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10/21/2008 11:19:39 PM · #426 |
I have lots of purple socks, they're groovy :)
Actually, I have lots of purple everything....
Message edited by author 2008-10-21 23:20:07.
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10/21/2008 11:46:38 PM · #427 |
Originally posted by bauerfan71:
I so hope I can figure out a way to enter purple socks in one of this weeks challenges. |
how about just a socks challenge? have we had one of those yet? i have lots of fuzzy socks id like to show off:) |
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10/21/2008 11:52:24 PM · #428 |
I just got a comment that just says what my subject is....like I didn't already know what I took a photo of? Weird.
Votes: 124
Views: 212
Avg Vote: 5.3548
Comments: 6
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10/22/2008 02:49:34 AM · #429 |
Since no one else is really covering basssman7's back, I'll bring up what I mentioned back around page 3 or so. Can a zoo really be called a natural environment? I mean, c'mon, really? No matter how much you massage the semantics here, a zoo is an artificial, man-made environment. If you disagree with this statement, really disagree, then please alter the Wikipedia entry for Natural Environment. PLEASE. Because it's obvious that many other people out there are wrong on this definition as well. Here's your chance to correct it.
Snippet from Wikipedia:
The natural environment is contrasted with the built environment, which comprises the areas and components that are strongly influenced by man.
My non-zoo, true natural environment, wet pants, stalking the wildlife shot:
Votes: 124
Views: 223
Avg Vote: 5.4516
Comments: 3
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10/22/2008 03:10:57 AM · #430 |
Originally posted by ti_evom:
Since no one else is really covering basssman7's back, I'll bring up what I mentioned back around page 3 or so. Can a zoo really be called a natural environment? I mean, c'mon, really? No matter how much you massage the semantics here, a zoo is an artificial, man-made environment. If you disagree with this statement, really disagree, then please alter the Wikipedia entry for Natural Environment. PLEASE. Because it's obvious that many other people out there are wrong on this definition as well. Here's your chance to correct it.
Snippet from Wikipedia:
The natural environment is contrasted with the built environment, which comprises the areas and components that are strongly influenced by man. |
But this is not a "Natural Environment" challenge, it's a Wildlife challenge. Refer then to Wikipedia's definition of Wildlife
Originally posted by Wikipedia:
Wildlife includes all non-domesticated plants, animals, and other organisms. |
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10/22/2008 03:20:41 AM · #431 |
Originally posted by LadyTara:
I have lots of purple socks, they're groovy :)
Actually, I have lots of purple everything.... |
Why does this not surprise me? ;)
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10/22/2008 03:40:09 AM · #432 |
>>But this is not a "Natural Environment" challenge, it's a Wildlife challenge. Refer then to Wikipedia's definition of Wildlife
errr...
"For the purpose of this challenge, "wildlife" should be considered non-domesticated mammals, birds, reptiles and amphibians living in a natural environment."
I agree with the wildlife definition. :-) |
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10/22/2008 04:01:08 AM · #433 |
I think  basssman7 is taking an unnecessary beating as well, albeit, he brought it on himself! Kudos to leaving a comment with the low score, I don't. People just get pissed. I definitely don't agree with the reckless unabombing, but hey, everyone deals with the DNMCs in their own way. ( prash, vote count is relatively small, and a 1 instead of a 5 can make a difference) We often have our own expectations for a challenge and how we plan to vote that challenge. I don't think he is wrong in this instance. The challenge description says "a natural environment".
Now for my two cents...I do not consider the average zoo a natural environment for most species. Even our spectacular examples of the San Diego Zoo and Wild Animal Park here in So Cal do not qualify as a natural environment. They do what they can, but just because it may look like their natural environment does not make it such. The interspecies relationships, climate, etc., just are not there. No problem, these places are needed for specie preservation and recovery.
For those who are curious, my shot was taken in a wildlife sanctuary. The species are free to come and go as they please, and are native to our region and the habitat of the region. That is a natural environment.
Anyway, I applied my own standard voting rules, in that a DNMC gets at best a 4 from me. I'm very open to wide interpretations of the challenges, but zoo shots do not count in this instance. I do appreciate the effort, and, quite often, the difficulty of the zoo shot. If it's a great zoo shot, you get a 4 from me. Regardless, my top 5 photographs for this challenge are not zoo shots, and the zoo shots do not stack up to those images in my opinion. I searched for the spectacular environmental portraits.
For Shanon...if I'm not certain, I vote the photograph as if it was in a natural environment, but the uncertain images did not crack my top 10.
Sorry for the long post...
