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02/16/2009 10:40:40 PM · #176 |
Originally posted by yospiff:
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
the question will still be "why" and "what about it doesn't interest people?", won't it? How does one learn then? Everyone talks about "learning" from these challenges and comments but, how does one learn then if one can only "assume" that it's not the quality of your image...but, rather it simply doesn't "interest" people? What about the new member who comes in here with a horribly focused shot, over-exposed, under-exposed, terrible angle etc. and keeps scoring in the 1 to 3 ranges with their shots? Should they continue to assume that it's not their photography...it's just that they haven't photographed something that interests the voters and goes on to try differing subjects with the same poor quality? :) |
A valid flipside to the argument. I feel very much on the fence here. I agree with  Photointerest on the desire and need for the feedback, but I also understand how some other folks such as  Ubique do not see a reason to spend time on entries that don't catch their interest. I guess it depends on one's personal philosophy and why they are here participating on this site.
Myself, I think I'm just a glutton for punishment. |
It might help if you looked at receiving comments as a form of transaction between two parties, the photographer and the viewer. You can't expect the viewer to give you something for nothing. You have to first offer something to the viewer, in this case making your photo interesting in some way. It's really that simple.
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02/16/2009 10:47:53 PM · #177 |
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
My original point behind the pop-up box for the 1 to 3 votes was that it made the voter THINK more about giving out 1 to 3 votes before giving them. Not that I was advocating making comments mandatory, but simply that it gives the voter a moment's pause to re-think the fact that they are about to hand out an extremely low vote before they do it. As I said earlier on, when I first started here, that pop-up box was in effect. It made me stop and think about the photo a second time before I handed out the score. It didn't MAKE me have to comment. It wasn't mandatory but, what it did do, was to make me stop and think about what score I was handing out and quickly re-evaluate it in my mind. If I still felt it deserved that low a vote....it got it, whether I had a comment for it or not but, I did try to explain the why if I could. It also tended to create a bit of resistance for those who felt the need to go through each challenge, easily and freely handing out the 1 to 3 votes quickly and easily and without much thought. In all reality, take a look at some of the 1 to 3 votes that have been handed out on some of your shots. Do you really think that your photos were worthy of that low a score from anyone? I can say that they didn't. That was my point. |
I wonder if there's any stats available on whether or not having that prompt had any affect on low votes?
Maybe if anyone could give me its start and end dates I could look for myself. SC, do you have any way to find out? |
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02/16/2009 10:59:08 PM · #178 |
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
In all reality, take a look at some of the 1 to 3 votes that have been handed out on some of your shots. Do you really think that your photos were worthy of that low a score from anyone? I can say that they didn't. That was my point. |
It is not up to me to decide whether my photo deserves a score it gets. It is up to the voter.
Period.
I can, and will, bitch about it now and then, but I have no right to pretend that I have any power over the likes and dislikes of voters. When someone gives me a one, they believe that my shot deserves it, for whatever reason, and therefore, it was worthy of it.
You cannot say that a photo didn't deserve a score it got, because you are not the person that gave that score. |
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02/16/2009 11:01:54 PM · #179 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by yospiff:
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
the question will still be "why" and "what about it doesn't interest people?", won't it? How does one learn then? Everyone talks about "learning" from these challenges and comments but, how does one learn then if one can only "assume" that it's not the quality of your image...but, rather it simply doesn't "interest" people? What about the new member who comes in here with a horribly focused shot, over-exposed, under-exposed, terrible angle etc. and keeps scoring in the 1 to 3 ranges with their shots? Should they continue to assume that it's not their photography...it's just that they haven't photographed something that interests the voters and goes on to try differing subjects with the same poor quality? :) |
A valid flipside to the argument. I feel very much on the fence here. I agree with Photointerest on the desire and need for the feedback, but I also understand how some other folks such as Ubique do not see a reason to spend time on entries that don't catch their interest. I guess it depends on one's personal philosophy and why they are here participating on this site.
