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11/07/2008 04:09:44 PM · #1326 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
From today's email:
"People all over the world are celebrating Obama̢۪s victory. Sarah Palin watched the Russians celebrating from her house."
BTW: Since Wasilla is over 600 miles from Alaska's western coast, unless Ms. Palin has Super X-Ray vision or can see around the Earth's curvature, she can't really "See Russia from my house," and even less so from the State Capitol. |
While you are correct in your assessment, you are implying that Sarah Palin said that she could "see Russia from my house" ( implied by virtue of the quotation marks ).
When did Sarah Palin ever say that she could "see Russia from my house"? |
From what little I remember, Tina Fey said 'I can see Russia from my house' Palin just said 'you can see Russia from Alaska' as justification of her foreign policy experience. |
That's correct. It was Tina Fey in parody as Sarah Palin that coined, "I can see Alaska from my House."
Not that it should matter all that much. After every bonehead thing that came from Palin over the last couple of months, this is one of the more innocuous. |
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11/07/2008 04:13:34 PM · #1327 |
| What, am I invisible? :-P |
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11/07/2008 04:14:13 PM · #1328 |
Originally posted by Louis:
What, am I invisible? :-P |
You posted while I was writing mine. |
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11/07/2008 04:20:34 PM · #1329 |
Originally posted by Louis:
She seems to be connecting her insight with being able to see the country. Is that some kind of qualification? |
And yet, having actually lived in and met the people (not governement heads) of another country would seem to be some sort of disqualification -- odd sort of logic ...
BTW: I'm pretty sure I heard that she'd never actually travelled out to the western coast to "see Russia" until after it became a campaign talking point.
Message edited by author 2008-11-07 16:22:36. |
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11/07/2008 04:32:46 PM · #1330 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by RonB:
When did Sarah Palin ever say that she could "see Russia from my house"? |
Can you prove she hasn't? ;-) |
Yep. Proof positive.
If she HAD said it, someone would have posted a link proving that she did.
Ergo, a lack of proof that she DID is proof that she DIDN'T.
:-) |
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11/07/2008 04:39:57 PM · #1331 |
Originally posted by Louis:
She seems to be connecting her insight with being able to see the country. Is that some kind of qualification? |
Being geographically close to something often leads to knowledge of that thing.
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11/07/2008 04:47:47 PM · #1332 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Increasing capital gains tax from 15% to 20% won't even feel like a pinch to someone like Warren Buffet... I'll donate a band-aid to Buffet for the gash he's about to receive from Obama. |
Actually, Obama had proposed raising the capital gains tax as high at 28%, but even at 22%, that represents a difference of $3.2 million dollars for him. That's money that, as you suggest, wouldn't feel like a pinch to Buffet, but could certainly help with a national debt that must be paid somehow. It was just sickening to hear the McCain campaign repeatedly decrying a raise on capital gains taxes as a major blow to people with IRA and 401K plans when neither is even subject to capital gains. Buffet obviously supported a plan that would cost him millions while McCain tried to stop the idea by lying to the American people. So yeah, food for thought: who was really putting country first? |
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11/07/2008 04:49:02 PM · #1333 |
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Originally posted by Louis:
She seems to be connecting her insight with being able to see the country. Is that some kind of qualification? |
Being geographically close to something often leads to knowledge of that thing. |
Wasilla is approximately 680 miles from the nearest point in Russia. Given that logic and your physical location in Seattle, you could claim to be an expert on Salt Lake City. |
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11/07/2008 04:53:44 PM · #1334 |
I was stationed in Kotzebue, Alaska from 1966 to 1967 ( Kotzebue is on the coast about 90 miles north of Nome ).
Trust me when I say that being on the DEW ( Distant Early Warning ) Line during the Cold War gave me a bit of knowledge about Russian International Relations.
We tracked their aircraft making incursions into U.S. Territory ( and chased them back ), and saw our aircraft making incursions into Russian Territory ( and being chased back ).
The purpose for such incursions was twofold: 1) to test the ability of the "enemy" to detect aircraft ( and countermand attempts at negating the accuracy of their radars through jamming, etc. ), and 2) to intimidate the "enemy" by flexing military "muscle" in their faces. A great global game of miltary "tag" combined with "king of the hill" if you will.
We also learned that their "military intelligence" was extensive - we NEVER had a single USO show that wasn't interrupted by a an incursion requiring us to scramble fighters. |
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11/07/2008 04:54:54 PM · #1335 |
Originally posted by eqsite:
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Originally posted by Louis:
She seems to be connecting her insight with being able to see the country. Is that some kind of qualification? |
Being geographically close to something often leads to knowledge of that thing. |
Wasilla is approximately 680 miles from the nearest point in Russia. Given that logic and your physical location in Seattle, you could claim to be an expert on Salt Lake City. |
Taken even further, I'm about 161 km (about 100 miles) from Buffalo, New York. I know exactly where it is, I've lived adjacent to it all my life, and I've seen its golden spires from the Canadian side of Niagara Falls many times. And I can guarantee you that aside from knowing that its name is another word for "bison", I know nothing about that fair city. |
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11/07/2008 04:55:55 PM · #1336 |
Originally posted by RonB:
I was stationed in Kotzebue, Alaska from 1966 to 1967 ( Kotzebue is on the coast about 90 miles north of Nome ).