Message edited by author 2008-10-22 04:02:38. |
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10/22/2008 05:23:39 AM · #434 |
Originally posted by ti_evom:
>>But this is not a "Natural Environment" challenge, it's a Wildlife challenge. Refer then to Wikipedia's definition of Wildlife
errr...
"For the purpose of this challenge, "wildlife" should be considered non-domesticated mammals, birds, reptiles and amphibians living in a natural environment."
I agree with the wildlife definition. :-) |
woteva.
Originally posted by Wikipedia:
Wildlife can be found in all ecosystems, Deserts, rainforests, plains, and other areas—including the most developed urban sites — all have distinct forms of wildlife. |
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10/22/2008 05:32:57 AM · #435 |
Originally posted by rinac:
Originally posted by ti_evom:
>>But this is not a "Natural Environment" challenge, it's a Wildlife challenge. Refer then to Wikipedia's definition of Wildlife
errr...
"For the purpose of this challenge, "wildlife" should be considered non-domesticated mammals, birds, reptiles and amphibians living in a natural environment."
I agree with the wildlife definition. :-) |
woteva.
Originally posted by Wikipedia:
Wildlife can be found in all ecosystems, Deserts, rainforests, plains, and other areas—including the most developed urban sites — all have distinct forms of wildlife. |
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I read that to mean wildlife can be found in most developed urban sites. For example, the urban site where I live there are pigeons, squirrels, racoons, possums, etc, living wildly. We even have bats that live under a bridge in downtown. They come and go as they please although you don't see much of them this time of year.
Message edited by author 2008-10-22 05:38:01.
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10/22/2008 05:43:29 AM · #436 |
Votes: 131
Views: 251
Avg Vote: 6.4962
Comments: 10
Favorites: 1
OMG!!!! I got a fave!!! Now my life is complete :-) |
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10/22/2008 05:45:43 AM · #437 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Votes: 124
Views: 224
Avg Vote: 6.0565
Comments: 8
Favorites: 1
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 10/21/08 09:56 pm
 snaffles gimme ".3" points, I give you my fav :P |
Already voted and commented...and looks like I don't need it now, thanks much! :-) |
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10/22/2008 06:03:19 AM · #438 |
>>They come and go as they please although you don't see much of them this time of year.<<
Therein lies the crux of the challenge description. In a natural environment, wildlife can move freely without being restrained within the boundaries placed by man such as found in a zoo. |
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10/22/2008 06:12:06 AM · #439 |
| Just got a comment saying the evidence of natural environment is missing in the photo. The funny thing is that the photo was actually shot in the animal's natural environment. It's not even a zoo shot. |
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10/22/2008 06:24:44 AM · #440 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
Votes: 131
Views: 251
Avg Vote: 6.4962
Comments: 10
Favorites: 1
OMG!!!! I got a fave!!! Now my life is complete :-) |
WTG Susan. Now all you need is a wishlist. :P
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10/22/2008 07:50:13 AM · #441 |
Originally posted by halopes:
Just got a comment saying the evidence of natural environment is missing in the photo. The funny thing is that the photo was actually shot in the animal's natural environment. It's not even a zoo shot. |
Whether zoo or in the wild, did you give any pixel evidence of the animal being in a natural environment? Your image may be different, but there sure were a lot of zoomed in close ups of animal faces..... without enough context of the setting. That kind of shot can be criticized for lacking a natural environment. My score fell steadily yesterday.... on my non-zoo entry.
