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12/14/2008 07:29:50 PM · #26 |
Life is full of choices. Everybody has basically the same ones to make. Everyone in America knows that killing someone is against the law. If they choose to still live in America and still choose to kill someone even though they know that the law in America says it's illegal, they're making the decision to accept the consequences... whether they think the law is wrong or not.
When I choose to speed, knowing the speed limit is 55mph... and I know that I can control my car at 65 mph (so I think the law is wrong) and still... I go 61mph, I am choosing to accept the speeding ticket.
Will I LIKE the speeding ticket? NO WAY!
Will I fight it? Nope. I knew going in what the consequences were for my behavior.
Would I speed on the way to the hospital with my bleeding child in the backseat? Yup. In fact, I have done that.
But, I think the law would not convict me.
Perhaps if I knew for a fact that that the law would convict me... that I definitely WOULD get a speeding ticket... or even that I would be put to death... I would rethink whether the risk for speeding was worth it.
Would I rather call the ambulance to get my child to the hospital? That way, I would not be put to death and life would be much better for my child with his mother there to care for him.
Life is all about choices and consequences.
Message edited by author 2008-12-14 19:53:51.
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12/14/2008 07:55:30 PM · #27 |
Message edited by author 2008-12-15 01:40:37. |
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12/14/2008 08:26:04 PM · #28 |
Forgive me but I'll have to get back to both of you sometime tomorrow if I can. Just didn't want you to think I ran out of words or something. I have boxes and boxes of them.
Be well everyone.
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12/14/2008 11:44:25 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by Photomom1981:
so are you saying yo have sympathy for a woman who killed her kid? that not only murdered her, but duct tapped her mouth shut, put her in a trash bag and dumped her in the woods?
who then proceeded to go out and have club promoting parties, buy sexy underwear, and act as though nothing happened only to waste 1000's of peoples time searching for her with Texas equisearch who could have been out saving another childs life who had a chance?
call me a bit*h or what ever but no way could I have sympathy for ANYONE like that.
I understand that the world has people with mental defects and don't know what they are doing when the do it. does it make it right now, would I be a tad bit understanding.. maybe, maybe not. a child killer is a child killer in my book. although in that case i would wonder about the father who left the mother alone with the mentally defected person. but that is a whole nother topic.. do you guys remember the woman wo drove her boys into the lake? or the one who drowned them in the tub? 5 kids.. you held underwater..
ugh, don't get me started.. |
Has she been tried and convicted? Aside from in the court of public opinion and media?
Do you know her personally? How do you know why she did any of those things? Are you psychic?
Stop being such a media lemming jumping from A to Z while missing the letters in between just because you're under the spell of what's on the news.
Look at how belligerent you got over my interpretation of how you relayed your husband's punishment of your son. Yet here you sit doing exactly the same thing to Casey Anthony.
Nice.
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12/14/2008 11:47:47 PM · #30 |
Message edited by author 2008-12-15 01:40:23. |
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12/14/2008 11:57:04 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Photomom1981:
oh i'm sorry Spazz.. i thought I sent you the memo to bug off..it seems you enjoy just to stir people up, yes I went back and searched many of your inputs in the forum and well personally I would rather not even converse with you.
Anyone know where that ignore button is? |
Photomom, from where I sit I can see that you've made some pretty aggressive, offensive, and pot-stirring posts yourself. Since there are two rather Rantish ones just in this thread, that's the area to which it's getting moved.
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12/15/2008 12:47:50 AM · #32 |
I've hidden the past two posts because of their "back and forth" and for not having anything whatsoever to do with the topic.
Please leave personalities out of it and try to stay on topic, at least marginally (preferably totally). |
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12/15/2008 12:51:21 AM · #33 |
Now I am worried this thread will get locked before I refresh my brain enough to post, then again maybe I would be wise to run the other direction?
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12/15/2008 12:54:37 AM · #34 |
| It won't be locked as long as people will not personally insult eachother. :) |
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12/15/2008 12:54:53 AM · #35 |
I feel all weird inside reading this thread.
