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12/02/2008 01:26:41 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
To a certain extent, 'til you get the basics, learn how to use the cvamera, and how NOT to make the same nmistakes time and time again, the staples and mainstays of photography is how you learn to work forward from there.
Some of us are perfectly happy to learn the standard techniques. |
That's step 1. All I'm suggesting is that it's possible to go further. Are you saying that DPC is only capable of supporting step 1? Are you saying that we shouldn't try to expand what is learnable on DPC?
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12/02/2008 01:49:18 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
To a certain extent, 'til you get the basics, learn how to use the camera, and how NOT to make the same mistakes time and time again, the staples and mainstays of photography is how you learn to work forward from there.
Some of us are perfectly happy to learn the standard techniques. |
Originally posted by posthumous:
That's step 1. All I'm suggesting is that it's possible to go further. Are you saying that DPC is only capable of supporting step 1? Are you saying that we shouldn't try to expand what is learnable on DPC? |
No....I meant what I said above.....no allusions, no inferences.
Read the last five words all by themselves.....to work forward from there
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12/02/2008 02:08:35 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
to work forward from there |
So you were agreeing with me the whole time? I swear, debating you is like wrestling a bar of soap. :D |
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12/02/2008 02:28:55 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
to work forward from there |
Originally posted by posthumous:
So you were agreeing with me the whole time? I swear, debating you is like wrestling a bar of soap. :D |
GOOD GRIEF NO!!!!!!.....8>)
I guess what I'm trying to say is that this site seems to be very much better suited for the enormous growth cycle that happens when you first start to have a clue. The increase at that point is phenomenal! And that happens a lot it seems.
I believe then it tapers off some and becomes individual growth rather than the more typical education.
I was so bad, and so clueless when I got here, yet to a certain extent I knew I had something.
This place has taught me both that I did in fact know something, yet couldn't trust it yet, and how to start becoming a photographer as opposed to someone who took decent pictures.
I still do a fair amount of really high level snapshots that are purpose driven, i.e. the local charity benefit dinner, the dog wash, the church picnic, but I now have work in local galleries that I shoot because I know how to achieve what I want.
Damn! I just said that out loud for the first time and it's real!
I do think that the nature of the photographer's evolution here kind of means that sooner or later he/she will just naturally leave as the art takes a different direction for the photographer.
Message edited by author 2008-12-02 14:32:04.
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12/02/2008 04:47:35 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I eat M&Ms by color |
Originally posted by karmat:
That is completely, totally, and inexplicably normal.
Trust me on this one.
:P |
Originally posted by Jac:
Eating them in the order they drop from the corner you teared off is not normal? There goes my day...:( |
Duh!
You MUST eat them by color!
Blue ones last 'cause they're the best! |
No,no no. You eat the color that has fewest first and work up. Or, if it has been a stressful day, you can go in reverse.
(And, it does relate to the topic at hand, if you stretch your mind a bit)
Message edited by author 2008-12-02 16:48:09. |
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12/02/2008 04:50:47 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I eat M&Ms by color |
Originally posted by karmat:
That is completely, totally, and inexplicably normal.
Trust me on this one.
:P |
Originally posted by Jac:
Eating them in the order they drop from the corner you teared off is not normal? There goes my day...:( |
Duh!
You MUST eat them by color!
Blue ones last 'cause they're the best! |
No,no no. You eat the color that has fewest first and work up. Or, if it has been a stressful day, you can go in reverse.
(And, it does relate to the topic at hand, if you stretch your mind a bit) |
Eating M&Ms by color makes no sense. Blind folded you couldn't tell the difference.
Now, eating Skittles by color is the only way to go. Eat the so-so tasting green and purple first, saving the savory orange and red for last. And you have to eat at least 2 at a time. Eating one at a time is just silly. |
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12/02/2008 04:53:56 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Eating M&Ms by color makes no sense. Blind folded you couldn't tell the difference.
Now, eating Skittles by color is the only way to go. Eat the so-so tasting green and purple first, saving the savory orange and red for last. And you have to eat at least 2 at a time. Eating one at a time is just silly. |
I have this thing with Peanut or Peanut Butter M&Ms where I bite off the outer layer and just leave the peanut or peanut butter center left that I then enjoy on its own. However, I'll start doing this religiously, and then end up just shoving handfuls into my mouth, reverting to base gluttony, and then curling up in a corner and crying at my lack of willpower.
I might be the only person that can turn a bag of M&Ms into a personal tragedy.
Message edited by author 2008-12-02 16:54:09. |
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12/02/2008 04:54:48 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Eating M&Ms by color makes no sense. Blind folded you couldn't tell the difference.
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Thinking that eating is only about the taste makes no sense. Or at least (one) less sense. |
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12/02/2008 04:57:02 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by karmat:
...And, it does relate to the topic at hand, if you stretch your mind a bit |
*stretch*
so, you mean to tell us that even though there are only few colors of m&ms, it doesn't matter which colors you start, or even you mix up, you still enjoy each one of them... taste the chocolate in your mouth and ask for more. Even if you have whole pocket of blue color, you would not care, and still eat with joy.
Ah... I understand
*end stretch* |
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12/02/2008 05:24:11 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I eat M&Ms by color |
Originally posted by karmat:
That is completely, totally, and inexplicably normal.
Trust me on this one.
:P |
Originally posted by Jac:
Eating them in the order they drop from the corner you teared off is not normal? There goes my day...:( |
Duh!
You MUST eat them by color!
