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11/12/2008 03:28:05 PM · #51 |
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11/12/2008 04:10:25 PM · #52 |
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Updated: 11/12/08 03:10 pm
I guess, based on what I see, I should be happy.
There are a bunch of great shots.
Comments would be nice......good or bad! |
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11/12/2008 04:15:01 PM · #53 |
Can't complain at the moment. Good to see a large number of quality images in this challenge, which might get the people whinging about a lack of quality to stop for a week or two.
Votes: 44
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11/12/2008 04:20:49 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by kaiser_chief:
Can't complain at the moment. Good to see a large number of quality images in this challenge, which might get the people whinging about a lack of quality to stop for a week or two.
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Now there's a positive thought! Not very realistic, but positive! lol |
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11/12/2008 04:29:20 PM · #55 |
| Come on Ed, someone here needs to add a slight positive spin on things (now waiting for the wrath of the Trolls who have banned all thoughts positive, and will take their revenge on my photo). |
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11/12/2008 04:56:41 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by kaiser_chief:
Come on Ed, someone here needs to add a slight positive spin on things (now waiting for the wrath of the Trolls who have banned all thoughts positive, and will take their revenge on my photo). |
Don't get me wrong, I applaud it! |
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11/12/2008 05:50:57 PM · #57 |
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Well, can't put a positive spin on this, no matter how hard I try.
Once upon a time, this type of score was reserved for a DNMC entry. Now, it seems to be just below "mediocre".
Those of you in the mid to high 5's and 6 ranges...consider it as an equal to the old 7's and 8's! :) But, that was once upon a time.
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11/12/2008 05:56:19 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by yospiff:
Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
Wish that I could say the same *SIGH* |
Don't worry, I'll be joining you down there soon enough. Someone just gave me the low vote that I reserve for the absolute worst stuff.
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Steve, I certainly hope that you don't join me down HERE!
3.7885 ARRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
This place is far too nutzo for me anymore. I think I have come to my last challenge in here with this one. It's kind of like the straw that broke the camel's back. VACATION TIME! Off to the other sites that I'm involved in photographically and putting more time and effort into them again...otherwise, I will have to take up drinking! I've already stopped the caffeine in the hopes of less of an angry "twitch"! ;)) |
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11/12/2008 08:06:44 PM · #59 |
I think I am officially the only person not to get a comment yet, as I've given 100% comments on this challenge... Still, no comment for me. And not sure why it's under a 5. I don't think it's that bad. Worse than average? Really? I wish if you were going to vote under a 5 it was mandatory to leave a comment on how to improve or on why you thought it was worth less than average. That's like getting an F on an assignment.
Votes: 60
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Updated: 11/12/08 08:04 pm |
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11/12/2008 08:20:03 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by smudgeSMJ:
I think I am officially the only person not to get a comment yet, as I've given 100% comments on this challenge... Still, no comment for me. And not sure why it's under a 5. I don't think it's that bad. Worse than average? Really? I wish if you were going to vote under a 5 it was mandatory to leave a comment on how to improve or on why you thought it was worth less than average. That's like getting an F on an assignment.
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Updated: 11/12/08 08:04 pm |
Smudge you have been kind enough to comment on mine so send me a PM with your title and I will leave you a comment tomorrow (off to bed now) I am not scoring this one so it will be completely unbiased :) |
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11/12/2008 08:21:20 PM · #61 |
Sandra
Thanks for your comment.
Sorry, don't have time to comment all the photos int he challenge (the only way i could guarentee that I got yours) so if you are still commentless at the END of the challenge, PM me and I will give a detailed comment after the challenge is finished.
Not a lot of movement for me....still in the 5.6 range |
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11/12/2008 09:53:41 PM · #62 |
More mediocrity. Week after week, since DPCO started. A shot like this would have scored in the high 5s before.
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11/12/2008 10:30:14 PM · #63 |
I am not buying the argument that scores are lower because of the DPCO. This week I feel, for whatever reason, there are more photos of a high standard than there has been of recent weeks. The last couple of weeks, it seemed that many scores where down, but that I feel was because the quality of images submitted were also down. Many of these weeks were since the DPCO started.