Trust me when I say that being on the DEW ( Distant Early Warning ) Line during the Cold War gave me a bit of knowledge about Russian International Relations.
We tracked their aircraft making incursions into U.S. Territory ( and chased them back ), and saw our aircraft making incursions into Russian Territory ( and being chased back ).
The purpose for such incursions was twofold: 1) to test the ability of the "enemy" to detect aircraft ( and countermand attempts at negating the accuracy of their radars through jamming, etc. ), and 2) to intimidate the "enemy" by flexing military "muscle" in their faces. A great global game of miltary "tag" combined with "king of the hill" if you will.
We also learned that their "military intelligence" was extensive - we NEVER had a single USO show that wasn't interrupted by a an incursion requiring us to scramble fighters. |
And I wouldn't begin to question your knowledge of Russia. |
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11/07/2008 04:56:44 PM · #1337 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Taken even further, I'm about 161 km (about 100 miles) from Buffalo, New York. I know exactly where it is, I've lived adjacent to it all my life, and I've seen its golden spires from the Canadian side of Niagara Falls many times. And I can guarantee you that aside from knowing that its name is another word for "bison", I know nothing about that fair city. |
Obviously -- if you did, you probably wouldn't call it fair. ;)
Message edited by author 2008-11-07 16:57:01. |
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11/07/2008 05:03:30 PM · #1338 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by eqsite:
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Originally posted by Louis:
She seems to be connecting her insight with being able to see the country. Is that some kind of qualification? |
Being geographically close to something often leads to knowledge of that thing. |
Wasilla is approximately 680 miles from the nearest point in Russia. Given that logic and your physical location in Seattle, you could claim to be an expert on Salt Lake City. |
Taken even further, I'm about 161 km (about 100 miles) from Buffalo, New York. I know exactly where it is, I've lived adjacent to it all my life, and I've seen its golden spires from the Canadian side of Niagara Falls many times. And I can guarantee you that aside from knowing that its name is another word for "bison", I know nothing about that fair city. |
Wasn't she gov of the whole state? |
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11/07/2008 05:13:29 PM · #1339 |
| and, living In Arizona for 9 years, close to Mexico, Utah and California, I learned a lot about each. Having lived in Washington for just over a year now, I̢۪ve learned a lot about Washington, Oregon, and Canada. I̢۪m not saying I̢۪m qualified to be president, but typically I try to make a point to educate myself about my surroundings. Maybe I̢۪m just weird that way? |
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11/07/2008 05:18:40 PM · #1340 |
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Wasn't she gov of the whole state? |
Is the implication that because she was governor of Alaska, which is closer to Russia than any other part of the US, she has greater knowledge of Russia than others? If so, then I wonder why Mike Huckabee thought that Canada had a "national igloo" that needed preserving? Surely his proximity to Canada would have precluded him from making such an embarrassing blunder? For that matter, why did Obama think that Canada had a president as opposed to a Prime Minister? Surely being in Chicago, so close to Canada, he would know such a thing.
Maybe proximity means squat after all. |
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11/07/2008 05:45:39 PM · #1341 |
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by RonB:
When did Sarah Palin ever say that she could "see Russia from my house"? |
Can you prove she hasn't? ;-) |
Yep. Proof positive.
If she HAD said it, someone would have posted a link proving that she did.
Ergo, a lack of proof that she DID is proof that she DIDN'T.
:-) |
That's only proof she never said it in public in fron of anyone who could record or recount the event and would be willing and able to post it someplace crawled by Google. That doesn't prove she's never said it. |
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11/07/2008 06:04:45 PM · #1342 |
Originally posted by LoudDog:
and, living In Arizona for 9 years, close to Mexico, Utah and California, I learned a lot about each. Having lived in Washington for just over a year now, I̢۪ve learned a lot about Washington, Oregon, and Canada. I̢۪m not saying I̢۪m qualified to be president, but typically I try to make a point to educate myself about my surroundings. Maybe I̢۪m just weird that way? |
Daryl, if you're still trying to make the point that there was some merit to the idea that Palin living in Alaska gives her insight into Russia, I urge you to give it up. If you want to defend Palin and/or Republicans in general, at least focus on a reasonably defensible defendable issue!
Message edited by author 2008-11-07 18:08:57. |
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11/07/2008 06:14:34 PM · #1343 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by RonB:
When did Sarah Palin ever say that she could "see Russia from my house"? |
Can you prove she hasn't? ;-) |
Yep. Proof positive.
If she HAD said it, someone would have posted a link proving that she did.
Ergo, a lack of proof that she DID is proof that she DIDN'T.