Myself, I think I'm just a glutton for punishment. |
It might help if you looked at receiving comments as a form of transaction between two parties, the photographer and the viewer. You can't expect the viewer to give you something for nothing. You have to first offer something to the viewer, in this case making your photo interesting in some way. If you fail to do that you shouldn't expect anything in return. It's really that simple. |
Most of the time, when I don't give a comment on a shot, it's because I really don't have one to give that may be constructive or helpful as opposed to being because I feel that the photographer has to somehow "earn" something or, enough respect with their shot to get a comment from me. I very much respect the idea that people have taken the time and tried to take and enter a photo into a challenge, whether I love it or not. Yes, there are some that are blatantly "in your face...I shot anything and entered it" type shots (ie: a black box, or a word written on paper and very poorly photographed at that) but, those are fewer rather than many, thankfully. For the most part, most entries have had some thought, time or effort put into them. As someone else has pointed out in this thread too, how does one decipher whose photos are just toying and whose photos are rough because they are beginners and are trying to still learn photography?
I looked at that idea for a moment about "earning" a comment and I had to wonder how anyone can judge what has been "earned"??? To whose criteria are they attempting to "earn" a comment? And, what qualifications or levels of expertise would they need to achieve in order to "earn" that comment?
As an additional point, I see photographer's works who are low scoring in certain challenges with very few comments during challenge and yet, post challenge, all of a sudden there are quite a number more comments added with praises added. However, those ranking a bit above and those a bit below that position have nothing added post challenge. Is that suggestive of the idea that once a participant's ID is known, it has "earned" the right to have comments by virtue of WHO photographed it? |
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02/16/2009 11:03:57 PM · #180 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
My original point behind the pop-up box for the 1 to 3 votes was that it made the voter THINK more about giving out 1 to 3 votes before giving them. Not that I was advocating making comments mandatory, but simply that it gives the voter a moment's pause to re-think the fact that they are about to hand out an extremely low vote before they do it. As I said earlier on, when I first started here, that pop-up box was in effect. It made me stop and think about the photo a second time before I handed out the score. It didn't MAKE me have to comment. It wasn't mandatory but, what it did do, was to make me stop and think about what score I was handing out and quickly re-evaluate it in my mind. If I still felt it deserved that low a vote....it got it, whether I had a comment for it or not but, I did try to explain the why if I could. It also tended to create a bit of resistance for those who felt the need to go through each challenge, easily and freely handing out the 1 to 3 votes quickly and easily and without much thought. In all reality, take a look at some of the 1 to 3 votes that have been handed out on some of your shots. Do you really think that your photos were worthy of that low a score from anyone? I can say that they didn't. That was my point. |
I wonder if there's any stats available on whether or not having that prompt had any affect on low votes?
Maybe if anyone could give me its start and end dates I could look for myself. SC, do you have any way to find out? |
I can tell you this - if it did it was very, very small.
Mean and min votes have risen steadily since the beginning, high votes are pretty steady. So maybe some people got a 5.5 when they would have gotten a 5.4 (assuming that the pop-up was responsible for the slight uptick in mean votes during 2006, which we'd need to have the dates to confirm), to which I say... so? |
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02/16/2009 11:05:18 PM · #181 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
For the second category, I'm personally not interested: everything I did, more or less, I did consciously and for a reason, and if it doesn't work *for you* that's not a problem with me, that's just the way it goes. I'm talking about stuff like I take a shot with a background figure VERY OOF and the commenter tells me "this would work better if the figure in the BG were in focus", stuff like that. It's not useful feedback to me, I didn't make the picture to please that voter, I made it to please myself.
I mean, I'm not a hardass about this, but I'm basically not interested in *why* people give me ,low scores. |
Quite a valid point and explanation.
I've gotten to the point where I pretty much don't enter an image unless I'm comfortable and pretty happy with the end result. So if you tell me it needs this or that, you're basically wrong because in most cases, I'm "done" with the image......I don't feel any more tinkering is required. That was what was the most important part of learning not to enter an image unless I was okay with it because there will ALWAYS be someone who feels obligated to tell you what to do to "Fix" your image. Since I am fine with my image, I just check the box on the assumption that the person meant the comment as helpful.
