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11/21/2008 07:01:47 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
The secret here is "liquid drop".
If challenge is titled:
Fast: Use water drop and title it - Fast but Frozen
Slow: Use water drop and title it - Fast Slowed Down
Red: Use red water drop
Blue: Use blue water drop
Green: well you get the picture |
Ah but a lot of people do that with subjects other than liquid. For example, that red roof hut on the front page seems to find its way in about every other challenge. I think I already mentioned that if I ever visit Iceland the shot I will enter using that hut will be its fiery remains. Just kidding of course. well sorta. maybe. who knows. Someone want to buy me an airline ticket to find out? LOL.
Message edited by author 2008-11-21 19:03:41.
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11/21/2008 09:15:56 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by yanko:
[quote=kenskid] The secret here is "liquid drop".
Ah but a lot of people do that with subjects other than liquid. For example, that red roof hut on the front page seems to find its way in about every other challenge. I think I already mentioned that if I ever visit Iceland the shot I will enter using that hut will be its fiery remains. Just kidding of course. well sorta. maybe. who knows. Someone want to buy me an airline ticket to find out? LOL. |
Not only will I buy you an airline ticket, I'll also pay for the gas and the match. ;o) |
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11/21/2008 09:22:35 PM · #28 |
| Thought I'd seen that red-roofed hut a few times before...its time is past...we should send ArtObamaroflmao there to *take care* of it!! |
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11/23/2008 02:47:05 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by SteveJ:
However, unless you PP the crap out of it, you won't score high against the pro type shot. |
Just not true. I think this statement is generally over used. |
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11/23/2008 05:23:13 AM · #30 |
The purpose of post processing is to shoehorn.
The purpose of challenges is to encourage shoehorning.
e.g. the challenge is about 'frozen motion'. You set a high shutter speed. Cheat!
or it's called 'boats' and you go to the waterfront where there's lots of... Where's the creativity in that?
'Depth of field'? GET YOUR FILTHY MITTS OFF THAT APERTURE WHEEL!!
My dear old dad used to insist we used shoehorns for putting on shoes. It makes them last longer.
I think there should be a 'shoehorn' challenge, nominally for photographic depiction of shoehorns but giving extra credit to shots that manage to include themselves in dubious ways.
Rumour has it that a few whacko chimpanzees once started to totter around insecurely on their hind legs and venture out onto the savannah instead of the forest/jungle environment to which they were so very much better suited. They may even have had DNMC tattooed on their foreheads, but they wouldn't have known what it means. It's a glorious tradition already!
If there's crap in it and you can PP it out, then what's your decision? And put a driving mirror on top of your monitor or something, because although I'm not there to see it, I don't think there's anyone there with sharp or blunt objects screaming at you to do more processing.
There can't be, 'cos they're all here. |
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11/23/2008 12:19:53 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by raish:
The purpose of post processing is to shoehorn.
The purpose of challenges is to encourage shoehorning.
e.g. the challenge is about 'frozen motion'. You set a high shutter speed. Cheat!
or it's called 'boats' and you go to the waterfront where there's lots of... Where's the creativity in that?
'Depth of field'? GET YOUR FILTHY MITTS OFF THAT APERTURE WHEEL!!
My dear old dad used to insist we used shoehorns for putting on shoes. It makes them last longer.
I think there should be a 'shoehorn' challenge, nominally for photographic depiction of shoehorns but giving extra credit to shots that manage to include themselves in dubious ways.
Rumour has it that a few whacko chimpanzees once started to totter around insecurely on their hind legs and venture out onto the savannah instead of the forest/jungle environment to which they were so very much better suited. They may even have had DNMC tattooed on their foreheads, but they wouldn't have known what it means. It's a glorious tradition already!
If there's crap in it and you can PP it out, then what's your decision? And put a driving mirror on top of your monitor or something, because although I'm not there to see it, I don't think there's anyone there with sharp or blunt objects screaming at you to do more processing.