This week, some photos many not score up to the expectation of the photographer because of the High Quality of images it is competing against, and thus it is harder for that image to stand out from the crowd to attract the Higher votes. I think there will be many photos that score well this week as a result of the quality. |
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11/12/2008 10:39:06 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by kaiser_chief:
I am not buying the argument that scores are lower because of the DPCO. This week I feel, for whatever reason, there are more photos of a high standard than there has been of recent weeks. The last couple of weeks, it seemed that many scores where down, but that I feel was because the quality of images submitted were also down. Many of these weeks were since the DPCO started.
This week, some photos many not score up to the expectation of the photographer because of the High Quality of images it is competing against, and thus it is harder for that image to stand out from the crowd to attract the Higher votes. I think there will be many photos that score well this week as a result of the quality. |
I try to rate photos on their own merit so fewer or more high quality images doesn't make a difference.
If you look at what the scrubber is scrubbing at the end of the challenge I'd say there are a lot more low ball voters out of late. This may or may not be related to DPCO. |
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11/12/2008 10:39:29 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by kaiser_chief:
I am not buying the argument that scores are lower because of the DPCO. This week I feel, for whatever reason, there are more photos of a high standard than there has been of recent weeks. The last couple of weeks, it seemed that many scores where down, but that I feel was because the quality of images submitted were also down. Many of these weeks were since the DPCO started.
This week, some photos many not score up to the expectation of the photographer because of the High Quality of images it is competing against, and thus it is harder for that image to stand out from the crowd to attract the Higher votes. I think there will be many photos that score well this week as a result of the quality. |
I hope most people don't vote that way... The images should be voted on in a vacuum, not as compared to the others in the challenge.
But that would be a perfect world. With perfect voters. Some will rank them, but hopefully most rate them. |
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11/12/2008 11:00:50 PM · #66 |
Hawkeye
I attempt to vote on Photos on their merit, however, I know that the quality of the images will always effect anyone who is voting in terms of the scores. If you put the same image in two different shallenges, one full of high quality images, one with more average entries, the image (providing it is a good image) will score higher in the challenge when surrounded by the lower quality. People will vote it a 7 instead of 6 etc......It isn't intentional, its natural, subconscious behaviour.
The argument that has been in these forums includes that people are voting lower because the DPCO are on for various reasons, strategic or otherwise. Thats an argument I don't buy.......
This has nothing to do with people ranking photos (some do, but others don't) however the world s not perfect, and it is not possible for people to dismiss what they have seen in the last few minutes out of their subconscious when voting.
The Red Challenge is stronger than entries have been in many of the recent challenges. Thats something I think is great, and hopefully the increased number of exceptional entries continues.
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11/12/2008 11:24:25 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by Mark-A:
Yep I got a 1 and a 2 followed by 3x 7s in a row, just makes me so mad.... time to turn off scores again. |
n00b question: is there a setting that allows you to see each vote? I'm just getting the average. I know there were some excel spreadsheets at one point that did that math for you. Is that what you are using?
Votes: 71
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Updated: 11/12/08 11:10 pm
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11/12/2008 11:28:29 PM · #68 |
Thanks to Mark-A and kaiser_chief for their offers, it is much appreciated :) Clearly, I can use all the help I can get ;)
I don't mind the low scores so much, I'm just hoping to hear how I can improve. Comments mean more to me than high votes.
I know I'm new to this and I don't expect to be a high scorer right from the start. I have, after all, only been taking pictures for a month or two now. But I would, eventually, like to get better, and it's hard to do that in silence.
So, thank you again to these gentlemen for their kind offers. And everybody keep your fingers crossed for my score to suddenly skyrocket!! :D
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11/13/2008 12:39:43 AM · #69 |
In following the last few posts about voting and DPCO etc., one thing comes to mind here. A "bias" is always going to be a bias. Whether it's because of a certain style that they like more than others, whether it's because of a certain depth of contrast or sharpness to a shot, a type of editing, a pretty scenery shot, a macro of a bee and a flower, your own photo is doing miserably, your own photo is doing well, you want a higher score seen for DPCO interests.....no matter what...there IS a bias, consciously or subconsciously, purposely or, unknowingly.