I'm DEFINITELY interested in knowing why the image didn't resonate with you, I just don't really want the advice on how to fix it......and I really don't much care for it when I get a glib one/two-liner on what's wrong with it, like "Out of focus" when I intentionally despeckled and used noise reduction to get a soft, smooth look. More often than not that seems to be a side effect of the two second viewer.
But I'll gladly live with the occasional knee-jerk, hurried, or insensitive comment for all the ones I get where the person obviously has been moved at least a little bit and decided to take the time to leave a comment, good or bad. As long as the comment is obviously honest, then tell me you don't like it.....but DO tell me why.
I think ultimately, the people who are brave enough to be honest and vote an image low are generally decent enough to tell you that your image just didn't work for this or that reason.......some have just been harassed for doing so and are not so inclined to do so.
One thing this site never seems to be is satisfied with the comments....they're too nice, not nice enough; mean-spirited, sappy and inconsequential; too short, rambling and irrelevant.
You can't win!......8>)
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02/16/2009 11:08:15 PM · #182 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
My original point behind the pop-up box for the 1 to 3 votes was that it made the voter THINK more about giving out 1 to 3 votes before giving them. Not that I was advocating making comments mandatory, but simply that it gives the voter a moment's pause to re-think the fact that they are about to hand out an extremely low vote before they do it. As I said earlier on, when I first started here, that pop-up box was in effect. It made me stop and think about the photo a second time before I handed out the score. It didn't MAKE me have to comment. It wasn't mandatory but, what it did do, was to make me stop and think about what score I was handing out and quickly re-evaluate it in my mind. If I still felt it deserved that low a vote....it got it, whether I had a comment for it or not but, I did try to explain the why if I could. It also tended to create a bit of resistance for those who felt the need to go through each challenge, easily and freely handing out the 1 to 3 votes quickly and easily and without much thought. In all reality, take a look at some of the 1 to 3 votes that have been handed out on some of your shots. Do you really think that your photos were worthy of that low a score from anyone? I can say that they didn't. That was my point. |
I wonder if there's any stats available on whether or not having that prompt had any affect on low votes?
Maybe if anyone could give me its start and end dates I could look for myself. SC, do you have any way to find out? |
It must have made some difference because in one thread, it was debated that the entire voting would shift from a 3 to a 4. It would be interesting to see if in fact, it did make a difference by the stats, IF they are available. :) |
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02/16/2009 11:09:18 PM · #183 |
Okay, found the rough start date from this thread and this one. Don't know when it finished, though.
I see a lot of varying opinions on it, too... |
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02/16/2009 11:11:56 PM · #184 |
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
My original point behind the pop-up box for the 1 to 3 votes was that it made the voter THINK more about giving out 1 to 3 votes before giving them. Not that I was advocating making comments mandatory, but simply that it gives the voter a moment's pause to re-think the fact that they are about to hand out an extremely low vote before they do it. As I said earlier on, when I first started here, that pop-up box was in effect. It made me stop and think about the photo a second time before I handed out the score. It didn't MAKE me have to comment. It wasn't mandatory but, what it did do, was to make me stop and think about what score I was handing out and quickly re-evaluate it in my mind. If I still felt it deserved that low a vote....it got it, whether I had a comment for it or not but, I did try to explain the why if I could. It also tended to create a bit of resistance for those who felt the need to go through each challenge, easily and freely handing out the 1 to 3 votes quickly and easily and without much thought. In all reality, take a look at some of the 1 to 3 votes that have been handed out on some of your shots. Do you really think that your photos were worthy of that low a score from anyone? I can say that they didn't. That was my point. |
I wonder if there's any stats available on whether or not having that prompt had any affect on low votes?
Maybe if anyone could give me its start and end dates I could look for myself. SC, do you have any way to find out? |
It must have made some difference because in one thread, it was debated that the entire voting would shift from a 3 to a 4. It would be interesting to see if in fact, it did make a difference by the stats, IF they are available. :) |
Yeah, I guess it won't prove anything either way. IF scores did increase there's no way to tell if it was because "it also tended to create a bit of resistance for those who felt the need to go through each challenge, easily and freely handing out the 1 to 3 votes quickly and easily and without much thought" or because they simply raised their base score to avoid the popup.
eta; by the way, it was implemented less than a week before you joined :)
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02/16/2009 11:12:33 PM · #185 |
Ok. I've read enough. Geeesh!
