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10/29/2008 12:28:13 AM · #576 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
There's also like a bunch of polls that say 25% of Americans think the country is ok and going in the right direction. I assume they are the exact same group that approve of Bush.
Who are they? Where do they live? Are they on medication? Were they deprived of air at birth? Is it safe to meet them? What type of foods do they consume? Are they allowed to drive? |
In a related item Newsweek poll finds that (36%) Of Americans say the Bible's book of Revelation is a "true prophesy" that predicts the end of the world as it will happen. This is the only rational explanation for the Bush policies, why else would you destroy the country's future for a limited benefit of the moment? Because there will be no future! If you believe you will be dead next week wouldn't it make sense to run up the credit card bill?
Message edited by author 2008-10-29 00:39:45. |
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10/29/2008 12:40:02 AM · #577 |
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Which media outlets do you think are left leaning? Which are close to neutral? |
Some shows on MSNBC, for example Countdown with Keith Olbermann, and The Rachel Maddow Show, are left-leaning. That is, they delight in puncturing windbags like Fox News' Bill O'Reilly. Maddow actually has Pat Buchanan on frequently. She will disagree with his views but at least she lets him speak. Can't say the same for how Fox News treats their liberal guests. |
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10/29/2008 01:09:19 AM · #578 |
On the question of who is an un-biased source, i think it really is a litmus test to see where you really stand. I'm a progressive liberal, so I have to listen to Pacifica radioto feel that there is anyone out there on the left past me. As a good lefty i listen to alot of NPR, and there is a lefty bias in the arts programming, Fresh Air, Prairie home companion, Car Talk ect. But those are arts-entertainment shows. Blaming NPR for bias there would be like saying the content of the Simpsons balanced out Fox.
2003 study found...
Despite a perception that National Public Radio is politically liberal, the majority of its sources are actually Republicans and conservatives, according to a survey released Tuesday by Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, a left-leaning media watchdog.
"Republicans not only had a substantial partisan edge," according to a report accompanying the survey, "individual Republicans were NPR's most popular sources overall, taking the top seven spots in frequency of appearance."
In addition, representatives of right-of-center think tanks outnumbered their leftist counterparts by more than 4 to 1, FAIR said.
Citing comments dating to Richard Nixon's presidency in the 1970s, the report said, "That NPR harbors a liberal bias is an article of faith among many conservative." However, it added, "Despite the commonness of such claims, little evidence has ever been presented for a left bias at NPR."
The study counted 2,334 sources used in 804 stories aired last June for "All Things Considered," "Morning Edition," "Weekend Edition Saturday' and "Weekend Edition Sunday." For the analysis of think tanks, FAIR used the months of May through August 2003.
Overall, Republicans outnumbered Democrats by 61% to 38%, a figure only slightly higher now, when the GOP controls the White House and both houses of Congress, than during a previous survey in 1993, when Bill Clinton was president.
The interesting thing about liberal bias is the need they have to throw up some verifiable fact into the argument. SO IMHO if you find NPR too liberal, it is because you are too conservative ;) |
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10/29/2008 01:15:06 AM · #579 |
Originally posted by citymars:
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Which media outlets do you think are left leaning? Which are close to neutral? |
Some shows on MSNBC, for example Countdown with Keith Olbermann, and The Rachel Maddow Show, are left-leaning. That is, they delight in puncturing windbags like Fox News' Bill O'Reilly. Maddow actually has Pat Buchanan on frequently. She will disagree with his views but at least she lets him speak. Can't say the same for how Fox News treats their liberal guests. |
Well those are shows though. Personally, I don't mind the fact that a show is left or right leaning. What concerns me is they run nearly 24/7 on cable news. So little time is spent just reporting the news without some show coming on to discuss it. It's like MTV when it stopped playing music videos. It would be nice if the news got back to reporting the news.
Message edited by author 2008-10-29 01:17:52.
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10/29/2008 01:25:50 AM · #580 |
Originally posted by yanko:
It's like MTV when it stopped playing music videos. |
This is a VERY apt analogy. CNN and the like were at one time very informative. Now they are just talking heads and advertising. |
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10/29/2008 08:00:27 AM · #581 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
..."Retired presidents now receive a pension based on the salary of the current administration's cabinet secretaries (Executive Level I), which is $191,300 as of 2008."... |
WOW, sure would be nice to have my pension based on the current salary of a S/Sgt... the glass I could own.
