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 10/22/2003 12:19:56 PM · #1
In order from most reasonable to least reasonable.

1) Provide a and link when viewing the results of challenges. I enjoy reading the comments from each entry and learn a great deal from them. However, it is a bit annoying to have to go back to the challenge results, find the next photo, and click on it.

2) Suggest limiting the verticle pixels of an image to less than 640. I find it difficult to view the entire image without scrolling. My screensize is maxed at 1024x768, but with the browser menues and task bar, I can't get the entire image.

3) Require all votes to be accompanied by comments. It would be nice to know why each vote was what it was. If the comments must remain anonymous, fine, but I find it annoying when I see blue ribbon winners with 1's and 2's. I am just curious as to why. Since we only have to vote on 20%, it is not THAT unreasonable to require an explanation.

OK. I'm done.

EDIT: Before someone mentions that I have cast 1041 votes yet only made 155 comments... Starting with the Alone challenge, I have started making comments with each vote. I already did 20 of them. 46 more and I am there.

Message edited by author 2003-10-22 12:22:40.
 10/22/2003 12:46:53 PM · #2
A possible remedy for suggestion/problem #2. Try hitting F11 to maximize your browser window. I find it helps (when I remember to do it).
10/22/2003 12:55:33 PM · #3
Originally posted by Trinch:

3) Require all votes to be accompanied by comments. It would be nice to know why each vote was what it was. If the comments must remain anonymous, fine, but I find it annoying when I see blue ribbon winners with 1's and 2's. I am just curious as to why. Since we only have to vote on 20%, it is not THAT unreasonable to require an explanation.


I would much rather have no comments left than Nice. Good. Cool. I don't like this. those comments are worthless to me. If it's nice good or cool tell me why if you don't like it tell me why but if comments became a necessary thing that is the kind of comments you will get. Face it if your score is between 4.3 and 5.6 you won't have many comments ones below a 4.3 often have lots of comments saying what is wrong and over a 5.6 you get lots of compliments. So if you aren't getting comments chances are you are just falling in the middle with most of us.
 10/22/2003 12:57:00 PM · #4
Originally posted by kavamama:
A possible remedy for suggestion/problem #2. Try hitting F11 to maximize your browser window. I find it helps (when I remember to do it).


Thanks for the tip...I had no idea that did that..cool!
 10/22/2003 12:59:36 PM · #5
Kavamama, excellent. I did not know that. Thanks.

OneSweetSin, the point was that I wanted to know why people left a 1 or a 2 on some of the pictures that I found spectacular (ie, ribbon winners). I actually find the comments left on other people's pictures just as helpful as those left on mine. But you do bring up a good point. Making it a requirement will result in a flood of "nice" and "urgh" comments which really don't answer the question of "Why?".
 10/22/2003 02:00:06 PM · #6
I've been trying to vote on all the entries, not just meeting the 20% minimum. When there are 200-300 entries it takes a lot of time to give them all a good look. I'm sure the quality of comments would go down if they were mandatory. A lot of the voters, like me, are not knowledgeable enough to leave 200-300 quality comments. But they all can decide which photos they like or dislike. Not on the same level of a quality comment from someone well-qualified, our gut-reaction likes and dislikes still have validity.
 10/22/2003 02:00:37 PM · #7
Originally posted by Trinch:


I have started making comments with each vote. I already did 20 of them. 46 more and I am there.


This is so nice of you, but I am not sure if voting 20% only is the right way to go. I am sure that some pictures that are at the end somewhere, maybe good ones, end up without ratings because some people don't at least take the trouble to look at. I don't mean that you are doing this, I just mean that might be people that would do it. Can't there be a rule like: before you start voting you have to see a slide show of all the submissions?
I might be wrong here but, hey, I am new and there are so many things I don't know yet...
 10/22/2003 02:04:44 PM · #8
Originally posted by amazoneea:
Originally posted by Trinch:


I have started making comments with each vote. I already did 20 of them. 46 more and I am there.