We do NOT need mandatory comments of any sort - comments are a gift. If someone is compelled to make a comment, great! If not - move along.
We also do NOT need popup windows, that in essence say do you really want to cast that vote? Yes, if I'm casting a vote of 1, 2, or 3 I know why and it's my choice to make a comment - or not.
Can you imagine the flame wars that would take place if for every vote of 3 or less a comment had to be associated with it, regardless of the nature of the comment? Aiii-yiii-YIII!
Get some thicker skin folks. Some people are going to like your photo, some aren't. If you're not getting enough feedback/comments during the challenge (which are quite often just fluff anyway - I wonder why?!), then post to a forum thread after the challenge. Most of the time you'll get honest opinions and feedback at that point.
Edit to add - the popup that used to show on a vote of 3 or under, only came up the first time a 3 or under vote was made. After that first time it didn't come up anymore. No bearing on stats whatsoever. Now where's that dead horse icon?
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02/16/2009 11:12:53 PM · #186 |
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
My original point behind the pop-up box for the 1 to 3 votes was that it made the voter THINK more about giving out 1 to 3 votes before giving them. Not that I was advocating making comments mandatory, but simply that it gives the voter a moment's pause to re-think the fact that they are about to hand out an extremely low vote before they do it. As I said earlier on, when I first started here, that pop-up box was in effect. It made me stop and think about the photo a second time before I handed out the score. It didn't MAKE me have to comment. It wasn't mandatory but, what it did do, was to make me stop and think about what score I was handing out and quickly re-evaluate it in my mind. If I still felt it deserved that low a vote....it got it, whether I had a comment for it or not but, I did try to explain the why if I could. It also tended to create a bit of resistance for those who felt the need to go through each challenge, easily and freely handing out the 1 to 3 votes quickly and easily and without much thought. In all reality, take a look at some of the 1 to 3 votes that have been handed out on some of your shots. Do you really think that your photos were worthy of that low a score from anyone? I can say that they didn't. That was my point. |
I guess I remain baffled by why anyone would care much. If you don't think your pic deserved a 1 or a 2, shrug and say "oh well" and move on. I don't understand why there should be a system implemented to protect people from getting 1 votes.
My last entry got 3 ones and 7 twos, and while I don't think it deserved that my girlfriend didn't leave me, I didn't get fired, and while a dog peed on my rug this weekend I don't think the two were related.
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02/16/2009 11:12:57 PM · #187 |
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
As an additional point, I see photographer's works who are low scoring in certain challenges with very few comments during challenge and yet, post challenge, all of a sudden there are quite a number more comments added with praises added. However, those ranking a bit above and those a bit below that position have nothing added post challenge. Is that suggestive of the idea that once a participant's ID is known, it has "earned" the right to have comments by virtue of WHO photographed it? |
Quite frankly, yes.
If you have a lot of friends, especially wordy, happy friends, you're going to get a lot of post-challenge comments when they find out which photo is yours. Especially if you belong to one of the many side-groups that exist here.
That kind of thing is neither here nor there, regarding what one needs to do to get comments during a challenge. |
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02/16/2009 11:13:02 PM · #188 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
For the second category, I'm personally not interested: everything I did, more or less, I did consciously and for a reason, and if it doesn't work *for you* that's not a problem with me, that's just the way it goes. I'm talking about stuff like I take a shot with a background figure VERY OOF and the commenter tells me "this would work better if the figure in the BG were in focus", stuff like that. It's not useful feedback to me, I didn't make the picture to please that voter, I made it to please myself.
I mean, I'm not a hardass about this, but I'm basically not interested in *why* people give me ,low scores. |
Quite a valid point and explanation.
