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 03/11/2008 03:15:48 PM · #51
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by silverscreen:
Originally posted by Matthew:
Originally posted by Brad:
Wonder if they made it so EF-S lenses will work on it.
THAT is the major thing that holds me back from the 5D vs. a 40D when the time comes.


EF-S will never work with a full frame camera like the 5D range - they are designed to cast an image onto an area smaller than the 35mm sensor (ie they cast an image onto an APS-C sized sensor) which is why they are cheaper, lighter and smaller than non-EF-S lenses.

If they did work from a mechanical perspective you would have a large shadow around the edge of the image.


Well, Nikon figured out how to do this with the D3... It uses both DX and FX lenses (DX lenses gives smaller pictures/lower resolution - but at least they are usable)


Well, like I said you can already do it with Canon cameras and the smaller crop factor lenses, you just have to throw away about a third of the image.


Except that, as far as I know, you cant attach the EF-S lens to a full frame Canon body. The mirror would hit the back end of the lens...

And in the Nikon case the camera is actually designed to take both kind of lenses...
 03/11/2008 03:17:06 PM · #52
Originally posted by Brad:
Originally posted by Gordon:

You can technically mount the lenses

Umm - my 60mm f/2.8 Macro won't even mount to a 5D. Granted I didn't try real hard, but didn't seem to even come close to mounting.


yeah, you can mount some smaller crop factor lenses (from other manufacturers) and others (like the ef-s lenses) you have to jump through some hoops to mount them. Mostly though it isn't worth it because of the large amount of vignetting. Seems the only real need for EF-S originally was to get a decent wide angle option with a forced crop camera, so that goes away with a 5D - you'd still need to buy a decent wide angle lens there, as the 10-22 or whatever wouldn't take advantage of the full wide angle sensor.

Those smaller form factor lenses are specifically designed to not make a good image across the sensor on a 5D, as someone mentioned you could throw away most of the image and use them, but then that's like buying a $5k camera and putting a coke bottle in front of it anyway, nice in a pinch I suppose.
 03/11/2008 03:18:16 PM · #53
Originally posted by silverscreen:

Except that, as far as I know, you cant attach the EF-S lens to a full frame Canon body. The mirror would hit the back end of the lens...


Same way you can't use the canon teleconverters with non-L lenses, except you can if you mount them correctly.
 03/12/2008 08:05:15 PM · #54
5D II Spec Sheet - II
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 03/12/2008 09:07:31 PM · #55
Man, it only takes reading a few threads over at DPReview to realize DPC users aren't as cranky and whacked out as you think...

I'm highly anticipating this camera although I know I won't be able to afford it until 2009.
03/12/2008 09:22:33 PM · #56
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Man, it only takes reading a few threads over at DPReview to realize DPC users aren't as cranky and whacked out as you think...


Ain't THAT the truth!

Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I'm highly anticipating this camera although I know I won't be able to afford it until 2009.


Yep, long about '09 is about right... 2109, that is! OK, not that bad, but assuming it comes to pass, I think *I'll* pass, at least for now. It's attractive, but I'm pretty happy with the 5D & not feeling the need for an upgrade. Rather invest in glass ;-)
 03/12/2008 09:25:04 PM · #57
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Man, it only takes reading a few threads over at DPReview to realize DPC users aren't as cranky and whacked out as you think...

Anonymity and ego make Internet forums a scary place. =|

Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I'm highly anticipating this camera although I know I won't be able to afford it until 2009.

Ditto - now to convince the wife we can live without one of our cars... or a kidney...

Worst part is, I don't really see the 5D taking a price dive. The 30D didn't drop all that much when the 40D came out. =P

Edit: Had to wipe the smiley off that first statement.

Message edited by author 2008-03-12 22:11:22.
 03/12/2008 10:08:44 PM · #58
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Man, it only takes reading a few threads over at DPReview to realize DPC users aren't as cranky and whacked out as you think...


