Advice Needed For $1200 Budget (Wedding)

12/31/2007 09:01:40 AM · #126

Originally posted by option:

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

So yes, you can start a photography business with a disposable camera if you want.

Bruno did it!

He's me hero!

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.4D

12/31/2007 09:09:22 AM · #127

Originally posted by sir_bazz:

Does that mean the two non-Canon shooters must be the best wedding photographers as they made the list without using Canon equipment ?

bazz.

If canon has 50-60% of the dSLR market but 80% of the top wedding photogs shoot canon a thinking person has to ask why that is. These guys make enough money to shoot anything they want, gear wise. They've been shooting for 10-15 years, or longer. They've shot a lot more weddings than you or I. It's reasonable to assume they know more than you or I. Become a working professional photographer and you can borrow gear to try it out (I have done this so I know, so don't call me some elitist for saying it). I'd bet my testicles these top folks have tried other brands. They choose to shoot canon. There must be a reason.

option

Nikon D200

12/31/2007 09:43:19 AM · #128

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

Originally posted by option:

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

So yes, you can start a photography business with a disposable camera if you want.

Bruno did it!

He's me hero!

Hehe... I thought that whole thing was silly until I realised that hes actually one of the best wedding photogs I've ever seen.

option

Nikon D200

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.4D

12/31/2007 09:46:12 AM · #129

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

Originally posted by sir_bazz:

Does that mean the two non-Canon shooters must be the best wedding photographers as they made the list without using Canon equipment ?

bazz.

If canon has 50-60% of the dSLR market but 80% of the top wedding photogs shoot canon a thinking person has to ask why that is. These guys make enough money to shoot anything they want, gear wise. They've been shooting for 10-15 years, or longer. They've shot a lot more weddings than you or I. It's reasonable to assume they know more than you or I. Become a working professional photographer and you can borrow gear to try it out (I have done this so I know, so don't call me some elitist for saying it). I'd bet my testicles these top folks have tried other brands. They choose to shoot canon. There must be a reason.

Its the same with snowboarding... 90% of the pros shoot Canon, yet the two photographers who are arguably the two best snowboard photographers in the world shoot Nikon...

Bruno shoots Nikon, btw... ;-)

rsvirani

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

12/31/2007 11:43:32 AM · #130

Prof> I want your advice.

This forum is incredible because of the quality of discussion and specifically YOU GUYS!

I am listening to you and taking your advice. I am continuing to be influenced by each of your posts. I just felt discouraged by a couple posts and didnt feel that those statements were needed.

Anyway, so I am still fairly wishy washy about the two options (20d/40d) vs (d80/d200). I had said to myself I was doing the nikon pair and thats final, but I really cant decide. I feel like my indecisive wife, horrible.

As for lenses, I will take your advice and only get lenses that are fast enough, even if they are not in budget. I am going to rent until I acquire each lens one by one. I will also make sure I don't get anything slower than 2.8.

I wish there was a clear winner between the two pairs. What about the notion that another poster made about nikon outside, canon inside? what is the theory behind that?

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

12/31/2007 11:46:53 AM · #131

Personally, though I shoot with Canon, I don't think you will go wrong with either Canon OR Nikon.

FWIW, I shoot [American] football (outside) with a Canon, and have been pleased with it.

At this point, if I were you, I would find a camera store that had the model(s) you are interested in, go there, and hold them for a few minutes. Look at the controls. Play around with them (pretending to shoot, etc.) That *might* help you to make up your mind

violinist123

Canon EOS-6D

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

12/31/2007 12:36:02 PM · #132

Originally posted by rsvirani:

I wish there was a clear winner between the two pairs. What about the notion that another poster made about nikon outside, canon inside? what is the theory behind that?

Pretty stupid suggestion unless you are sitting on a big pile of money and can buy two of each lens.

Just pick a brand, there's no practical difference between the bodies.

rsvirani

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

12/31/2007 02:07:25 PM · #133

FINAL DECISION: (20d/40d)

I'm done. Thanks everyone for everything. Hope to talk to you all in the future.

Special Thanks To Fotomann and Prof.

12/31/2007 02:09:05 PM · #134

Originally posted by rsvirani:

FINAL DECISION: (20d/40d)

I'm done. Thanks everyone for everything. Hope to talk to you all in the future.

Special Thanks To Fotomann and Prof.

You have just made the professors head even fatter. Good luck you can't go wrong with either system. I just hope you can still respect those who shoot nikon unlike some in this thread...

