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07/17/2008 05:57:47 PM · #176 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Total privacy isn't expected, no, but common courtesy is. |
An excellent point. Now tell me why the lady who didn't want the pictures taken of her kids simply show some and leave the area until the photog was done photographing his kids? |
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07/17/2008 06:15:11 PM · #177 |
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07/17/2008 06:58:21 PM · #178 |
Originally posted by L2:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Total privacy isn't expected, no, but common courtesy is. |
An excellent point. Now tell me why the lady who didn't want the pictures taken of her kids simply show some and leave the area until the photog was done photographing his kids? |
Don't know. Good question. I think the whole person with a camera paranoia is stronger in the UK than here, and she reacted without making any observation of the dad with his camera (i.e. - looking where he was shooting, etc...).
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07/17/2008 07:03:15 PM · #179 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Total privacy isn't expected, no, but common courtesy is. |
I don't know what you are imagining I do, but I don't get in anybody's face or photograph them in a way which should disturb them at all. Actually, I rarely take pictures of "other" people besides family and friends, though I took these at a public event yesterday; my guess is that there were about 200 other cameras going at the same time as mine ...
Taken at yesterday's "Ice Cream Social" (kids made their own) at the Lawrence Hall of Science on the UC Berkeley campus.
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You're right. In this case you've laid out it shouldn't be a problem at all. I've been in the same scenario with my own kids at events with a fairly large gathering (school, sports, scouting, etc...). Most of the parents expect to see me with a camera and know I'll share photos with them quite freely, and I don't give a second thought to other parents doing the same.
For some reason (when I first read your post) I envisioned some of the parks we go to around here on a fairly quiet afternoon/evening when there's hardly anyone around (maybe two or three other families). If a person showed up and started taking photos of my family in that quiet environment it would make things uncomfortable. I guess that's where I was thinking of the common courtesy thing, public place or not. |
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07/17/2008 07:08:31 PM · #180 |
Originally posted by L2:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Total privacy isn't expected, no, but common courtesy is. |
An excellent point. Now tell me why the lady who didn't want the pictures taken of her kids simply show some and leave the area until the photog was done photographing his kids? |
From the Fox story about the Daily Mail story:
'asked' 'protested' 'demanded'
Those three words are chosen by an editor. |
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07/17/2008 07:29:01 PM · #181 |
Can anyone tell me what is wrong with this sentence from the linked story?
"A 33-year-old Michigan man is accused of wearing a "World's Greatest Dad" shirt to a meeting for sex with what he thought was a 14-year-old girl."
If only he'd worn his polo shirt. :/ |
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07/17/2008 07:48:33 PM · #182 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Can anyone tell me what is wrong with this sentence from the linked story?
"A 33-year-old Michigan man is accused of wearing a "World's Greatest Dad" shirt to a meeting for sex with what he thought was a 14-year-old girl."
If only he'd worn his polo shirt. :/ |
He probably thinks he is the worlds greatest dad since he only molest other peoples children, not his own. |
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07/17/2008 08:02:55 PM · #183 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
. . .(partial-quote). . .
As stated - location & context make a big difference and as a casual photographer who loves to photograph children, I am resigned to being mindful of parents sensitivities and avoid shooting in situations that may cause a confrontation. I just find it depressing that our quality of life is constantly degraded - more by the perceptions than the reality. . . . |
Yes it is sad and depressing, it makes me yearn for "back in the good old days" before we had such a multitude of hungry lawyers, and fearful inhabitants of this beautiful planet...
I'm not making any point, only an analogy, that life is always based on perceptions.
It just seems like a strange comment about perceptions, coming a Photographer. Photography is all about the "Perception" of reality, capturing the momental slice-of-time, then editing, cropping/composing to create a Perception for the particular audience.
We must continue to create a friendly, courteous, perception of ourselves. It's not easy, I could've easily confronted a mall security guard and get hauled off for some distubance.
People can win or lose many things just by perception. If you put your heart into it, it shines through to your skin. You can't hide your true feelings, actors work hours on that. |
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07/17/2008 09:03:50 PM · #184 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
... As a "legitimate" photographer, I'd have no problem with any parent asking me what I was doing, as long as they go away when I tell them (unless they want me to email them copies). |
You'd have a problem if they hovered around you and tarnished your experience at the park? Sounds a bit hypocritical to me... |
No, not that .. just they should not be harassing me or preventing me from doing whatever I was doing.