What I'm seeing in here lately, I can't explain with one simple answer anymore than anyone else can. I just know that the scoring is really off the wall lately and I don't think that one can compare it to "quality batches" in challenges or lack of them. There is a definite downward trend with the 1's, 2's and 3's! Where they are coming from...well, I can't answer that. I only know that if one were to really scrutinize the unjust numbers of these really, unfair, incomprehensible scores being dished out like wildfire, one can see that this is NOT what DPC used to be like!
Anyone can look at my portfolio and say that the quality is not the same but, in doing that to mine, one would also have to do it to other's photos as well. Take a look at the ribbon winners in the past number of challenges. One look at the numbers of 1 to 4 votes is totally uncalled for and that is AFTER the scrub! So, people are truly voting these shots with those low scores! That kind of thing didn't happen as often before. And, yes, I'll be interest to see if there's a pattern change after DPCO is over. It's not the entire answer or cause of these really low scores. However, it is likely part of that "bias".
In the meantime, those who's scores are higher, won't necessarily see a "problem", will they? *smile* No one's going to ask why they are winning the lottery and complain about it, are they? ;) However, for those who are on the lower end of the score and getting the 1's, 2's and 3 votes, it can really unfairly take a score down even further to almost "degrading" levels.
Anyways, I'm shutting up about this now as after this challenge is over, I'm on a hiatus from entering challenges in DPC. I'll be interested to see what happens after DPCO is over and what else turns up as a possible cause for this frustrating and unfair lower voting. Can't blame it all on "poorer quality groups/shots" because it's happening across the board, in all challenges! :) |
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11/13/2008 12:59:23 AM · #70 |
 PhotoInterest, I agree with your points 100%. I'm also on hiatus after DPCO and the last two free studies of the year to complete the FSM, mostly due to the amount of 4 and under scores. It's just...ugly. I don't know either about whether DPCO is involved, in my case it's meant "having" to enter challenges rather than sitting back--our team is at 100% participation for every week so far, so my images haven't been across the board wonderful. But even the Free Studies are not what they were.
It would be interesting to see the data plotted, I would speculate that instead of a bell curve we now have greater distribution to the "left" and much less in the midrange. Big drop-off after the top 10 in scores, or maybe in this one after the top 20. |
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11/13/2008 03:48:05 AM · #71 |
Four out of the five comment made about my picture have all been positive with the shot being well received. However, the last comment was this:
Meets Challenge 2
Technicalities 2
Interestingness 1
Out of the Box
Personal Bias
Total = 5
All very well, you might say, however, the person who left the comment decided to remain hidden, why? Surely, if you gave something to say, whether it is complimentary or not, at least have the decency to show who you are. And what's all this bias? Have they deliberately knocked me down? 'Meets challenge 2' Er, excuse me, the picture has a white background with everything else being red! 'Technicalities 2'. That is something I can't comment about. 'Interestingness 1'. It's obvious that we all see different things when we look at photographs; what pleases one, doesn't please another. If you look at my profile, you will see that I am a rookie, but it must be really galling to you people with nice equipment and the knowledge and creativity to take a good photo, just for some moron to deliberately mark it down.
One last thing. If the person who made the remark about my pictures reads this, then please pm me and let me know the reasons why you gave the points as it has taught me nothing and I'm always more than willing to learn. |
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11/13/2008 04:19:04 AM · #72 |
Hi, before my comments get totally trashed, I would like to clarify a couple of things. Firstly, I'm not accusing the person who gave me a five, as a moron. I'd just like to appreciate how he/she arrived at the individual bits like meets challenge etc. And, what are those individual bits out of? Is it two out of five or ten or what?
However, it is a fact that there are morons out there. A winning photo should never get a vote of one, etc. So why give it? is it because they have their own photo in the challenge and are jealous? If so, they should not vote on a challenge they have entered, but on something else. |
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11/13/2008 05:51:58 AM · #73 |
Originally posted by Reiner:
Four out of the five comment made about my picture have all been positive with the shot being well received. However, the last comment was this:
Meets Challenge 2
Technicalities 2
Interestingness 1
Out of the Box
Personal Bias
Total = 5
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As he has 5 topics I would assume that one can get 0, 1, or 2 points on each. When the voting is over, you will see the name. Go to his profile, look at the comments he made (it's a link to the left) and you will see them all below one another. I guess it will be easy to figure out the system.