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Views: 260
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10/22/2008 07:54:47 AM · #442 |
| Maybe I'm missing something, but I just can't understand how a close-up of a lion, a zebra, an elephant, etc, can NOT meet a "wildlife" challenge... |
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10/22/2008 08:11:09 AM · #443 |
| Oh...Oh...I woke up this morning to a second fav (thank you!)...but commentor #13 is still lurking out there and has yet to appear...YIKES! |
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10/22/2008 08:44:42 AM · #444 |
Votes: 129
Views: 232
Avg Vote: 6.1938
Comments: 9
Favorites: 1
Sigh. |
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10/22/2008 10:47:38 AM · #445 |
Originally posted by halopes:
Maybe I'm missing something, but I just can't understand how a close-up of a lion, a zebra, an elephant, etc, can NOT meet a "wildlife" challenge... |
Yes, you missed the aspect of the challenge description that stated a natural environment. It's been beaten to death at this point, but the reality is a zoo can not be a natural environment. |
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10/22/2008 10:53:27 AM · #446 |
Originally posted by bspurgeon:
Originally posted by halopes:
Maybe I'm missing something, but I just can't understand how a close-up of a lion, a zebra, an elephant, etc, can NOT meet a "wildlife" challenge... |
Yes, you missed the aspect of the challenge description that stated a natural environment. It's been beaten to death at this point, but the reality is a zoo can not be a natural environment. |
It's a "wildlife" challenge, not a "natural environment" challenge, but ok... |
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10/22/2008 10:58:45 AM · #447 |
Originally posted by halopes:
Just got a comment saying the evidence of natural environment is missing in the photo. The funny thing is that the photo was actually shot in the animal's natural environment. It's not even a zoo shot. |
This is the issue folks not zoo -vs- wild.... when you vote low do you know with 100+% accuracy that the shot is in a zoo and not a wildlife preserve or in the true wild? Close up - native flora - natural environment - etc is moot if you can not say that without a doubt it is not in a zoo and barring a fence or bars/concrete ravine in the shot you can't. While you vote others down you are rewarding some so your position is flawed because you have now voted down a true wildlife shot (that you thought was in a zoo) while rewarding one that was shot in a zoo (but you didn't know).
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10/22/2008 10:59:27 AM · #448 |
Originally posted by halopes:
Originally posted by bspurgeon:
Originally posted by halopes:
Maybe I'm missing something, but I just can't understand how a close-up of a lion, a zebra, an elephant, etc, can NOT meet a "wildlife" challenge... |
Yes, you missed the aspect of the challenge description that stated a natural environment. It's been beaten to death at this point, but the reality is a zoo can not be a natural environment. |
It's a "wildlife" challenge, not a "natural environment" challenge, but ok... |
And this will make it round 3, 4, ???...around and around we go. :-) |
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10/22/2008 11:01:36 AM · #449 |
Originally posted by mom2two:
...do you know with 100+% accuracy that the shot is in a zoo and not a wildlife preserve or in the true wild? Close up - native flora - natural environment - etc is moot if you can not say that without a doubt it is not in a zoo and barring a fence or bars/concrete ravine in the shot you can't.... |
Sure you can. Pull the image into Photoshop, zoom in on the eyes, and look for reflections in the eyes to validate your assumptions. Piece of cake! :-D |
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10/22/2008 11:09:39 AM · #450 |
Originally posted by ti_evom:
Since no one else is really covering basssman7's back, I'll bring up what I mentioned back around page 3 or so. Can a zoo really be called a natural environment? I mean, c'mon, really? No matter how much you massage the semantics here, a zoo is an artificial, man-made environment. If you disagree with this statement, really disagree, then please alter the Wikipedia entry for Natural Environment. PLEASE. Because it's obvious that many other people out there are wrong on this definition as well. Here's your chance to correct it.
Snippet from Wikipedia:
The natural environment is contrasted with the built environment, which comprises the areas and components that are strongly influenced by man.
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DITTO!
As unpopular as my opinion has been in this thread for voicing the same opinion, (I've still got claw marks! ;)) I can see that those who took zoo shots are going to defend them being "natural environments" and those who trudged through heaven knows what to get a shot in the wildlife areas are going to be disgruntled that the zoo shots were allowed because a squirrel, duck, swan etc. does not match up to the majesty of some of the more exotic animals found in zoos. BOTH shots are tough shots! I've done both.
But, the real crux of the matter here is the misinterpretations that people have had over the term "natural environment". I truly still feel that the challenge criteria, should zoo shots have been in mind when the challenge concept was formed, should have stated "non-domesticated wildlife" period. It's the "in their natural environments" that has caused this uproar.
While some will ask what the big deal is...this is only for fun. Well, it seems that there's a high number of members who spend a tremendous amount of time and effort, out there, no matter where or how, getting shots and spending the week, coming up with a concept/idea/searching for one, taking the time, effort and yes, oftentimes, money to get a shot, then the time to download, choose and edit (which, for some with more know-how) can be quite extensive and time consuming! So, it CAN become quite an emotional issue when people have put in this kind of effort! This type of misunderstanding can mean that one or the other types of photos can get "shafted" so to speak in voting and heaven knows, with the numbers of "sour graped" or "troll voters" running around, zapping off 1's and 2's for NO good reason, other than their own emotional or small mental pleasures, there's already enough frustration.
I'm seriously considering that DPC may not be for me at all. My experiences here have not been all that pleasant. Even after a several month haitus from 2 paid years of membership, and coming back in with renewed optimism as well as a new slant, I'm finding things getting even more frustrating than they were before.
Bass....I agree with you. |
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