Blue ones last 'cause they're the best! |
No,no no. You eat the color that has fewest first and work up. Or, if it has been a stressful day, you can go in reverse.
(And, it does relate to the topic at hand, if you stretch your mind a bit) |
No.
You start with the color that has the most and eat those until there are the same amount of those as there are of the least, then move on to the color that now has the most and repeat until you have equal number of M&M's of each color. Finally, you eat the remaining colors in reverse order of your color preference, starting with your least favorite color and finally finishing with your favorite color. |
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12/02/2008 05:25:02 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
As to the "learning site" argument, if boring photos get high scores, then people learn to take boring photos. Admittedly, one can learn important skills here, but there are other things to learn as well. |
I don't disagree with this, I was just making a retort to  ericwoo's comment, "I just can't bring myself to give high marks to unoriginal images no matter how well they are done." That's his prerogative of course, but imho, to disqualify "copies" & automatically score them low seems like a good way to short circuit the intent of the site.
I never suggested a "copy" deserves the same score an original idea should get, I'm just saying that it makes more sense to have a balance that credits technical achievement along with creativity & originality. Sure, give the 9s & 10s to those who are creative and technically excellent, but I also think it makes sense to award moderate to high scores when a photographer demonstrates a mastery of lighting, or of original composition, or any aspect of photography that is clearly being demonstrated in an excellent way.
Of course, some of the brilliant shots that are on the bleeding edge of originality will be passed over by an audience that spends 4-6 seconds looking at the shots before voting & moving on. That seems to be what things like "posthumous ribbons" have been geared towards. That makes this site more like a well designed video game. You can go for the basic technical eye candy that tends to win site ribbons. If you get bored with that then there are the many personal ribbons that are well worth achieving imho. And then of course there's the brown :P |
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12/02/2008 05:26:03 PM · #37 |
FWIW, I thought this was a thread about photographing drill bits.
Message edited by author 2008-12-02 17:26:16. |
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12/02/2008 05:30:11 PM · #38 |
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12/02/2008 05:30:35 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
FWIW, I thought this was a thread about photographing drill bits. |
Hmmm ... that doesn't "auger" well for you ... ;-) |
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12/02/2008 05:34:13 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
FWIW, I thought this was a thread about photographing drill bits. |
Hmmm ... that doesn't "auger" well for you ... ;-) |
No, the damn hole kept filling in :-/ |
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12/02/2008 05:35:05 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by JMart:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
FWIW, I thought this was a thread about photographing drill bits. |
Hmmm ... that doesn't "auger" well for you ... ;-) |
No, the damn hole kept filling in :-/ |
We don't want to know your wife's excuses.
*runs away fast* |
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12/02/2008 05:45:07 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by JMart:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
FWIW, I thought this was a thread about photographing drill bits. |
Hmmm ... that doesn't "auger" well for you ... ;-) |
No, the damn hole kept filling in :-/ |
We don't want to know your wife's excuses.
*runs away fast* |
I AM coming to get you!
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12/02/2008 06:55:37 PM · #43 |
| I guess I'm never going to see that nasty stuff I was promised. :( Oh well. |
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12/02/2008 07:12:55 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by yanko:
I guess I'm never going to see that nasty stuff I was promised. :( Oh well. |
I told you, check the old challenge photos. I can't look at those photos, they are going into my dreams... like I don't have enough to worry about :\ |
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12/02/2008 10:06:06 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by JMart:
Sure, give the 9s & 10s to those who are creative and technically excellent, but I also think it makes sense to award moderate to high scores when a photographer demonstrates a mastery of lighting, or of original composition, or any aspect of photography that is clearly being demonstrated in an excellent way. |
I just want to expand the "aspects of photography" that are appreciated. As Gordon implied, there's plenty of stuff in photography books that is ignored by voters. I'm not just inventing this stuff in my head, though I do admit to a rich (i.e., semi-psychotic) fantasy life. |
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12/03/2008 01:14:26 PM · #46 |
I recently submitted a flower. ;)
It has all the soul of a bag of chips. Flowers are everywhere, and I took a very technical aproach. BUT!
Does that mean the image itself has no meaning to me? Of course not! I love it. It bumped another image of mine, with undoubtedtly more immediate meaning, out of the running. It has a secret subtext. It's personal.
But you would never know.
I say just let people submit whatever they like, then vote however you like. You might not always know what's behind even the most simple looking images, and they may not know why you voted the way you did, but that's the nature of a challenge, isn't it?
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12/03/2008 01:59:27 PM · #47 |
| often, its not the subject that is boring but the presentation. |
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12/03/2008 03:31:55 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by JMart:
Sure, give the 9s & 10s to those who are creative and technically excellent, but I also think it makes sense to award moderate to high scores when a photographer demonstrates a mastery of lighting, or of original composition, or any aspect of photography that is clearly being demonstrated in an excellent way. |
I just want to expand the "aspects of photography" that are appreciated. As Gordon implied, there's plenty of stuff in photography books that is ignored by voters. I'm not just inventing this stuff in my head, though I do admit to a rich (i.e., semi-psychotic) fantasy life. |
I think you do that very well, and as  Mousie just said, some of my favorite photos are not my highest scoring photos. In fact, I take the most pride in a couple where the average commenter score was 1.5-2.5 above the overall average. That tells me that people who took the time really "got" those photos. Heck, I'd love to be able to have my profile page photos ordered by average commenters' scores since that's some of the most valuable feedback imho. |
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