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10/29/2008 08:16:52 AM · #582 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by Flash:
"[i]You should know that in the polls as recently as this month, one taken by Rasmussen, the majority of Americans think that FOX is the least biased network out there. |
So? Just because the majority thinks it doesn't make it so. The majority watches Fox news too. Go figure. |
Maybe it's because Hillary Clinton said that Fox News was the most fair? |
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10/29/2008 08:52:58 AM · #583 |
| I actually heard on the radio (DC station) this morning from a caller who was scared they were going to get locked up when they got to the polls because they hadn't paid child support and owe back taxes. Then he went on to say how they needed Obama to win so he could help support their community. This is so sad and pathetic. |
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10/29/2008 09:28:57 AM · #584 |
Originally posted by Chinabun:
I actually heard on the radio (DC station) this morning from a caller who was scared they were going to get locked up when they got to the polls because they hadn't paid child support and owe back taxes. Then he went on to say how they needed Obama to win so he could help support their community. This is so sad and pathetic. |
Wonder if they'll lock up "Joe the Plumber" when he goes to vote? |
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10/29/2008 09:29:43 AM · #585 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Despite a perception that National Public Radio is politically liberal, the majority of its sources are actually Republicans and conservatives, according to a survey released Tuesday by Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, a left-leaning media watchdog.
IMHO if you find NPR too liberal, it is because you are too conservative ;) |
Hence the common saying that reality has a liberal bias. Very often, it's not that the media is too liberal, it's that it isn't conservative enough. If you view the world through the blinders of religion, racism, tradition, or any other effort to preserve (conserve) the "old ways," your perception of the world will be skewed by what you want to believe is reality. Some people once refused to believe in heliocentricity or germ theory despite any measure of proof, and now that same desperate 'clinging to long held belief' applies to evolution and global warming long after they've become overwhelmingly accepted as fact. That principle is used to influence the naive by playing to their fears over anything they've been taught to believe is bad: fear of taxes, fear of Muslims, fear of race, fear of homosexuals, and so on... and it works the same way all over the world. It is exactly why terrorists attack us.
Exhibit A.
Message edited by author 2008-10-29 09:39:37. |
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10/29/2008 09:40:17 AM · #586 |
they should lock them all up.
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Chinabun:
I actually heard on the radio (DC station) this morning from a caller who was scared they were going to get locked up when they got to the polls because they hadn't paid child support and owe back taxes. Then he went on to say how they needed Obama to win so he could help support their community. This is so sad and pathetic. |
Wonder if they'll lock up "Joe the Plumber" when he goes to vote? |
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10/29/2008 11:13:58 AM · #587 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
[quote=BrennanOB]Despite a perception that National Public Radio is politically liberal, the majority of its sources are actually Republicans and conservatives, according to a survey released Tuesday by Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, a left-leaning media watchdog.
IMHO if you find NPR too liberal, it is because you are too conservative ;) |
I always chalked the liberal bias claim to simply being smart and having access to the facts.
Ther are some mental midgets in the media and lightweight cowards more interested in ratings than reporting pertinent stories but they are educated, well studied on the topics they report, they have a pretty solid knowledge of the players, the stats...what's bulllshit and what's not, plus a ton of inside information etc.
Maybe they're not being just liberal but truthfull. |
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10/29/2008 11:27:22 AM · #588 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Maybe they're not being just liberal but truthful. |
Indeed. Per my earlier post, avoiding "liberal bias" apparently requires dishonesty–
Originally posted by scalvert:
"Fox executives and their attorneys wanted the reporters to use statements from Monsanto representatives that the reporters knew were false and to make other revisions to the story that were in direct conflict with the facts. Fox editors then tried to force Akre and Wilson to continue to produce the distorted story. When they refused and threatened to report Fox’s actions to the FCC, they were both fired. ...FOX asserted that there are no written rules against distorting news in the media. They argued that, under the First Amendment, broadcasters have the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on public airwaves. Fox attorneys did not dispute Akre’s claim that they pressured her to broadcast a false story, they simply maintained that it was their right to do so." |
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10/29/2008 11:48:21 AM · #589 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
I always chalked the liberal bias claim to simply being smart and having access to the facts.
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Speaking of Liberal bias. :D |
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10/29/2008 12:04:55 PM · #590 |
I think I figured out why McCain and Palin denounce science. They aren't getting any endorsements from the scientific community. Can't really blame them after some of the comments both of them have said. But, anyways, science is a complete and utter waste of money, right?
Nobel Laureates endorsement |
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10/29/2008 12:08:42 PM · #591 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
If you view the world through the blinders of religion, racism, tradition, or any other effort to preserve (conserve) the "old ways," your perception of the world will be skewed by what you want to believe is reality. |
You are painting with a broad brush there bud. Not all religious people are politically conservative. |
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10/29/2008 12:15:00 PM · #592 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by scalvert:
If you view the world through the blinders of religion, racism, tradition, or any other effort to preserve (conserve) the "old ways," your perception of the world will be skewed by what you want to believe is reality. |
You are painting with a broad brush there bud. Not all religious people are politically conservative. |
Even on the social issues? |
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10/29/2008 12:20:00 PM · #593 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by scalvert:
If you view the world through the blinders of religion, racism, tradition, or any other effort to preserve (conserve) the "old ways," your perception of the world will be skewed by what you want to believe is reality. |
Not all religious people are politically conservative. |
Nor are all racists. I didn't say they were. The point is that if people are raised to believe in something, they will tend to resist anything that conflicts with that view as spin, bias, lies, etc... even if it's the actual truth. |
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10/29/2008 12:20:54 PM · #594 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by scalvert:
If you view the world through the blinders of religion, racism, tradition, or any other effort to preserve (conserve) the "old ways," your perception of the world will be skewed by what you want to believe is reality. |
You are painting with a broad brush there bud. Not all religious people are politically conservative. |
In much the same way that the far right and the neo-cons have coopted terms like "patriot" and symbols like the
flag as representing their cause, so too have the religious right dominated the concept of "religion" in the US.