The woman who killed her five kids had a verifiable psychological condition called postpartum depression or post natal depression, look it up. I'm surprised you bring her up seeing this is a problem that many women suffer through after giving birth.
That other woman you mentioned did it because she thought her new boyfriend would want to be with her more if she wasn't a mother so she decided to kill them and blame it on a black person. She deserves a life sentence without parole, but not the woman suffering from post postpartum depression.
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12/15/2008 01:15:05 AM · #36 |
Message edited by author 2008-12-15 01:40:10. |
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12/15/2008 01:22:56 AM · #37 |
Message edited by author 2008-12-15 01:39:57. |
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12/15/2008 01:30:30 AM · #38 |
nm
Message edited by author 2008-12-15 01:32:48. |
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12/15/2008 01:31:43 AM · #39 |
Oh for crying out loud.
eta: Please review forum rules 11, 12, 13, 14.
If this cannot get back on the topic at hand, it will be locked.
The topic, since it would appear a reminder is needed, is about Casey Anthony's remains being found.
It's a pretty broad topic. Try to stay at least marginally within it please.
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12/15/2008 01:47:51 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by LydiaToo:
Life is full of choices. Everybody has basically the same ones to make. Everyone in America knows that killing someone is against the law. If they choose to still live in America and still choose to kill someone even though they know that the law in America says it's illegal, they're making the decision to accept the consequences... whether they think the law is wrong or not.
When I choose to speed, knowing the speed limit is 55mph... and I know that I can control my car at 65 mph (so I think the law is wrong) and still... I go 61mph, I am choosing to accept the speeding ticket.
Will I LIKE the speeding ticket? NO WAY!
Will I fight it? Nope. I knew going in what the consequences were for my behavior.
Would I speed on the way to the hospital with my bleeding child in the backseat? Yup. In fact, I have done that.
But, I think the law would not convict me.
Perhaps if I knew for a fact that that the law would convict me... that I definitely WOULD get a speeding ticket... or even that I would be put to death... I would rethink whether the risk for speeding was worth it.
Would I rather call the ambulance to get my child to the hospital? That way, I would not be put to death and life would be much better for my child with his mother there to care for him.
Life is all about choices and consequences. |
Strangely enough, it's been proven that the death penalty doesn't have any significant affect on violent crime rates. In that case, its only purpose would be revenge, pure and simple (except that revenge is never pure OR simple).
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12/15/2008 01:57:26 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Originally posted by LydiaToo:
Life is full of choices. Everybody has basically the same ones to make. Everyone in America knows that killing someone is against the law. If they choose to still live in America and still choose to kill someone even though they know that the law in America says it's illegal, they're making the decision to accept the consequences... whether they think the law is wrong or not.
When I choose to speed, knowing the speed limit is 55mph... and I know that I can control my car at 65 mph (so I think the law is wrong) and still... I go 61mph, I am choosing to accept the speeding ticket.
Will I LIKE the speeding ticket? NO WAY!
Will I fight it? Nope. I knew going in what the consequences were for my behavior.
Would I speed on the way to the hospital with my bleeding child in the backseat? Yup. In fact, I have done that.
But, I think the law would not convict me.
Perhaps if I knew for a fact that that the law would convict me... that I definitely WOULD get a speeding ticket... or even that I would be put to death... I would rethink whether the risk for speeding was worth it.
Would I rather call the ambulance to get my child to the hospital? That way, I would not be put to death and life would be much better for my child with his mother there to care for him.
Life is all about choices and consequences. |
Strangely enough, it's been proven that the death penalty doesn't have any significant affect on violent crime rates. In that case, it's only purpose would be revenge, pure and simple (except that revenge is never pure OR simple). |
I tend to agree, I think. Most of the "criminals" I have known (and there have been several due to the environment that I teach) do not think they will ever get caught -- for anything. A person that is willing to commit a crime that could potentially receive the death penalty is already off-kilter a bit in their thinking anyway and seem to think that the rules won't/can't/don't apply to them. |
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12/15/2008 02:22:38 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by LydiaToo:
Life is full of choices. Everybody has basically the same ones to make. Everyone in America knows that killing someone is against the law. If they choose to still live in America and still choose to kill someone even though they know that the law in America says it's illegal, they're making the decision to accept the consequences... whether they think the law is wrong or not. |
This I agree with for the most part. It bothers me a bit thinking about someone being homeless and stealing food. They are breaking the law and know it. Should they be condemned?