There can't be, 'cos they're all here. |
huh? |
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11/24/2008 01:13:12 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by Moose408:
Originally posted by raish:
The purpose of post processing is to shoehorn.
The purpose of challenges is to encourage shoehorning.
e.g. the challenge is about 'frozen motion'. You set a high shutter speed. Cheat!
or it's called 'boats' and you go to the waterfront where there's lots of... Where's the creativity in that?
'Depth of field'? GET YOUR FILTHY MITTS OFF THAT APERTURE WHEEL!!
My dear old dad used to insist we used shoehorns for putting on shoes. It makes them last longer.
I think there should be a 'shoehorn' challenge, nominally for photographic depiction of shoehorns but giving extra credit to shots that manage to include themselves in dubious ways.
Rumour has it that a few whacko chimpanzees once started to totter around insecurely on their hind legs and venture out onto the savannah instead of the forest/jungle environment to which they were so very much better suited. They may even have had DNMC tattooed on their foreheads, but they wouldn't have known what it means. It's a glorious tradition already!
If there's crap in it and you can PP it out, then what's your decision? And put a driving mirror on top of your monitor or something, because although I'm not there to see it, I don't think there's anyone there with sharp or blunt objects screaming at you to do more processing.
There can't be, 'cos they're all here. |
huh? |
ROFL.......I'm so glad that you put that "huh" in because I have read this over 3 times now and all that I kept saying was...."HUH????" but, too afraid to type that in lest it be insider's stuff that I wasn't privy to or, understanding and appeared totally stupid! ;-))
Raish....can you please translate this into some form of laymen's terms here for us??? *smile* |
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11/24/2008 01:34:35 PM · #33 |
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11/24/2008 02:26:49 PM · #34 |
| You've left silhouette out of that list--DPCers are complete suckers for a good sunset or dawn silho. |
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11/24/2008 03:19:12 PM · #35 |
Dear lay lady layman, here's the grunt:
you take this picture, see, and then you enter it in a challenge.
If you want to increase the picture's chances of 'success', or high scores, then you might edit it.
Editing is also known as post processing.
If you're editing/post processing an image in order to increase its chances in a challenge then you are doing something very similar to shoehorning. Near as makes no odds.
The title and/or description of a challenge is part of the parameters in which you are hoping for the picture to succeed. So it encourages shoehorning.
A lot of other things can be done before you get to the editing stage, e.g. choice of location, setting aperture and/or shutter speed, lighting, subject matter etc. All in order best to suit the image to the challenge. All shoehorning.
Shoehorns are practical things.
If people only ever did what they are supposed to do, your ancestors (and mine) would never have come down from the trees.
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11/25/2008 02:59:16 AM · #36 |
entering something(other than a "straight from the camera, pure and undefiled" image) = shoehorning
Right? ;) |
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11/25/2008 04:06:40 AM · #37 |
lol, DPC is like photo crack, we inject it into our veins and after a while we become jaded, it doesn't do the same thing it did, we see more sitting at our desks than most people see in their lifetimes.
However, I worry it might jade some of us to life as well, we have seen it all, but we haven't experienced a fraction of it, and when we do, when we have felt what they felt, and have been compelled to capture that feeling ourselves, we turn back to dpc to share those feelings, only to be met by the same jaded opinions we once shared.
This results in the all too common pain of being personally attached to a photograph only to walk away feeling crushed by those who were not moved, who could not be moved.
Sadly it is the photographs that photographers are most attached to which are the most likely to be entered, since they are sure in their heart that it will win a ribbon this time, that their feelings for their photo are justified and true.
The usual advice is to not enter photos one is personally attached to. What then is the result, photos that are technically perfect yet lacking in emotion or people who discount this advice and leave burned.
Just some thoughts, I figured people might be missing my insightful commentary. ;)
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11/25/2008 04:30:13 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by mpeters:
entering something(other than a "straight from the camera, pure and undefiled" image) = shoehorning
Right? ;) |
Not sure we can accept pure and undefiled images straight from the camera either - not if someone went somewhere they wouldn't normally go or deliberately fiddled with camera setting for effect - no, no, no, those are shoehorned too. |
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11/25/2008 04:30:14 AM · #39 |
My work computer is getting lazy, usually it posts three times.
