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02/04/2009 03:39:46 PM · #1 |
I've noticed for each challenge I normalize my votes around 5. If there are a lot of (in my opinion) weak pictures I will up scale the votes, if there are a lot of stealer pictures I am a harder judge... Do you guys do the same? And whats your opinion on the subject?
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02/04/2009 03:42:04 PM · #2 |
| I vote and let my avg fall where they may. I just go through the rankings at the end and be sure each photo is comparable to its peers. |
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02/04/2009 03:42:32 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by Cboydrun:
I've noticed for each challenge I normalize my votes around 5. If there are a lot of (in my opinion) weak pictures I will up scale the votes, if there are a lot of stealer pictures I am a harder judge... Do you guys do the same? And whats your opinion on the subject? |
Yes I do actually. I try to have a fairly normal distribution of scores .... must be the social scientist in me. :-D |
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02/04/2009 03:42:49 PM · #4 |
No, I don't deliberately try to do that.
There are challenges that stand out - in both directions, and I think it is only fair if they are voted accordingly.
There have been times where my average vote cast was 4.xxx, other times in the high 6.xxx.
I just vote it as I see it. |
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02/04/2009 03:47:12 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by Hot_Pixel:
I vote and let my avg fall where they may. I just go through the rankings at the end and be sure each photo is comparable to its peers. |
I'll do the same thing. I've found that for the most part I'll end up with a fairly standard distribution (bell curve), but sometimes it is really surprising. |
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02/04/2009 03:48:29 PM · #6 |
I think some people do normalize it against the specific challenge. Freestudies seem to be judged much harder. You would think a high score would be easier to get in a freestudy, where you can enter your best shot from the month, but they seem tougher.
As for myself, I try to judge each image on it's own merits, not in relation to the rest of the challenge. Sometimes my average score given for a challenge will be higher or lower than normal because of this. |
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02/04/2009 04:14:44 PM · #7 |
| I do the same basic thing each time--no normalizing, but I go thru a first pass vote. I give 6-7's (sometimes higher in the first pass, but not often) to the images I like best, then I go back and spend extra time with those and expand that 6-7 scale to 6-9's, then I go thru them again looking for potential 10s. I usually, if time permits, go back thru again a day or so before the challenge ends with "fresh" eyes and see if I shortchanged anyone, etc. |
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02/04/2009 04:20:46 PM · #8 |
This question got me thinking... do I 'normalize' my votes or do I look at the challenges differently?
Well, I think that there is definitely no normalization, sub- or just conscious. Free study usually ends up getting a 6.5+ average while for any given challenge I may hover around 6. However, on the question of voting on a free study vs. voting on a speed challenge (as those are two extremes with respect to time allowed for making the image), I will admit that I do tend to allocate higher score to an otherwise equal image in a speed challenge than to a free study image.
Think of it this way: if you saw a perfect portrait in a portrait challenge, that's a 10. (well, for some people 7 or 8. For me, 10). If you see the same portrait in a street challenge, that may be a 6 (or 1,2,3 for some). Now, extrapolate this to a free study vs. themed challenge topic: having a thematic photo that meets the challenge topic well done will get the high marks, close to the higher boundary of the 8-10 range from me. The same photo in a free study will receive mark on the lower boundary of the 8-10 range.
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02/04/2009 04:29:36 PM · #9 |
i very rarely give out a vote of less than 5 these days .. so its the middle of the road, uninspiring and snapshot type of images that get that score ..
if i see a photograph that is extremely ordinary i usually dont vote on it at all ..
i try and see all the good things in the photograph rather than the bad .. and realise that sometimes meeting the challenge can take more forms that the obvious ..
i vote on how that photograph affects me and to a lesser degree how it stacks up against the others in the challenge ..
i got thru and do a first vote and then look at all the votes i've made in the voting breakdown and make comparisons & i usually make some changes then ..
i think i have a 'mean' that i go off no matter wot challenge i'm voting in .. outstanding photographs are outstanding photographs no matter where i see them and the same for ordinary snapshots .. of course i take into account the challenge requirements .. :)
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02/04/2009 07:24:10 PM · #10 |
| Can someone explain to me why the scores I give photos do not seem to stick? I write what I give with my comments sometimes and when I go back to look at them after the voting is over, the red line is a point below what I gave. I don't get it. What's the point of voting if they are going to change my vote? |
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02/04/2009 07:29:59 PM · #11 |
| They do that to all Yankees. Your vote is not worth as much as a southern vote :) |
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02/04/2009 07:43:46 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by teranb:
Can someone explain to me why the scores I give photos do not seem to stick? I write what I give with my comments sometimes and when I go back to look at them after the voting is over, the red line is a point below what I gave. I don't get it. What's the point of voting if they are going to change my vote? |
that's really weird ..
why dont you just ask the sc .?. :)
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02/04/2009 07:50:07 PM · #13 |
| How do I contact the SC? Sorry if my questions are dumb. I am new to the site. Thanks for your help everyone. |
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02/04/2009 07:53:47 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by teranb:
How do I contact the SC? Sorry if my questions are dumb. I am new to the site. Thanks for your help everyone. |
no problem teran ..
on the blue bar at the top of the dpc page where you've got 'my home, challenges, community, league, photos, equipment, learn, dpcprints and help'
click on contact us in the drop down under help ..
you'll be able to work it out from there .. :)
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02/04/2009 08:11:11 PM · #15 |
I tend to normalize because not all challenge topics are as easy to shoot for. Usually the lowest scoring challenges have the hardest topics to be creative for. Why rate a Sunset/Sunrise challenge higher than Sound. Sunsets/Sunrises are naturally nicer to look at. Therefore, bonus points for trying the tougher challenges.
Tim |
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02/04/2009 08:55:23 PM · #16 |
it'd be great if voters took into consideration the difficulties of shooting for a particular challenge or a particular photograph .. i think as a general rule they dont .
eg .. getting insects posing in the way you want them, totally in focus and looking good in the background is particularly difficult .. i understand that insects arent everyone's cup of tea, but even if ppl dont have an aversion i dont think i get a higher score because the voter goes 'sheesh .. that must'v been really hard to get' ..
i believe most voters just see the image .. give it one or five seconds and react on a gut level .. and then score accordingly .. :)
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02/04/2009 11:26:08 PM · #17 |
Not always, but sometimes if my overall average of votes given on a challenge seems too low, I'll go back and try to look at photos with a more forgiving eye.
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02/04/2009 11:33:22 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by Cboydrun:
I've noticed for each challenge I normalize my votes around 5. ... |
I try to have an independent scale. If there are lots of extremely good pictures, them more 7-10 scores. If lots of average pictures, then more 5's and 6's. Trying to grade on a curve, with every challenge getting some 10's and some 1's doesn't work for me. Recently Ive been trying to comment more than vote.
If you do try to "normalize" within each challenge, remember that midpoint from 1 to 10 is 5.5. For the midpoint to be 5.0 you would need to use a scale that starts at zero. On the DPC scale, 5.0 is definitely below the midpoint, so it might be worth considering recalibrating if you decide to stick wtih that approach. |
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02/05/2009 12:42:15 AM · #19 |
Although I havent voted in a while, this is what I usually do:
- Make a first pass through the images and rate them with the first instinct.
- Make a second pass and raise the highest rated one to a 10.. then incrementally raise all the rest with to follow the train. In the same pass, I make sure the lowest vote is not below a 4. Very rarely that cuold be the case.. but then you deserved it too ;-)
- (Optional) Make a final pass and make sure I didnt mis-rate any images. |
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