This is so nice of you, but I am not sure if voting 20% only is the right way to go. I am sure that some pictures that are at the end somewhere, maybe good ones, end up without ratings because some people don't at least take the trouble to look at. I don't mean that you are doing this, I just mean that might be people that would do it. Can't there be a rule like: before you start voting you have to see a slide show of all the submissions?
I might be wrong here but, hey, I am new and there are so many things I don't know yet...


I have to somewhat agree with what you are saying. I feel if you are going to vote you should vote on more than the 20%. I really dislike the 20% rule but I also realize that some don't have time to vote on all the images but I would like to see that number increased somewhat.
 10/22/2003 02:13:28 PM · #9
I agree. By 46 more to go, I only meant that that is what was needed for my votes to count. So far, I have voted on all entries in other challenges. I intend to do the same here. Time will tell. As far as not being experienced enough to offer comments on all pictures, I am also in the same boat. However, the opinion of a layman can be as useful as that of an expert. A truly beautiful photograph has to appeal to the masses, not just the experts. Some of my comments may not be offering groundbreaking advice, but it still gives them an idea of what I was seing in their photo.

On a side note (and as mentioned before) looking at other entries and their comments has helped me immensily both in commenting other entries and in improving my entries. I have a LONG way to go.
 10/22/2003 02:15:19 PM · #10
Originally posted by kavamama:
A possible remedy for suggestion/problem #2. Try hitting F11 to maximize your browser window. I find it helps (when I remember to do it).


I didn't know that one, thanks for the tip.
 10/22/2003 02:18:40 PM · #11
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:

I have to somewhat agree with what you are saying. I feel if you are going to vote you should vote on more than the 20%. I really dislike the 20% rule but I also realize that some don't have time to vote on all the images but I would like to see that number increased somewhat.


I LOVE the 20% rule. Who has time to vote on 300 photos? So many lately have had boring entries...people in a hurry as the have to submit something. If you want us to vote on all of them, then we need to limit the entries because way too many people are just taking snapshots.

FYI - I try to vote on the best first, because I want them to win...we afterall, we are "voting." After that, I go to those images that appeared that the photog took some time to compose the subject.

As you may notice, I've been around for a month now and still haven't entered a competition. It's because I don't have time to go hunt for photo opps but I will spend some time to vote and critique.
 10/22/2003 02:30:55 PM · #12
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FYI - I try to vote on the best first, because I want them to win...we afterall, we are "voting." After that, I go to those images that appeared that the photog took some time to compose the subject.
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If you are trying to vote on the best, that is good enough. That means you saw them all. I didn't mean that we should have to vote for more pictures, just to make sure that you saw all the entries so you can vote your 20% for the most deserving ones.
 10/22/2003 02:43:53 PM · #13
Originally posted by Trinch:
3) Require all votes to be accompanied by comments. It would be nice to know why each vote was what it was. If the comments must remain anonymous, fine, but I find it annoying when I see blue ribbon winners with 1's and 2's. I am just curious as to why. Since we only have to vote on 20%, it is not THAT unreasonable to require an explanation.


I don't think a comment should be required for ALL votes, but I would like to see it required for a vote of 1 and possibly 10. Maybe they could implement a way to DQ a vote. You know, you enter a 1 with no comment and you get a request form the administrators to explain why it's deserving of such a low score. Also, putting a universal symbol for good and bad at each end of the voting scale might avoid any confusion amongst non-English speaking members.
 10/22/2003 02:47:50 PM · #14
To some extent the "20% rule" is based on each person voting on a randomly presented selection of photos, to that each photo would get roughly the same number of total votes if everyone voted for only 20%.

By picking and choosing, you are penalizing certain photos not by voting them low, but by depriving them of the opportunity to be evaluated based (usually) on the thumbnail only.

I've seen many thumbnails which gave me quite a different impression after viewing the full-sized image. I've also experienced quite a few images which I didn't like too much when I first saw them on the voting page, but which revealed additional positive features after I saw the thumbnail on the vote summary page.