Originally posted by Reiner:
All very well, you might say, however, the person who left the comment decided to remain hidden, why? |
I guess he doesn't want to get PMed about his comment during the voting. It's a decision the voter can make in his profile and I think it is a decision one should simply respect.
Originally posted by Reiner:
Surely, if you gave something to say, whether it is complimentary or not, at least have the decency to show who you are. And what's all this bias? Have they deliberately knocked me down? 'Meets challenge 2' Er, excuse me, the picture has a white background with everything else being red! 'Technicalities 2'. That is something I can't comment about. 'Interestingness 1'. It's obvious that we all see different things when we look at photographs; what pleases one, doesn't please another. If you look at my profile, you will see that I am a rookie, but it must be really galling to you people with nice equipment and the knowledge and creativity to take a good photo, just for some moron to deliberately mark it down. |
It's always easy to call those who give low votes morons or trolls. It happens at least on every second challenge (the whining about trolls).
Don't take things (and votes) so serious.
So someone didn't like your picture, someone even didn't like the winning picture - so what? You are anyway free to like your picture or the one that won the brown ribbon. There is a huge diversity in people and tastes, and it reflects in the votes, that's all. |
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11/13/2008 05:58:17 AM · #74 |
Wow.....Just an observtion.....
I happen to be enjoying this challenge. I didn't expect this on any level.
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It took me less than ten minutes to edit this, and I was reasonably happy with the result, so I really didn't care too much about the result save that I just joined a DPCO team.
I've been here a little shy of two and a half years, and I've never seen a thread with this many unhappy participants.
I just had the shot of my DPC life here last week....no 1s, 2s, or 3s at all, and 13 votes below 6.....for a score of 7.1984
The week before that was my FS, which was just above average, 5.8662, 1-2, 3-3s, 4-4s, and a bucketload of 5s.
Then there was my street shot, the week before that......3-1s, 4-2s, 11-3s, 35-4s, and 75-5s. It rolled over at 4.7901.....and it was kind of a gift at that 'cause it was a pretty bad offering for the challenge. It was a decent image, but it was NOT on the mark and got voted accordingly.
Maybe I'm just finally used to the voting, but I just don't see the rub here....
If I don't score well, I have to look at what I've done to miss the mark instead of grousing about the voters.
Yeah, I hate it when I do poorly, but that's the way it goes sometimes, and I do take breaks sometimes when I get a bunch of terrible scores in a row....
I probably won't post any more in this thread 'cause to tell you the truth, it's kind of depressing.....this is supposed to be fun, and I'm not getting that at all here.
Oh.....the lowest score on my profile page is 6.6667, so I have been able to hit the mark here and there, but my average score is 5.3923. I'm no ribbon hog or anything. My photography has certainly gotten better.....my first challenge was 3.8851.
I really think that the trolls and mean people are a very small percentage of the voters, and don't really make that much of an effect.
Look at it this way.....those people who make it miserable have to be who they are.......that's gotta suck to go through life like that.
The rest of us have it pretty good......even if we lay an occasional egg.
I like it here at DPC a lot. I've made a ton of really exceptional friends, I've been a part of some excellent projects that have been about the good and welfare of others, I've had some extraordinary teachers, mentors, and just regular folks who are nice give of themselves to help me be a better photographer......I really didn't see that 'til I was here for a little while and met a few folks.
So look at what you get for your $25, and ask yourselves if getting a score you don't like in a challenge, or even a few, is any big deal.
Grab hold of one of the many side challenges and develop your skills and enjoy the community for a while......
Illegitemi non Carborundum......don't let the bastards wear you down.
This place is here for you......what you get out of it is up to you.
Don't like the scores? Figure out what it is, and cater to the scores, or say the heck with it and do what you want to pursue YOUR goals and the heck with them.
I just can't stand to see you guys get so disgusted when it's supposed to be about where you're going, not one bump in the road.
Enjoy the journey.
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11/13/2008 06:34:06 AM · #75 |
| My previous comments,having re-read them and also, now having the 'points' system explained to me, were over the top and sounded unintentionally harsh. I fully appreciate that anyone who wishes to remain anonymous has a perfect right to do so. If I have offended anyone, particularly the person who gave me a 5, then I should like to apologise, as no offence was intended. |
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