Originally posted by LydiaToo:
When I choose to speed, knowing the speed limit is 55mph... and I know that I can control my car at 65 mph (so I think the law is wrong) and still... I go 61mph, I am choosing to accept the speeding ticket.
Will I LIKE the speeding ticket? NO WAY!
Will I fight it? Nope. I knew going in what the consequences were for my behavior.
Would I speed on the way to the hospital with my bleeding child in the backseat? Yup. In fact, I have done that.
But, I think the law would not convict me. |
Again I agree, this seems perfectly logical and true also.
Originally posted by LydiaToo:
Perhaps if I knew for a fact that that the law would convict me... that I definitely WOULD get a speeding ticket... or even that I would be put to death... I would rethink whether the risk for speeding was worth it.
Would I rather call the ambulance to get my child to the hospital? That way, I would not be put to death and life would be much better for my child with his mother there to care for him.
Life is all about choices and consequences. |
Do you believe it is reasonable to make the penalty for speeding death? Or even a life sentence? I agree it will discourage more speeding.
Do you believe it is reasonable that in the process of trying to help your child that you would be convicted and separated from the child therefore harming the child in the process?
I don't disagree with laws and penalties per say, at least I not to the extent I feel it needs to be part of my position here. I'm not arguing for her not to go to prison. What I was trying to get at, is I feel the same about criminals, as I do non-criminals. My humanity does not die because they make the wrong choice. I feel sorry for what they have put themselves into and I wonder what would drive that person to do what they did.
I certainly do not think they should suffer for what they did. It has been shown that it rarely makes the victims feel better and it just makes one more person feel worse. It removes from the system instead of adding to it. The answer to a loss of life is not increasing the loss of life. It is altering that life to make up something good, or in doing no further harm if nothing else can be done.
Yes, making criminals suffer might prove a deterrent for some, but not all, nor does it change the fact that if they see a way to get away with it they will try. It is unreliable for the damage I believe it causes to society, which criminals are still members of, even if isolated behind stone walls.
Originally posted by Photomom1981:
so are you saying yo have sympathy for a woman who killed her kid? that not only murdered her, but duct tapped her mouth shut, put her in a trash bag and dumped her in the woods?
who then proceeded to go out and have club promoting parties, buy sexy underwear, and act as though nothing happened only to waste 1000's of peoples time searching for her with Texas equisearch who could have been out saving another childs life who had a chance? |
Yes, I have sympathy for someone like that, if anything, a little bit more. Crazy? The way I see it, if she is guilty, of everything suspected. She is really fucking out there, really really screwed up. I mean, to kill your own kid, your own flesh and blood in cold murder. Just how badly wired in the head do you have to be for that? That is just nuts. I feel sorry for her, for being so screwed up that all this happened, that she thought it was a good choice, that she didn't care about her daughter, and that she couldn't empathize with those she was hurting around her.
Originally posted by Photomom1981:
call me a bit*h or what ever but no way could I have sympathy for ANYONE like that. |
I won't call you names, and I won't even think less of you. You are who you are, and you are making the choices you feel are right. Just like everyone. If I did not have compassion for you then I would be completely hypocritical to what I am trying to express. What you said makes me sad, yes, to a great degree but you are not alone in that. A lot of people feel exactly how you do, the gross majority I would even say.
Originally posted by Photomom1981:
I understand that the world has people with mental defects and don't know what they are doing when the do it. does it make it right now, would I be a tad bit understanding.. maybe, maybe not. |
I just want to make clear when I mentioned mental disease and homelessness as being two other hot button topics for me I was not relating them to this topic.
Originally posted by Photomom1981:
a child killer is a child killer in my book. |
So, just to be clear, you are saying you accept that some mental defects might prevent a person from knowing what they are doing, however in the case of killing a child it does not matter if they knew or not?
