, but it's neither my place to criticize them.....he's NOT my child.
I also have to be careful to not to show him how, or what, he may be missing out on simply by being around my family. He's already stated that he really appreciates the way I respect my daughter's wishes and opinions.
It's tough to be a parent in this day and age where total strangers, and concerned friends and relatives seem to have no compunction about scrutinizing, and criticizing, your effots as a parent.
All to often families are faced with having to defend themselves from outsiders who THINK they know more about the situation than they do.
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03/03/2009 11:56:49 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
Seriously what does any of this have to do with trying to get the word out about a kid who was kidnapped and taken over state lines. no one is asking for donations no one is asking for you to go out and physically search for anyone. All that is asked as that you take a look at the picture, read the discription and call the authorities if you happen to see anything. My point here is an amber alert is not going to be a burdon on anyone.
I am not going to say anything else on this topic. So no need for response to my post. |
Okay....
I ask that you listen, and check to see if the CASA organization in your area needs help.
I ask that you support your local food bank, and listen to their needs.
I ask that you see if your church can use your help, or hear their plight.
How about this or that????
As has been asked, how or why is this more important than anythging else?
Would you sell your camera and give the proceeds to finance a search for this child?
You cannot disnmiss the importance of other causes for this one.
It all goes back to your choices of how and where you spend your efforts.
ETA: I WOULD like to state that I feel that it is important that people pay attention to this situation.....often it is people who are on the ball in the area that see the people in question.
I also know I hope that the situation is misconstrued and that it is a custody situation rather than a danger to the little girl.
Message edited by author 2009-03-03 12:02:52.
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03/03/2009 12:18:04 PM · #38 |
ok i changed my mind,.
For one, I donate alot of time and money to worthy causes, Are you assuming I dont? if not then dont ask me to do anything I have already done.
two. I am not saying amber alerts are more important than other causes, what I am trying to understand is why anyone would put up resistance for such a good cause. However not complain about all the other less important crap that gets passed around DPC.
three No one has to give up anything to keep an eye out for a missing person. It is just a matter of wanting to take your own time to gather the information available to you and keep your eyes open. For cases such as this 4 eyes are better than 2 and so on. You can preach to me all you want about other causes and their importance but like I said I am only talking about Amber Alerts right now. Thats what started this conversation and I am not going to stray off topic.
And yes, If I knew that it would help I would sell my camera to help raise funds to find a missing child. A chruch person like yourself would or should do the same am I correct? isnt that what it is all about giving to and helping others no matter who they are where they are from or what they believe in? Thats how my church works.
Anyway I have a million things to get done today so I am really done with this convo. Have a nice day Jeb.
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
Seriously what does any of this have to do with trying to get the word out about a kid who was kidnapped and taken over state lines. no one is asking for donations no one is asking for you to go out and physically search for anyone. All that is asked as that you take a look at the picture, read the discription and call the authorities if you happen to see anything. My point here is an amber alert is not going to be a burdon on anyone.
I am not going to say anything else on this topic. So no need for response to my post. |
Okay....
I ask that you listen, and check to see if the CASA organization in your area needs help.
I ask that you support your local food bank, and listen to their needs.
I ask that you see if your church can use your help, or hear their plight.
How about this or that????
As has been asked, how or why is this more important than anythging else?
Would you sell your camera and give the proceeds to finance a search for this child?
You cannot disnmiss the importance of other causes for this one.
It all goes back to your choices of how and where you spend your efforts. |
Message edited by author 2009-03-03 12:19:08. |
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03/03/2009 01:10:48 PM · #39 |
OKAY, back to the Original Question,
I am a big advocate for Domestic Violence, Gay Rights, Childs Protection.
But you know what, sometimes you can just change teh world with little simple things.
A smile to someone
Holding the door open
Saying Thank you to people
A kind word
A gesture
A shoulder to lean on
An ear to actually ;hear; with versus just listening
A packed up lunch to a homeless person, or just a Hello, can help.
Edited to add: Telling someone you are proud of them and meaning it. That can mean more to someone than a world full of money. Trust me, I was told it on here, it broke my heart and mended my heart at the same time.
SO go out there today, and make someones day a little better than it was, Smiling is like Tag, So TAG your IT
I have left some elderly men with a beaming smile, that I know made their day a little better.
Message edited by author 2009-03-03 13:12:53. |
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03/03/2009 01:23:29 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
Not sure how many will remember when DPC member Steve Davidson went missing? The thread was kept on the front page for 2 weeks in hopes that someone,. not just the people who live in Arizonia but all over the country kept an eye out for him. Where were the complaints then? If the only reason everyone was so concerned is because he is a DPC member. Then I gotta say that is just sad. |
I think the point -- and what seems to be at the base of this whole rather pointless "dispute" -- is that search was an effort undertaken by the members, and made possible by the site's structure.
At the very same time the "Web Site Suggestion" thread on Amber Alerts (now locked) was posted, there was a separate thread announcing the Amber Alert, with a link for more information (still active, in the top five listings when I went to type this).