No kiddin'... it's downright depressing. Nobody can say anything over there without someone jumping on their case for one reason or another. I like DPReview because they often have info before anyone else. But the people there just really need to get over themselves and grow up. DPC is a 1950's picture of a perfect family by comparison. :-)


03/12/2008 10:11:04 PM · #59
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Man, it only takes reading a few threads over at DPReview to realize DPC users aren't as cranky and whacked out as you think...

I'm highly anticipating this camera although I know I won't be able to afford it until 2009.


Interesting thread over there. The rumors are going to keep coming now. Now we just need to wait the 6 weeks until the announcement that's when I'll let myself get real excited but until then I think I will keep putting a bit extra cash aside.
 03/27/2008 08:53:32 AM · #60
Ok,

more fuel to the fire here. Northlight Images have just posted a message. Now 1, but 2 new cameras due for release in September. Check this out:

"27th We've been sent some info regarding two Canon cameras in September.

5Ds Mark II & 5D Mark II

5Ds Mark II,Full Frame Format, Digic III, 16 Mp, 14bit, 5fps - 3200 Euros

5D Mark II, x1.3 ,Digic III, 10 Mp, 14bit, 8fps - 1800 Euros

Just when we thought the 1.3 crop was dead... ;-)"

03/27/2008 09:07:31 AM · #61
Originally posted by Tez:
Ok,

more fuel to the fire here. Northlight Images have just posted a message. Now 1, but 2 new cameras due for release in September. Check this out:

"27th We've been sent some info regarding two Canon cameras in September.

5Ds Mark II & 5D Mark II

5Ds Mark II,Full Frame Format, Digic III, 16 Mp, 14bit, 5fps - 3200 Euros

5D Mark II, x1.3 ,Digic III, 10 Mp, 14bit, 8fps - 1800 Euros

Just when we thought the 1.3 crop was dead... ;-)"


Why make the more expensive camera slower? My 40D can do 6.5fps, what gives?
 03/27/2008 09:19:32 AM · #62
Hmm, wait for a 5DII or get a 1dsIII. Decisions, decisions.
 03/27/2008 09:21:57 AM · #63
Originally posted by Delta_6:
[quote=Tez]

Why make the more expensive camera slower? My 40D can do 6.5fps, what gives?


Because it costs more and many users don't need it. This camera would be throwing a lot more data around than your 40D to keep up with the same frame rate. That costs money, in terms of fast memory buffers, big memory buffers etc.
You can bring the cost down and keep the frame rate to a level that a majority of users care about.

Like most aspects of design, its a trade-off between more than just tick boxes on a marketing spec. The 1DsIII is also slower than your 40D

Message edited by author 2008-03-27 09:22:55.
 03/27/2008 09:33:37 AM · #64
This is what I called the elusive FF syndrome...

This is all marketing, but so far it is clear to me that the FF syndrome still remains in the very expensive league. In any events, the winners are the companies, not the consumers (in terms of profit)...and so far they are controlling the market pretty well.
 03/27/2008 09:35:48 AM · #65
Originally posted by msieglerfr:
This is what I called the elusive FF syndrome...

This is all marketing, but so far it is clear to me that the FF syndrome still remains in the very expensive league. In any events, the winners are the companies, not the consumers (in terms of profit)...and so far they are controlling the market pretty well.


There's been a mid priced full frame SLR available for several years. I don't quite get this comment. A few years ago full frame cost about $10k

If Nikon ever get around to doing a cut down D3 then there might be some more competition in this space. Currently Canon has had it pretty much to themselves. Sony seem to be stepping up too.