I've gotten to the point where I pretty much don't enter an image unless I'm comfortable and pretty happy with the end result. So if you tell me it needs this or that, you're basically wrong because in most cases, I'm "done" with the image......I don't feel any more tinkering is required. That was what was the most important part of learning not to enter an image unless I was okay with it because there will ALWAYS be someone who feels obligated to tell you what to do to "Fix" your image. Since I am fine with my image, I just check the box on the assumption that the person meant the comment as helpful.
I'm DEFINITELY interested in knowing why the image didn't resonate with you, I just don't really want the advice on how to fix it......and I really don't much care for it when I get a glib one/two-liner on what's wrong with it, like "Out of focus" when I intentionally despeckled and used noise reduction to get a soft, smooth look. More often than not that seems to be a side effect of the two second viewer.
But I'll gladly live with the occasional knee-jerk, hurried, or insensitive comment for all the ones I get where the person obviously has been moved at least a little bit and decided to take the time to leave a comment, good or bad. As long as the comment is obviously honest, then tell me you don't like it.....but DO tell me why.
I think ultimately, the people who are brave enough to be honest and vote an image low are generally decent enough to tell you that your image just didn't work for this or that reason.......some have just been harassed for doing so and are not so inclined to do so.
One thing this site never seems to be is satisfied with the comments....they're too nice, not nice enough; mean-spirited, sappy and inconsequential; too short, rambling and irrelevant.
You can't win!......8>) |
LOL
Oh....Jeb....be careful here....you might be considered one of the ones who "simply wants a pat on the back". *wink* (meant to be tongue-in-cheek humorous ONLY) |
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02/16/2009 11:15:30 PM · #189 |
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
I looked at that idea for a moment about "earning" a comment and I had to wonder how anyone can judge what has been "earned"??? To whose criteria are they attempting to "earn" a comment? And, what qualifications or levels of expertise would they need to achieve in order to "earn" that comment? |
That's where the subjective part comes in......going back to the jam discussion.....I *LOVE* old abandoned things (See my flash in the pan ribbons! LOL!!!), and I will always vote some old racked out car captured in situ where the circumstances just happened to work out way over a studio portrait of a concept car any day. It's merely taste. I see the rarity in having the "perfect" abandoned car shot where to me ANY studio shot can be replicated.
If you don't like cars at all, then the two images that OI vote a 7 & 8 respectively for their content may get a passing 5 from you jyust because they don't speak to you on any level.
The shots didn't "Earn" your interest, so therefore why bother to leave a comment at all?
Kind of falls back on that inconsequential thing......personally, I'd rather you left no comment at all than just squoze one out out of some sense of obligation you had to do so. If it's a mediocre image on the technicals, and you can barely drag yourself out of a coma to give it a 2 or 3, why on earth does it deserve a comment?
Now if it pissed you off and you hated it, then tell me, and why.
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02/16/2009 11:20:13 PM · #190 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
As an additional point, I see photographer's works who are low scoring in certain challenges with very few comments during challenge and yet, post challenge, all of a sudden there are quite a number more comments added with praises added. However, those ranking a bit above and those a bit below that position have nothing added post challenge. Is that suggestive of the idea that once a participant's ID is known, it has "earned" the right to have comments by virtue of WHO photographed it? |
Quite frankly, yes.
If you have a lot of friends, especially wordy, happy friends, you're going to get a lot of post-challenge comments when they find out which photo is yours. Especially if you belong to one of the many side-groups that exist here.
That kind of thing is neither here nor there, regarding what one needs to do to get comments during a challenge. |
Well, my point was more in reference to the post about "earning" comments. If one were to get a lot of post challenge comments, then the method by which those comments have been "earned" is via having lots of friends or being part of a group/team rather than the true merit of a shot. |
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02/16/2009 11:20:59 PM · #191 |
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
As an additional point, I see photographer's works who are low scoring in certain challenges with very few comments during challenge and yet, post challenge, all of a sudden there are quite a number more comments added with praises added. However, those ranking a bit above and those a bit below that position have nothing added post challenge. Is that suggestive of the idea that once a participant's ID is known, it has "earned" the right to have comments by virtue of WHO photographed it? |
Quite frankly, yes.