The site has no problem with posting such a thread, nor with periodically bumping it to the top of the list while appropriate. What seems inappropriate to me is to demand/expect that the site be immediately re-coded to automate this feature. Even Administrative Announcement threads aren't "sticky" so they stay at the top of the list (though I think they should be). We don't scroll stock prices or sports scores, tornado warnings or notices of hot deals. The site (i.e. Langdon) has plenty to do without worrying about keeping the membership informed of every important event happening somewhere in the world.
Post breaking news/alerts in a thread -- fine it happens all the time ... there are several threads of that nature on the front page right now. Turn the front page into a CNN feed -- I don't think so. |
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03/03/2009 01:35:10 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Post breaking news/alerts in a thread -- fine it happens all the time ... there are several threads of that nature on the front page right now. Turn the front page into a CNN feed -- I don't think so. |
mirroring my thoughts from the locked thread exactly |
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03/03/2009 01:57:23 PM · #42 |
| couldnt have said it better myself General. thanx. |
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03/03/2009 02:12:08 PM · #43 |
This site is my escape from the outside world. I agree with GeneralE's statement:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
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Post breaking news/alerts in a thread -- fine it happens all the time ... there are several threads of that nature on the front page right now. Turn the front page into a CNN feed -- I don't think so. |
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03/03/2009 02:27:18 PM · #44 |
Just for the record, I never demanded the site re-code anything, I suggested that it wouldnt be that difficult to do. I understand and agree DPC is not a News Site, However It is not a lot of things that get brought up on a regular basis in the forums.
I would also like to note that comparing an Amber Alert Ticker (which usually has to do with an abducted child) to a Sports Score Ticker is not a very solid presentation of your point, however I do understand what you mean.
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03/03/2009 03:54:23 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
For one, I donate alot of time and money to worthy causes, Are you assuming I dont? if not then dont ask me to do anything I have already done. |
No, I'm assuming that you definitely *do* give of your time and money given your interest in the subject.
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
two. I am not saying amber alerts are more important than other causes, what I am trying to understand is why anyone would put up resistance for such a good cause. |
But that's just it, nobody is putting up resistance to the cause.....just that it not be of paramount importance to the admins of a photography site over any and all other equally as worthy, heartbreaking, and important causes..
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
However not complain about all the other less important crap that gets passed around DPC. |
Now I *know* you don't mean that to be a heartless comment that others' causes are less important crap, right?
You're too kind-hearted to mean that like it could sound, right?
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
three No one has to give up anything to keep an eye out for a missing person. It is just a matter of wanting to take your own time to gather the information available to you and keep your eyes open. |
Okay.....you either give your time or you don't....which is it?
Time is the most valuable commodity I have to give, whether it be time spent on/with my family, my church, Project S.H.A.R.E......
I am going to a CASA benefit concert tonight....we're hoping it will help PA CASA stay alive a little longer.
It would probably more appropriate for me not to spend so much time here.....I'm only home today because my daughter had surgery yesterday and I'm home in case she has problems.
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
You can preach to me all you want about other causes and their importance but like I said I am only talking about Amber Alerts right now. Thats what started this conversation and I am not going to stray off topic. |
Umm....I started this thread, and it was decidedly NOT about Amber Alerts specifically, but ALL worthy causes.
It also was NOT about preaching.
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
"This is to be a sounding-board thread for those who just want to voice their joys and frustrations about working hard to make a difference in a world that seems to have a plethora of insurmountable odds.
Please tell us about how you're trying to save your world, your way, that we may throw kudos, a prayer, or just kind thoughts your way, and perhaps it won't seem so overwhelming when you realize how many of us really work hard at sharing the workload.
I was inspired to try and make sure that the amber alert thread got the attention it deserves, in a way that it may share the importance of what we all do, albeit in different, yet no less important ways. "
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Originally posted by Bugzeye:
And yes, If I knew that it would help I would sell my camera to help raise funds to find a missing child. A chruch person like yourself would or should do the same am I correct? isnt that what it is all about giving to and helping others no matter who they are where they are from or what they believe in? Thats how my church works. |
Of course I would.....I'm a Unitarian Universalist.....I like to call us the liberal Democrat wackos of the God biz, and that's because we send people and money all over the area, state, country, and world while our furnace is finicky, the roof over the social hall leaks, and we have no air conditioning in the church when it's stinkin' hot in July and August.
However.....I doubt I would sell my camera unless I was REALLY sure it would make a difference, 'cause a slightly battered D70s is worth a lot more to me to be able to take pictures for CASA, my church, and Project SHARE than the actual cash I could get for it.
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
Have a nice day Jeb. |
You too......8>)
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03/03/2009 05:58:54 PM · #46 |
Funny aside to this thread.....I'm a sucker for a sob story with critters, as is my wife. This cat was getting kicked around pretty hard by the rest of the ferals my wife and two others where she works feeds and tends to.....so she got him fixed, checked for fe-leuk, and brought him home.
He's just so darn skittish, high-strung, and undernourished since he's been with us.....if only he'd adjust.....
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