Message edited by author 2008-11-25 12:40:04. |
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11/25/2008 11:52:23 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by raish:
Dear lay lady layman, here's the grunt:
you take this picture, see, and then you enter it in a challenge.
If you want to increase the picture's chances of 'success', or high scores, then you might edit it.
Editing is also known as post processing.
If you're editing/post processing an image in order to increase its chances in a challenge then you are doing something very similar to shoehorning. Near as makes no odds.
The title and/or description of a challenge is part of the parameters in which you are hoping for the picture to succeed. So it encourages shoehorning.
A lot of other things can be done before you get to the editing stage, e.g. choice of location, setting aperture and/or shutter speed, lighting, subject matter etc. All in order best to suit the image to the challenge. All shoehorning.
Shoehorns are practical things.
If people only ever did what they are supposed to do, your ancestors (and mine) would never have come down from the trees. |
LOL...ok, to me, shoehorning means, to squeeze something in that doesn't really fit. In this broad a sense, what you seem to be saying is that in taking any shot and editing it, adding a title, shooting it in specific locations with specific settings to meet challenge subjects/criteria, is considered "shoehorning".
Question: If that is the case, then what would NOT be considered shoehorning? :-)) Any photo not being entered into a challenge with specific criteria?
ETA: I just saw your post below after I'd entered this post, so now I can also add that if we are to go somewhere that we'd normally go and shoot a photo for a specific challenge or, purposely go to a place where we'd find what meets challenge criteria, ie: a zoo or a forest for a wildlife shot, then that is also shoehorning. So, by that definition, does that mean that only shots caught by accident, while out and around and without camera settings changed etc., would not be shoehorning? If that is the case, then ALL studio shots are total shoehorns, right? In other words, all photos shot for a specific photo challenge topic would be shoehorns???
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11/25/2008 12:12:12 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by togtog:
lol, DPC is like photo crack, we inject it into our veins and after a while we become jaded, it doesn't do the same thing it did, we see more sitting at our desks than most people see in their lifetimes.
However, I worry it might jade some of us to life as well, we have seen it all, but we haven't experienced a fraction of it, and when we do, when we have felt what they felt, and have been compelled to capture that feeling ourselves, we turn back to dpc to share those feelings, only to be met by the same jaded opinions we once shared.
This results in the all too common pain of being personally attached to a photograph only to walk away feeling crushed by those who were not moved, who could not be moved.
Sadly it is the photographs that photographers are most attached to which are the most likely to be entered, since they are sure in their heart that it will win a ribbon this time, that their feelings for their photo are justified and true.
The usual advice is to not enter photos one is personally attached to. What then is the result, photos that are technically perfect yet lacking in emotion or people who discount this advice and leave burned.
Just some thoughts, I figured people might be missing my insightful commentary. ;) |
Well, I totally agree with the idea that when we enter a photo to which we are emotionally attached, we do heavily risk leaving feeling jaded and dejected. Any emotional attachment to a photo that we enter risks being critiqued (oftentimes, very heavily and harshly) and therefore, becomes a possible "attack" on our work and our passion.
However, to take photos without passion attached to it is like giving your child a pair of socks for Christmas when they really wanted that new action figure. Photography without passion is simply a skill. Photography WITH passion is an artform. Which gives the greatest pleasure? I can take a technically perfect shot of a rock and enter it but, it's going to be not only unfufilling to me, but also to anyone viewing it! The passion in a shot has to show and has to be there in order for it to be a successful photo in one way or another. And, yes, we are going to risk those not liking it and tearing it to shreds. I think it's then that we need to ask ourselves if entering these challenges at all is worth our time and effort???
Let's not forget that those scoring our shots, also have an emotional attachment to either their own shots or those that they find interesting from others. There's always going to be a BIAS somewhere that will cause a possible sad ending for our own passions. That's just the nature of anything in Life in general. Everything that we do in Life is open to criticism even if we don't receive a score and comments to tell us how much we are receiving. It's just a fact of Life.
