This ought to make for a good conversation...

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03/11/2008 02:18:18 PM · #7

well maybe the study just wasn't set up to study boys. It could have been a study researching tons of things such as puberty, social relationship etc... etc.. relating to girls, and one part of the study was STDs... so if the study was about girls, obviously there would be no results about boys.

And in response to the spanking.. i find it interesting coming from Canada where the spanking culture is about the same as the states (i think).. and now living in Norway where spanking a child is ILLEGAL... yes, that good ol' spank on the bum with a hand is illegal.

I think Canadaians would find it shocking to hear that it is illegal to spank in Norway and I KNOW that norwegians think it is very suprising that it is NOT illegal to spank in Canada.

Bugzeye

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03/11/2008 02:25:23 PM · #8

Damn what happened to the good old days when a case of crabs was the worst that could happen? And whats up with the kids these days. Parents need to get more involved, talk to these kids find out what kind of emotions they are feeling and help them make proper choices. Dont just toss a box of condoms at them and call the problem solved. When I was a teenager I walked around with a condoms in my wallet for 2 years, When I finally got a chance to use one, I chose not to. Why because the girl didn't ask me to wear it. Lucky she was clean and free of everything, Now days they are walking around with simplex 10 hep B and C and HIV. Not to mention all the other less serious stuff. And it seems that people are just telling them to use a rubber and all is well.

I am glad I am married and do not have to worry about this stuff anymore but I have 3 kids and I fear the day when they start thinking about it, Hopefully they will be comfortable talking to my wife or I about it before they go out and make a big mistake.

DrAchoo

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03/11/2008 02:31:22 PM · #9

That spanking study linked above was done pretty poorly. The media will report any old study with sensational findings and not care two whits over whether it's conclusions are valid. I'm not a spanker, but, still, it was pretty silly.

I know Gordon was taking a bit of a dig at me there with his comment, but I'm not sure abstinence teaching is to blame. Is it really that prevalently taught? Personally, I think it is a defect of society as a whole. A) We are a hedonistic society. If it feels good, do it. That trickles down to sex and our teens can't help but be inundated with that mentality. B) Parents seem to increasingly want others to raise their kids. Daycare, preschool, full-day kindergarten, school, sunday school. Really parents need to stand up and put the elbow grease and effort into instilling morals and rational thinking into their children. Did I want to have sex in high school and college? You bet. Could I have? Uh-huh. Did I? No. Resisting that short-gain temptation is no easy task in our society. At the least, studies like this should be available to kids to add to the list of negative repercussions of non-monogamous sex.

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03/11/2008 03:18:01 PM · #10

Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:
One in four US teen girls has a STD.

Ouch! Whatever we're doing now. It isn't working.

Abstinence and avoid condoms. I can't believe that doesn't work.

The promotion of abstinence in the US appears to be one of the causes of the growth in teenage pregnancy and increased prevalence of STDs.

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PapaBob

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03/11/2008 03:27:10 PM · #11

Originally posted by Matthew:

Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:
One in four US teen girls has a STD.

Ouch! Whatever we're doing now. It isn't working.

Abstinence and avoid condoms. I can't believe that doesn't work.

The promotion of abstinence in the US appears to be one of the causes of the growth in teenage pregnancy and increased prevalence of STDs.

Ya. let's blame it on promotion of abstinence rather than the lack of morals in our society, never take blame thats our motto.......

Gordon

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03/11/2008 03:34:15 PM · #12

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

I know Gordon was taking a bit of a dig at me there with his comment, but I'm not sure abstinence teaching is to blame.

No, I wasn't taking a dig at you. AFAIK, abstinence only teaching is all that gets taught here in Texas, for example.

03/11/2008 03:35:58 PM · #13

Originally posted by PapaBob:

Ya. let's blame it on promotion of abstinence rather than the lack of morals in our society, never take blame thats our motto.......

If explaining safe contraception works, and preaching abstinence does not, then surely pragmatism should prevail instead of moral outrage?

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03/11/2008 03:38:08 PM · #14

Originally posted by Gordon:

No, I wasn't taking a dig at you. AFAIK, abstinence only teaching is all that gets taught here in Texas, for example.