So I didn't wait until morning :)
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12/15/2008 03:06:24 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by togtog:
Originally posted by LydiaToo:
Life is full of choices. Everybody has basically the same ones to make. Everyone in America knows that killing someone is against the law. If they choose to still live in America and still choose to kill someone even though they know that the law in America says it's illegal, they're making the decision to accept the consequences... whether they think the law is wrong or not. |
This I agree with for the most part. It bothers me a bit thinking about someone being homeless and stealing food. They are breaking the law and know it. Should they be condemned? |
used to think they shouldn't be condemned if they were doing it for, you know, crucial and pitiful things like survival. but the problem with these law breakers is that, in their attempt to survive, they forget that the $10 they stole could also be the survival money of the victim. |
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12/15/2008 03:18:32 AM · #44 |
Originally posted by crayon:
Originally posted by togtog:
Originally posted by LydiaToo:
Life is full of choices. Everybody has basically the same ones to make. Everyone in America knows that killing someone is against the law. If they choose to still live in America and still choose to kill someone even though they know that the law in America says it's illegal, they're making the decision to accept the consequences... whether they think the law is wrong or not. |
This I agree with for the most part. It bothers me a bit thinking about someone being homeless and stealing food. They are breaking the law and know it. Should they be condemned? |
used to think they shouldn't be condemned if they were doing it for, you know, crucial and pitiful things like survival. but the problem with these law breakers is that, in their attempt to survive, they forget that the $10 they stole could also be the survival money of the victim. |
Oooh, this is refreshing, I don't often hear that angle. :)
What is the homeless person knew it would not affect the survival of who they were stealing from?
Personally I still find it hard to fault them. Looking at it from their view point, they are starving, they will die without food. Taking some food will save their own life. I can't exactly blame them for not planning out the impact of their actions. Just like I could not fault a person who broke into a house to escape a wild animal or someone trying to attack them. I believe when faced with desperation very little else is on ones mind. |
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12/15/2008 03:36:15 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by togtog:
Originally posted by crayon:
Originally posted by togtog:
Originally posted by LydiaToo:
Life is full of choices. Everybody has basically the same ones to make. Everyone in America knows that killing someone is against the law. If they choose to still live in America and still choose to kill someone even though they know that the law in America says it's illegal, they're making the decision to accept the consequences... whether they think the law is wrong or not. |
This I agree with for the most part. It bothers me a bit thinking about someone being homeless and stealing food. They are breaking the law and know it. Should they be condemned? |
used to think they shouldn't be condemned if they were doing it for, you know, crucial and pitiful things like survival. but the problem with these law breakers is that, in their attempt to survive, they forget that the $10 they stole could also be the survival money of the victim. |
Oooh, this is refreshing, I don't often hear that angle. :)
What is the homeless person knew it would not affect the survival of who they were stealing from? |
do you think they would care? when a person is pushed to desperation and commits crime to survive, more often than not, he had already pushed morality aside for his own survival.
Originally posted by togtog:
Personally I still find it hard to fault them. Looking at it from their view point, they are starving, they will die without food. Taking some food will save their own life. I can't exactly blame them for not planning out the impact of their actions. Just like I could not fault a person who broke into a house to escape a wild animal or someone trying to attack them. I believe when faced with desperation very little else is on ones mind. |
this i agree, cant blame them for breaking into the house to hide/escape, if they were being chased by wild animals. but if after breaking into the house and realized that the wild animal had followed him inside, and then conciously decides to threw the owner's sleeping 6-month old to fend off the wild animal - now THAT i find fault with! :)
the line is drawn when a person puts another person's life after his own |
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12/15/2008 08:53:06 AM · #46 |
ART.... ART COME HERE, ART!!!!!!!!!!!! COME WATCH THIS.....
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12/15/2008 01:17:38 PM · #47 |
| *Everyone pretends Art posts a picture of Godzilla breathing radioactive fire at Casey Anthony. ...and this thread. ...and it burns the popcorn. ...and the smell keeps everyone out. ...and everyone goes back to their real lives.* |
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