:-) |
That's only proof she never said it in public in fron of anyone who could record or recount the event and would be willing and able to post it someplace crawled by Google. That doesn't prove she's never said it. |
Ahhemm
:-)) |
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11/07/2008 06:36:41 PM · #1344 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Ahhemm
:-)) |
I guess she misunderstood the question. :-D |
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11/07/2008 07:04:55 PM · #1345 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by yanko:
Increasing capital gains tax from 15% to 20% won't even feel like a pinch to someone like Warren Buffet... I'll donate a band-aid to Buffet for the gash he's about to receive from Obama. |
Actually, Obama had proposed raising the capital gains tax as high at 28%, but even at 22%, that represents a difference of $3.2 million dollars for him. That's money that, as you suggest, wouldn't feel like a pinch to Buffet, but could certainly help with a national debt that must be paid somehow. It was just sickening to hear the McCain campaign repeatedly decrying a raise on capital gains taxes as a major blow to people with IRA and 401K plans when neither is even subject to capital gains. Buffet obviously supported a plan that would cost him millions while McCain tried to stop the idea by lying to the American people. So yeah, food for thought: who was really putting country first? |
I agree but he also argued about the taxes on small businesses, married people and individuals making around 250k. Granted those aren't poor people but they do have an affect on the economy and last I checked that's in the shitter. Why not spare all working people (i.e. those subject to income taxes) and the poor from paying more taxes when you can increase taxes on the wealthy whom on a percentage basis pay so little? We could make the capital gains tax progressive like the income tax. We could make tax free shelters based on net worth and not how much is actually put into the shelters. |
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11/07/2008 07:16:22 PM · #1346 |
It seems that a high government involvement in social and healthcare programs is one of the leading contributors to increased happiness of the citizens.
Any thoughts?
Message edited by author 2008-11-07 19:18:59. |
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11/07/2008 07:24:30 PM · #1347 |
Originally posted by yanko:
I agree but he also argued about the taxes on small businesses, married people and individuals making around 250k. Granted those aren't poor people but they do have an affect on the economy and last I checked that's in the shitter. Why not spare all working people (i.e. those subject to income taxes) and the poor from paying more taxes when you can increase taxes on the wealthy whom on a percentage basis pay so little? We could make the capital gains tax progressive like the income tax. We could make tax free shelters based on net worth and not how much is actually put into the shelters. |
Huh, more taxes? He's only raising taxes on those making $603K+ (and even then, people making $250K are still getting the current tax cut). Capital gains are also essentially a progressive tax by nature since the vast majority are claimed by the upper classes. |
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11/07/2008 08:04:07 PM · #1348 |
Originally posted by citymars:
Daryl, if you're still trying to make the point that there was some merit to the idea that Palin living in Alaska gives her insight into Russia, I urge you to give it up. If you want to defend Palin and/or Republicans in general, at least focus on a reasonably defensible defendable issue! |
Well, I don't think I ever defended Palin so I don't know why you used the word "still". I simply stated that closer physical location to something gives someone more knowledge about it then someone who isn't close to it. Do you really want to argue that?
The original I answered was
"She seems to be connecting her insight with being able to see the country. Is that some kind of qualification?"
And I simply stated:
"Being geographically close to something often leads to knowledge of that thing."
Hardly seems worth arguing to me? But if you want to discuss it lets go! |
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11/07/2008 08:09:51 PM · #1349 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Wasn't she gov of the whole state? |
Is the implication that because she was governor of Alaska, which is closer to Russia than any other part of the US, she has greater knowledge of Russia than others? If so, then I wonder why Mike Huckabee thought that Canada had a "national igloo" that needed preserving? Surely his proximity to Canada would have precluded him from making such an embarrassing blunder? For that matter, why did Obama think that Canada had a president as opposed to a Prime Minister? Surely being in Chicago, so close to Canada, he would know such a thing.
Maybe proximity means squat after all. |
No, the implication was that she was Gov of the whole state and parts of it are much closer then 680 miles. Do you want to argue if she was Gov of the whole state, or if there are areas of Alaska closer to russia then 680 miles? You guys are really good at turning things into arguments.
And who was talking about Canada, Huckabee or Obama? Why bring that up? |
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11/07/2008 08:22:38 PM · #1350 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by RonB:
When did Sarah Palin ever say that she could "see Russia from my house"? |
Can you prove she hasn't? ;-) |
Yep. Proof positive.
If she HAD said it, someone would have posted a link proving that she did.
Ergo, a lack of proof that she DID is proof that she DIDN'T.
:-) |
That's only proof she never said it in public in fron of anyone who could record or recount the event and would be willing and able to post it someplace crawled by Google. That doesn't prove she's never said it. |
Ahhemm
:-)) |
Ahhemm???? Ahhemm WHAT?
In the video you linked to Palin does NOT say that she can "see Russia from my house", she says that "you can actually see Russia from LAND HERE IN ALASKA", which is 100% true:
Ahhemm yourself. |
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