Message edited by author 2008-10-29 12:22:46. |
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10/29/2008 12:31:59 PM · #595 |
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10/29/2008 01:40:28 PM · #596 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by scalvert:
If you view the world through the blinders of religion, racism, tradition, or any other effort to preserve (conserve) the "old ways," your perception of the world will be skewed by what you want to believe is reality. |
You are painting with a broad brush there bud. Not all religious people are politically conservative. |
Even on the social issues? |
I can only speak personally, but on the environment, capital punishment, gun control, social services I am quite liberal. Even on the "hot button" issues of abortion and gay rights I am far from being a neo-con. |
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10/29/2008 01:41:46 PM · #597 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Nor are all racists. I didn't say they were. The point is that if people are raised to believe in something, they will tend to resist anything that conflicts with that view as spin, bias, lies, etc... even if it's the actual truth. |
Heh, well I'd say that's a universal truth, not one pertaining to any particular group... |
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10/29/2008 01:48:55 PM · #598 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by scalvert:
If you view the world through the blinders of religion, racism, tradition, or any other effort to preserve (conserve) the "old ways," your perception of the world will be skewed by what you want to believe is reality. |
You are painting with a broad brush there bud. Not all religious people are politically conservative. |
Even on the social issues? |
The church I attend is about as liberal as you can get. |
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10/29/2008 02:17:56 PM · #599 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Nor are all racists. I didn't say they were. The point is that if people are raised to believe in something, they will tend to resist anything that conflicts with that view as spin, bias, lies, etc... even if it's the actual truth. |
Heh, well I'd say that's a universal truth, not one pertaining to any particular group... |
Of course, and that's why I gave several examples of the blinders people wear. Religion just happens to be the biggie that's most often used for scare tactics. It makes absolutely no difference if Obama or Hagan are really devout Christians... the perception that they might not be is enough to scare people raised on a steady diet of fear and distrust (even though it will always turn out that the alternative candidate isn't really a Christian either in the eyes of some). Any news media that tries to dispel the myths is then considered to be horribly biased for not accepting the "truth."
Message edited by author 2008-10-29 16:24:17. |
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10/29/2008 04:17:33 PM · #600 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
I found an interesting comment here;
I think you guys here are no fun to argue with as I agree with most of your conservative, hummer driving, gun toting, liberal bashing views. I go to liberal threads and stir the pot. Preferably international liberal threads where the lefty atheist gay Obama supporting socialist outnumber us conservatives. One needs a thick skin in there. |
1. Why would you post this?
2. Are you offended by this post?
3. If you are offended, why are you offended? What specific words are offensive?
4. Have you read all my posts here on DPC and in Rant?
5. Are you aware that I have argued against atheists, gays, socialists, liberals, lefties and Obama?
6. Are you making a specific insinuation? If so say it?
If you want to search the internet for my posts - simply ask me for the sites I visit. At least place them into context. What is your opinion of Obama going to San Francisco and discussing those Pennsylvanians who cling to religion and guns while pandering to the liberal lefties? Is that acceptable?
Since you seem interested in my posts - here is another posted on the Hummer site from a participant who is a bit more left:
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Originally Posted by h3hummerVA
I feel like I should have to be a republican to own a hummer. Thats just not right!
Reply:
The fact that others than "republicans" own Hummers is (imo) a good thing. The question becomes "why" do you own the Hummer? You must be aware of the "stigma" associated with it and the preception it denotes about you as a vehicle owner, so either you disagree with some the tenets of the democrats and drive the H out of spite, or you have a real NEED for the capabilities of this particular machine and thus overlook the stigma and perception or you are really a republican but just don't know it yet .
Seriously, I think anyone can drive whatever they like. It does seem that most Hummer owners lean towards the conservative side. However as I do not agree with every part of the platform - I do pretty much support the ideas that mans impact on Global warming are minimal at best and I am far from the platform of restricting the 2nd amendment and I do think that fur and meat are viable options in apparrel and dinnerfare - respectively. Lastly, my preference is for lower taxes not more social support for those that won't help themselves, and smaller rather than larger government - which pushes me towats the republican side. I do have issue with some on the right who want to interfere with a couple of women's choice issues, but overall, I'd say I lean quite a bit more right. I think most H owners do. Why else would they drive such an icon of individualism. A vehicle that only Harley owners surpass as one that gets personalized and customized. There won't be an identical H3 to mine on the streets/trails. Nor a Road King either. I like it that way. Like nothing else.
Please feel free to respond. |
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