There's nothing "illegal" about picking specific photos to vote on, but everyone should understand the effect this has. "Wanting the best photo to win" is fine, but this site is (IMO) primarily a tool for helping photographers become better within the context of rated assignments, and that generally the "poorer" photos need more help than the best ones.
 10/22/2003 02:54:46 PM · #15
[quote=thelsel


Also, putting a universal symbol for good and bad at each end of the voting scale might avoid any confusion amongst non-English speaking members.[/quote]

If they managed to fill the applications, to agree the rules and be able to submit a picture or at least press the right button in order to start voting, I hope they will be able to understand that a 1 is the lowest vote and a 10 is the best. I still think that a kind of a slide show of the full sized pictures is what we need the most.
 10/22/2003 03:04:44 PM · #16
This is just a thought and could be difficult to implement. I don't know, I'm not a programmer :-) I think we should not be able to pick and choose what we vote on until "after" we have voted on the first 20% of the photos. This way if you only want or have time to vote on 20% then this method insures that they are random photos and the same could go for requiring that we comment on at least 10 or 20% of the photos as well. What do you think?

T
10/22/2003 05:07:57 PM · #17
Originally posted by timj351:
This is just a thought and could be difficult to implement. I don't know, I'm not a programmer :-) I think we should not be able to pick and choose what we vote on until "after" we have voted on the first 20% of the photos. This way if you only want or have time to vote on 20% then this method insures that they are random photos and the same could go for requiring that we comment on at least 10 or 20% of the photos as well. What do you think?

T


I am a programmer, so I think about how to break such programs. If such a program were implemented, we could vote all images as 1s real quick - to see them all - then go back and regrade the images we choose. So it's difficult to avoid the pick and choose.
 10/22/2003 05:12:02 PM · #18
Originally posted by GeneralE:
By picking and choosing, you are penalizing certain photos not by voting them low, but by depriving them of the opportunity to be evaluated based (usually) on the thumbnail only.


I understand, and I agree. I try to comment on as many images as I can. Assigning someone a 7-10 and giving them a few minor suggestions is easy. So that takes very little of my time. Assigning a 1-6 and giving the rationale and suggesting ways to improve is rather time consuming. I do the most I can, some weeks I have more time than others.

I don't appreciate the 'snapshots' people take. If you want to get healthy, you'd better exercise. If you want to take better pictures, you have to practice taking them.
 10/22/2003 05:21:59 PM · #19
What if I only have a limited time? I vote for 20% without knowing that there is a better one out there, one that deserves to win. I am generous with my marks. I kind of sort the pictures on my pages. The best, the second best and then the ones I don't like that much. From what I see there is always one or more that I will rate 10. If I only see 20% of them, without having the possibility of knowing what else is there, I would give the 10's to the best from what I saw. Then I go and somebody else start voting and he will get the ones I did not vote for. But he is different. He is not so generous. For him, 10 is for the perfect picture only, not the best out of what I see right here, but the best out of all I have ever seen. He is rating the best he sees with 7. Now suppose that what I've seen is not as good as what he saw. Still, mine have 10's and the better ones, the ones he saw, have 7's. What it will happen to the results if this keep happening a few times? So is probably good that you can at least choose from thumbnail what to vote for, even you can be wrong so many times...
Is there a law for the ones that talk too much?
 10/22/2003 05:39:48 PM · #20
I LOVE the idea of a NEXT and PREVIOUS button for looking at the challenge results. Poor us on dial up want to avoid any unnecessary steps. Great suggestion!
 10/22/2003 06:11:00 PM · #21
Originally posted by emorgan49:
I LOVE the idea of a NEXT and PREVIOUS button for looking at the challenge results. Poor us on dial up want to avoid any unnecessary steps. Great suggestion!


When viewing challenge results, right click an image and select "Open in New Window." Then hit the X button in the upper right corner when done looking. When that window closes, you'll be back to where you were and you can click on the next photo. If you're slick (not sslickk :)), then you'll start to open a few up at a time while viewing an already open one.
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