However, having said that....if I really and truly love a photo and don't want it torn apart...I enter it elsewhere, in other sites. I agree with you that this site is not for the "faint of heart" when it comes to having your work critiqued. There's too much "emotion" at stake and at play here.
Good points to have made! I agree for the most part. |
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11/25/2008 12:39:17 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
In other words, all photos shot for a specific photo challenge topic would be shoehorns??? |
Yupp.
But it might help to remember that my original post was a joke. |
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11/30/2008 04:11:47 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
LOL...ok, to me, shoehorning means, to squeeze something in that doesn't really fit. In this broad a sense, what you seem to be saying is that in taking any shot and editing it, adding a title, shooting it in specific locations with specific settings to meet challenge subjects/criteria, is considered "shoehorning".
Question: If that is the case, then what would NOT be considered shoehorning? :-)) Any photo not being entered into a challenge with specific criteria?
ETA: I just saw your post below after I'd entered this post, so now I can also add that if we are to go somewhere that we'd normally go and shoot a photo for a specific challenge or, purposely go to a place where we'd find what meets challenge criteria, ie: a zoo or a forest for a wildlife shot, then that is also shoehorning. So, by that definition, does that mean that only shots caught by accident, while out and around and without camera settings changed etc., would not be shoehorning? If that is the case, then ALL studio shots are total shoehorns, right? In other words, all photos shot for a specific photo challenge topic would be shoehorns??? |
Keep your sanity.
Peter seems to have found that large and lovely chain with the big sign that says "PULL ME!!!"
He did......8>) |
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11/30/2008 04:12:58 AM · #44 |
Originally posted by togtog:
lol, DPC is like photo crack, we inject it into our veins and after a while we become jaded, it doesn't do the same thing it did, we see more sitting at our desks than most people see in their lifetimes. |
Sheesh! You DNMCed there! You don't inject crack, you smoke it! |
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11/30/2008 04:18:28 AM · #45 |
Jesus H.
This website must be more boring than I thought if a thread like this goes on like this. |
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11/30/2008 04:22:12 AM · #46 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Jesus H.
This website must be more boring than I thought if a thread like this goes on like this. |
Well, you are doing your part to keep it rolling simply by posting in it! |
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11/30/2008 04:22:19 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by Physics_McG:
Do you feel that people take normal, everyday pictures and try to make them fit the challenge???
Personally, I at least put a considerable amount of thought into the photo that I want to submit. |
You know, you've managed to take quite a few potshots at the membership at large here, most of it denigrating the images, talent, and work that we have, yet your highest score is a 5.2.
Why don't you take some of the advice and help that people have put forth and take your tone down a notch or two. |
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11/30/2008 04:34:11 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Your top three scores are all hummingbirds.
I know hummingbirds are like gold here, but the "starting with a good idea" part of your statement loses a little luster when you most successful subject matter is always the same.
Don't get me wrong, I've tried to get a good capture of a hummingbird but haven't been able to pull it off like you have. Still trying though. ;-) |
You're just bitter, 'cause like me, you know it is impossible to take a picture of a real hummingbird.
She has those stuffed ones she uses, hangs 'em with fishing line, and clones out the line.
THEY'RE NOT REAL!!!! LOL!!!
Three years I've been following the damn things around my hibiscus plant and NADA!!!
Good for motion blur, maybe..... |
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11/30/2008 05:31:19 AM · #49 |
Even when I shoot specifically for a challenge I don't put any thought into it whatsoever. I just point the camera to the subject, as far away from my body as possible, and push the silver button. It is a good strategy.
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11/30/2008 05:39:26 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by Azrifel:
Even when I shoot specifically for a challenge I don't put any thought into it whatsoever. I just point the camera to the subject, as far away from my body as possible, and push the silver button. It is a good strategy. |
LOL!!! I'm gonna start doing this, too. I need one of those fancy new bodies with "live view"... |
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