If they are interested in the photos/photography I'd be happy to share the experience with them. I thought I had implied that with the parenthetical addition in my original post ... |
I understand your point, however, if someone was pointing a camera at my kids at some local park I would find that invasive. Therefore, our family outing would not be as pleasant as it would be without that lens pointing in our direction. The point I was trying to make is it's ok to impede on others but not be impeded upon yourself (from your post: "as long as they go away")? ETA - meaning YOU don't want to be bothered either. |
Why do you expect privacy in a public place? |
Total privacy isn't expected, no, but common courtesy is. |
Since when is taking photos rude? Are you Amish? Does your religion believe that your soul will be stolen by the box with the magic eye? |
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07/17/2008 09:11:20 PM · #185 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
... As a "legitimate" photographer, I'd have no problem with any parent asking me what I was doing, as long as they go away when I tell them (unless they want me to email them copies). |
You'd have a problem if they hovered around you and tarnished your experience at the park? Sounds a bit hypocritical to me... |
No, not that .. just they should not be harassing me or preventing me from doing whatever I was doing.
If they are interested in the photos/photography I'd be happy to share the experience with them. I thought I had implied that with the parenthetical addition in my original post ... |
I understand your point, however, if someone was pointing a camera at my kids at some local park I would find that invasive. Therefore, our family outing would not be as pleasant as it would be without that lens pointing in our direction. The point I was trying to make is it's ok to impede on others but not be impeded upon yourself (from your post: "as long as they go away")? ETA - meaning YOU don't want to be bothered either. |
Why do you expect privacy in a public place? |
Total privacy isn't expected, no, but common courtesy is. |
Since when is taking photos rude? Are you Amish? Does your religion believe that your soul will be stolen by the box with the magic eye? |
I guess I shouldn't have expected you to understand the concept of common courtesy. |
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07/17/2008 09:19:00 PM · #186 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
... As a "legitimate" photographer, I'd have no problem with any parent asking me what I was doing, as long as they go away when I tell them (unless they want me to email them copies). |
You'd have a problem if they hovered around you and tarnished your experience at the park? Sounds a bit hypocritical to me... |
No, not that .. just they should not be harassing me or preventing me from doing whatever I was doing.
If they are interested in the photos/photography I'd be happy to share the experience with them. I thought I had implied that with the parenthetical addition in my original post ... |
I understand your point, however, if someone was pointing a camera at my kids at some local park I would find that invasive. Therefore, our family outing would not be as pleasant as it would be without that lens pointing in our direction. The point I was trying to make is it's ok to impede on others but not be impeded upon yourself (from your post: "as long as they go away")? ETA - meaning YOU don't want to be bothered either. |
Why do you expect privacy in a public place? |
Total privacy isn't expected, no, but common courtesy is. |
Since when is taking photos rude? Are you Amish? Does your religion believe that your soul will be stolen by the box with the magic eye? |
I guess I shouldn't have expected you to understand the concept of common courtesy. |
I mean if the guys up in your face or telling your kids to look at the camera and smile, sure, that's obnoxious, but standing there pressing the shutter button?
Also, wouldn't common courtesy involve you simply leaving or having your quiet time in your walled off back yard? |
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07/17/2008 11:16:12 PM · #187 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
I guess I shouldn't have expected you to understand the concept of common courtesy. |
Do tell... exactly what have you gained by making such a remark?
Ray |
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07/18/2008 03:07:09 AM · #188 |
| I think all participants of this thread should battle it out with paintball or airsoft guns. C'mon, who's in? It'll be the Perverts vs. the Overreacting Parents. The battle will take place at a local childrens park. Taking hostages is allowed. Let's make this an international incident of Floridian proportions! |
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07/18/2008 04:01:53 AM · #189 |
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07/18/2008 04:02:48 AM · #190 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
I think all participants of this thread should battle it out with paintball or airsoft guns. C'mon, who's in? It'll be the Perverts vs. the Overreacting Parents. The battle will take place at a local childrens park. Taking hostages is allowed. Let's make this an international incident of Floridian proportions! |
Oh I do hope that nobody gets hurt. That would be such a shame!
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07/18/2008 04:18:59 AM · #191 |
| Yeah right. When I introduce real perverts and over-reacting parents to mix in with the people who are only pretending to be perverts and over-reacting parents there will be major mayhem. Absolutely no danger of separating them afterwards, so we're locking the park gates until things have run their course. |
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