Message edited by author 2008-03-27 09:38:00.
 03/27/2008 09:36:33 AM · #66
FF sensors are still very expensive... Outdoor Photographer ran an interesting article about Digital Formats in their last issue. It was either them or Rockwell or both that said that FF sensors would remain expensive for a while, as well :/
 03/27/2008 09:39:34 AM · #67
well IMO until I see a press release from Canon them selves Im not holding my breath ;)
 03/27/2008 09:40:00 AM · #68
Originally posted by Anti-Martyr:
FF sensors are still very expensive... Outdoor Photographer ran an interesting article about Digital Formats in their last issue. It was either them or Rockwell or both that said that FF sensors would remain expensive for a while, as well :/


Semiconductor defects are in large part a function of physical area. All that Moores law and transistor shrinking doesn't really apply so well to FF sensors - you can't shrink them after all. The components on them can get smaller, the photosites can get proportionally larger and also shrink as a result, but the defect per area is still stuck at the same big area. The bigger they are, the more they cost to make.
 03/27/2008 09:40:57 AM · #69
Sony is going to start mass producing 35mm sensor by the end of this year for prosumer dSLR's..... Prices will drop soon.
 03/27/2008 09:42:53 AM · #70
Originally posted by Azrifel:
Sony is going to start mass producing 35mm sensor by the end of this year for prosumer dSLR's..... Prices will drop soon.


But it's Sony.... lol. I don't even know who makes the sensor in my camera XD
 03/27/2008 09:43:01 AM · #71
Originally posted by Azrifel:
Sony is going to start mass producing 35mm sensor by the end of this year for prosumer dSLR's..... Prices will drop soon.


For who? Canon makes their own.
 03/27/2008 09:46:40 AM · #72
Originally posted by Tez:
Ok,

more fuel to the fire here. Northlight Images have just posted a message. Now 1, but 2 new cameras due for release in September. Check this out:

"27th We've been sent some info regarding two Canon cameras in September.

5Ds Mark II & 5D Mark II

5Ds Mark II,Full Frame Format, Digic III, 16 Mp, 14bit, 5fps - 3200 Euros

5D Mark II, x1.3 ,Digic III, 10 Mp, 14bit, 8fps - 1800 Euros

Just when we thought the 1.3 crop was dead... ;-)"


I'm fine with the idea of the 5Ds - but I'm not sure where the 5DMk II mentioned above would sensibly sit. If it was the long rumoured 'cheap' 5D FF I would have no problem, but this doesn't seem to offer much over the 40D and is clearly below the 5D.

Besides as the 5D has always been associated with Full Frame, why would they release two 5D models each with a totally different sensor ?
 03/27/2008 09:49:27 AM · #73
Originally posted by Jedusi:

I'm fine with the idea of the 5Ds - but I'm not sure where the 5DMk II mentioned above would sensibly sit. If it was the long rumoured 'cheap' 5D FF I would have no problem, but this doesn't seem to offer much over the 40D and is clearly below the 5D.

Besides as the 5D has always been associated with Full Frame, why would they release two 5D models each with a totally different sensor ?


I'd guess for sports/action photographers who want a fast camera that offers crop factor to extend zoom.
 03/27/2008 09:56:52 AM · #74
I think the name '5d' for these models is just a handle to use. It cuold well be an entirely new line and no relation to the current 5d. It just happens to be a new full frame camera.

thing is, the 5d2 seems to have a spec sheet comparable with the 1ds mk2, apart from the weather sealing (which was rumoured to exist on the 5d2 anyways) for about $1000 less. 5d2 also has a faster frame rate.

But the thing that gets me about the weather sealing: if it is fully sealed (like the 1 series), does this then mean it will have to have the grip included in the body cast? Otherwise would there be any mould lines on the underside that could be problematic?

5d2 looks brilliant if it's real and it surprises me canon is not publicising it themselves because a lot of guys will go down the 5d2 path if it's real. Then again, i suppose this would take interest away from the current 5d which means they would be sold cheaper and therefore less profit.

But this is still another rumour. Again, no indication of sources, or any backup. I could just as easily say there is a new flagship model coming out that's 31mp, 10 fps and 144 focus points. Oh, it's full frame and comes with a kray attached to it.
 03/27/2008 09:59:13 AM · #75
You might be right - but I still don't see why they would release two cameras badged Canon 5D, but then put totally different sensors in them. That way only leads to confusion.

What has been discussed before is having the 5D range split into a less well featured consumer range (to allow people into full frame) and a high spec one to carry on building on it's current reputation.
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