If you have a lot of friends, especially wordy, happy friends, you're going to get a lot of post-challenge comments when they find out which photo is yours. Especially if you belong to one of the many side-groups that exist here.
That kind of thing is neither here nor there, regarding what one needs to do to get comments during a challenge. |
Well, my point was more in reference to the post about "earning" comments. If one were to get a lot of post challenge comments, then the method by which those comments have been "earned" is via having lots of friends or being part of a group/team rather than the true merit of a shot. |
Yes, which has nothing at all to do with anything that Yanko was talking about. |
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02/16/2009 11:29:07 PM · #192 |
This thread went from this (OP)-->
Originally posted by bcenu:
Genuine mid to high scoring entrants are frustrated by others who, in every challenge it seems, burst their bubbles by throwing in a 1 or 2 vote without explanation. My suggestion is that the DPC site make it mandatory to leave a comment if you wish to give a 1 or 2 vote. In other words you cannot leave the low vote without filling in the comment box before moving on to the next entry. This may deter the people wishing to boost their own score or from just being mean and not caring about the challenge submissions at all. On the other hand, if you are giving a 1 or 2 vote because the picture is of a low standard tell the person why, after all, we are all here to better ourselves as photographers, aren't we? |
...to this ??? -->
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
Well, my point was more in reference to the post about "earning" comments. If one were to get a lot of post challenge comments, then the method by which those comments have been "earned" is via having lots of friends or being part of a group/team rather than the true merit of a shot. |
Sounds like a bit of comment envy going on. :-) |
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02/17/2009 12:38:29 AM · #193 |
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by yospiff:
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
the question will still be "why" and "what about it doesn't interest people?", won't it? How does one learn then? Everyone talks about "learning" from these challenges and comments but, how does one learn then if one can only "assume" that it's not the quality of your image...but, rather it simply doesn't "interest" people? What about the new member who comes in here with a horribly focused shot, over-exposed, under-exposed, terrible angle etc. and keeps scoring in the 1 to 3 ranges with their shots? Should they continue to assume that it's not their photography...it's just that they haven't photographed something that interests the voters and goes on to try differing subjects with the same poor quality? :) |
A valid flipside to the argument. I feel very much on the fence here. I agree with Photointerest on the desire and need for the feedback, but I also understand how some other folks such as Ubique do not see a reason to spend time on entries that don't catch their interest. I guess it depends on one's personal philosophy and why they are here participating on this site.
Myself, I think I'm just a glutton for punishment. |
It might help if you looked at receiving comments as a form of transaction between two parties, the photographer and the viewer. You can't expect the viewer to give you something for nothing. You have to first offer something to the viewer, in this case making your photo interesting in some way. If you fail to do that you shouldn't expect anything in return. It's really that simple. |
Most of the time, when I don't give a comment on a shot, it's because I really don't have one to give that may be constructive or helpful as opposed to being because I feel that the photographer has to somehow "earn" something or, enough respect with their shot to get a comment from me. I very much respect the idea that people have taken the time and tried to take and enter a photo into a challenge, whether I love it or not. Yes, there are some that are blatantly "in your face...I shot anything and entered it" type shots (ie: a black box, or a word written on paper and very poorly photographed at that) but, those are fewer rather than many, thankfully. For the most part, most entries have had some thought, time or effort put into them. As someone else has pointed out in this thread too, how does one decipher whose photos are just toying and whose photos are rough because they are beginners and are trying to still learn photography?
I looked at that idea for a moment about "earning" a comment and I had to wonder how anyone can judge what has been "earned"??? To whose criteria are they attempting to "earn" a comment? And, what qualifications or levels of expertise would they need to achieve in order to "earn" that comment?