I find that horrific - a bit like the horror I have for genital mutilation in the form of female circumcision.

superdave

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03/11/2008 03:42:26 PM · #15

Spanking does crap when it comes to things like sex. Maybe if your kid stole something then spanking his ass will make him think about whether or not he should steal again. When it comes to sex, parents really don't know if their kids are having it or not. Plus most girls are insecure about themselves and guys prey on that. The guy may not want a relationship but just sex so they can pretend to be into the girl. Most cases girls will give in and think the guy will like them more if they do it. I go to ASU and i read a recent study that 1 in 3 students at ASU has a std. Another problem is alcohol. Everytime I go to parties girls are drunk and all over the guys. My current semester started in the middle of January. I have heard atleast 50 stories from my friends, guys and girls talking about one night stands. Its pretty much a common practice for college kids to get drunk and find someone to sleep with. That is their goal when they go out. What is even crazier is more and more girls want one night stands.You can go to any house,frat, or sorority party and their will be designated rooms just for people to have sex in. My friend has lingerie and pajama parties twice a month and girls will show up just wearing thongs and stickers on their nipples.

hopper

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03/11/2008 03:42:53 PM · #16

the obvious response is "works to do what"?

Are we (as a society) trying to prevent STD's or stop youth from having sex? The conservative argument is that teaching safe sex is also encouraging sex.

(hopefully this conversation can stay on track. Every discussion doesn't have to end with "God exists" - "no He doesn't")

Originally posted by Matthew:

Originally posted by PapaBob:
Ya. let's blame it on promotion of abstinence rather than the lack of morals in our society, never take blame thats our motto.......

If explaining safe contraception works, and preaching abstinence does not, then surely pragmatism should prevail instead of moral outrage?

PapaBob

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03/11/2008 03:47:14 PM · #17

Originally posted by Matthew:

Nothing safer than abstnence so I have a hard time blaming the teaching of it and would really have a hard time believing there are many teens out there that have not heard of condoms and safe sex. I really feel society has endorsed and encouraged sexual behavior then said hey it's not our fault.

pawdrix

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03/11/2008 03:48:04 PM · #18

Originally posted by Matthew:

Originally posted by Gordon:
No, I wasn't taking a dig at you. AFAIK, abstinence only teaching is all that gets taught here in Texas, for example.

I find that horrific - a bit like the horror I have for genital mutilation in the form of female circumcision.

Slightly extreme reaction to our ass-backward educational system...don't ya think?

j/k

pawdrix

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03/11/2008 03:51:15 PM · #19

Originally posted by PapaBob:

Nothing safer than abstnence so I have a hard time blaming the teaching of it ...

Telling horny teenagers with raging hormones not to have sex is like telling a cat to stop acting like a cat.
It's a ridiculous notion. Hasn't worked, doesn't work ...it will never work. NEXT!!!

PapaBob

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03/11/2008 03:53:20 PM · #20

Originally posted by pawdrix:

Originally posted by PapaBob:

Nothing safer than abstnence so I have a hard time blaming the teaching of it ...

Telling horny teenagers with raging hormones not to have sex is like telling a cat to stop acting like a cat.
It's a ridiculous notion. Hasn't worked, doesn't work ...it will never work. NEXT!!!

My point is teaching it did not cause it.......

hopper

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03/11/2008 03:56:04 PM · #21

so instead we should embrace it?

Originally posted by pawdrix:

Hasn't worked, doesn't work ...it will never work. NEXT!!!

03/11/2008 03:56:22 PM · #22

Originally posted by hopper:

Good point - you could have an unhealthy society of people who are morally denigrated by a minority of seriously repressed people...

(joke)

Seriously - while I respect concepts of morality and restraint as being important (at least historically) for the purpose of maintaining social cohesion, concepts of morality change and vary from one person to the next.

Not giving someone the information on how to lead a healthy life seems almost criminally insane to me. There is no way that a desire to teach morality should prevent this - even within, say, a strong biblical moral code contraception should be part of a healthy life (unless you are a very committed Catholic - and even then there is a strong debate).

hopper

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03/11/2008 03:59:10 PM · #23

What if the topic were drug use and the dangers of sharing needles? Should the schools pass out clean needles and teach everyone how to properly shoot up?

we can't prevent them from doing it, so lets make it safe

Originally posted by Matthew:

Originally posted by hopper:
the obvious response is "works to do what"?

Are we (as a society) trying to prevent STD's or stop youth from having sex? The conservative argument is that teaching safe sex is also encouraging sex.

(hopefully this conversation can stay on track. Every discussion doesn't have to end with "God exists" - "no He doesn't")

Good point - you could have an unhealthy society of people who are morally denigrated by a minority of seriously repressed people...

(joke)

Seriously - while I respect concepts of morality and restraint as being important (at least historically) for the purpose of maintaining social cohesion, concepts of morality change and vary from one person to the next.

Not giving someone the information on how to lead a healthy life seems almost criminally insane to me. There is no way that a desire to teach morality should prevent this - even within, say, a strong biblical moral code contraception should be part of a healthy life (unless you are a very committed Catholic - and even then there is a strong debate).