As an additional point, I see photographer's works who are low scoring in certain challenges with very few comments during challenge and yet, post challenge, all of a sudden there are quite a number more comments added with praises added. However, those ranking a bit above and those a bit below that position have nothing added post challenge. Is that suggestive of the idea that once a participant's ID is known, it has "earned" the right to have comments by virtue of WHO photographed it? |
I didn't use the word earned I said interest, there's a difference so lets stick with the wording I used. Speaking of interest, I noticed that you focused on low scoring challenge entries, which btw (no offense) you have your share of. In addition almost all of the photos you've uploaded to this site was for challenges. Don't you know that there are countless non-challenge photos without any comments whatsoever? It seems to me the cause you chose was made at least in part to personal interest. Now there's nothing wrong with that except of course it makes you just as guilty as the people you're arguing against (ex Ubique).
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02/17/2009 12:43:05 AM · #194 |
| I didn't realize I was 'guilty' of anything, Richard. |
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02/17/2009 01:47:14 AM · #195 |
Originally posted by ubique:
I didn't realize I was 'guilty' of anything, Richard. |
Perhaps I misunderstood the argument. It seemed to me that you and PhotoInterest were at odds as to why comments should be left. You only leave comments if the photo is interesting and she is saying it shouldn't have to earn that status in order to receive a comment. My point was she is doing the same thing (i.e. requiring a personal interest) in order to champion this cause since I pointed out there are far more non-challenge photos without any comments yet she is not fighting for those. So in the end she is like you in that she is picking and choosing what to focus her might on based on personal interest.
ETA: I have no problems with why you comment. I also do the same thing.
Message edited by author 2009-02-17 01:49:43.
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02/17/2009 02:13:38 AM · #196 |
Originally posted by yanko:
... So in the end she is like you ... |
Crikey! That's a chilling thought.
Not quite alike though; I don't care how anyone else votes, nor why, nor when ... I don't even care if they vote at all. I don't care if they comment, I don't care what they comment on, and I don't care why they comment (or why not). None of that is my business at all.
I only got into this tangle with PhotoInterest because she was challenging low voters (in an earlier thread) for comments to explain those low scores. I offered to provide her with comments to explain the low scores I'd given to her own recent entries (four consecutive 3 votes) and, predictably, she declined.
Most people who say they want justification for low scores are not looking for help at all; they are merely flailing. |
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02/17/2009 06:45:33 AM · #197 |
Originally posted by ubique:
Most people who say they want justification for low scores are not looking for help at all; they are merely flailing. |
No need to actually point that out......you're supposed to let them figure it out for themselves!.......8>)
Seriously, it seems to me that after you're here for a while, you establish what it is that's your style and system, and then the actual voting/commenting thing can be used to your advantage if what you're trying to do is cultivate a score.
It seems that the more comfortable you get within your own parameters, the less difference the actual score makes, and the more fun you can have with where you decide you want to go with a challenge theme.
It certainly doesn't matter in the grand scheme what kind of reception that your imagery gets here in the weekly contests. Speaking for myself, what I get from DP Challenge is the help and ideas that I may improve as a photographer, and develop who I ma in that respect.
In that, this place has decidedly been invaluable.
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02/17/2009 06:54:28 AM · #198 |
Originally posted by ubique:
Originally posted by yanko:
... So in the end she is like you ... |
Crikey! That's a chilling thought.
Most people who say they want justification for low scores are not looking for help at all; they are merely flailing. |
I am curious why Rose declined your offer of comments on her low scoring images? |
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02/17/2009 07:23:57 AM · #199 |
Holy toledo, Batman! I just checked in on this thread... I am now very inclined to go vote a challenge, leave tons of 3s (probably at random) and comment as to why. I shall quote the thread number as my reason.
Seriously, go vote. Quit pontificating. Comment on random shots. Have a good time. Enjoy life. Take more pictures.
Oh, and visit my profile page so my little flag counter thingie gets more hits.
Message edited by author 2009-02-17 07:25:05. |
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02/17/2009 08:12:51 AM · #200 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Holy toledo, Batman! I just checked in on this thread... I am now very inclined to go vote a challenge, leave tons of 3s (probably at random) and comment as to why. I shall quote the thread number as my reason.
Seriously, go vote. Quit pontificating. Comment on random shots. Have a good time. Enjoy life. Take more pictures.
Oh, and visit my profile page so my little flag counter thingie gets more hits. |
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