:-P

Message edited by author 2007-12-31 14:09:29.

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

12/31/2007 02:13:00 PM · #135

Oh yeah one other thing this guy

benjikan shoots for Vogue and uses Pentax. Something to think about but of course the prof will say becasue they have not made as many cameras as canon they suck.

Message edited by author 2007-12-31 14:13:43.

cryingdragon

Canon EOS-10D

12/31/2007 02:24:07 PM · #136

Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:

Originally posted by rsvirani:
FINAL DECISION: (20d/40d)

I'm done. Thanks everyone for everything. Hope to talk to you all in the future.

Special Thanks To Fotomann and Prof.

You have just made the professors head even fatter. Good luck you can't go wrong with either system. I just hope you can still respect those who shoot nikon unlike some in this thread...

:-P

Waz, you shoot Nikon...I just lost all respect for ya. ;)

12/31/2007 02:24:54 PM · #137

Originally posted by cryingdragon:

Waz, you shoot Nikon...I just lost all respect for ya. ;)

You mean you had some for me before? :-P

fotomann_forever

12/31/2007 02:47:36 PM · #138

Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:

Originally posted by cryingdragon:

Waz, you shoot Nikon...I just lost all respect for ya. ;)

You mean you had some for me before? :-P

Wow, someone respected Wazz...?

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM

12/31/2007 02:52:40 PM · #139

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:

Originally posted by cryingdragon:

Waz, you shoot Nikon...I just lost all respect for ya. ;)

You mean you had some for me before? :-P

Wow, someone respected Wazz...?

There is a first for everything...

drewbixcube

Canon EOS-7D

12/31/2007 03:14:41 PM · #140

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sir_bazz

Pentax K-5

Pentax FA 50mm f/1.4 AF

12/31/2007 05:12:09 PM · #141

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

Well I thought about it and they likely bought into the megapixel race when they migrated from film.

Either that or they really, really needed that direct print button :)

bazz.

01/01/2008 03:51:03 PM · #142

Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:

Oh yeah one other thing this guy benjikan shoots for Vogue and uses Pentax. Something to think about but of course the prof will say becasue they have not made as many cameras as canon they suck.

In the film days film mattered a lot more than the camera body. Good glass always mattered, but more so now as digital sensors are 'flat' across where as film wasn't as picky about corner/edge softness.

When you buy a body now you get a lot more than a box, meter, shutter and a lens mount. You get the AF system, meter system/computer, flash system, features, build quality as well as the 'film' - dynamic range, contrast, AA filter, processing, file type, etc, etc.
Used to be a body would last 10 or 15 years. Now they are outdated, er, replaced with such features as you almost have to replace every other model (3 years or so).
used to be if a camera company went ender it wasn't an issue. New films worked in the older bodies. Got a Minolta body? No more updates of any kind, sorry. Will CS3/4/5 etc support the minolta RAW files?
The 40D can do 9 stops of dynamic range. Can that pentax? With some work on a RAW file you can get 11 stops of DR, IN COLOR (best B&W film ever made only did 11 stops, color never that good). 4 year old dSLRS do 5, maybe 7 stops. Time to upgrade.

Canon supports the pro in a lot of ways. That helps me earn more money . Support via education, loaner gear, demos and reps at conferences, constant software updates, CPS (canon professional services). they also offer more lenses of all type, some very specialized. So if I have a need for one it's out there. I know I can rent or buy it and do the job with a body and file format I'm familiar with. That improves quality and reduces the time it takes to do the job (no learning new gear).

Truth goes through three phases. First it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, third it is accepted as self evident. - Winston Churchill

Message edited by author 2008-01-01 15:52:28.

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

01/01/2008 04:20:00 PM · #143

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Oh yeah one other thing this guy benjikan shoots for Vogue and uses Pentax. Something to think about but of course the prof will say becasue they have not made as many cameras as canon they suck.

In the film days film mattered a lot more than the camera body. Good glass always mattered, but more so now as digital sensors are 'flat' across where as film wasn't as picky about corner/edge softness.

When you buy a body now you get a lot more than a box, meter, shutter and a lens mount. You get the AF system, meter system/computer, flash system, features, build quality as well as the 'film' - dynamic range, contrast, AA filter, processing, file type, etc, etc.
Used to be a body would last 10 or 15 years. Now they are outdated, er, replaced with such features as you almost have to replace every other model (3 years or so).
used to be if a camera company went ender it wasn't an issue. New films worked in the older bodies. Got a Minolta body? No more updates of any kind, sorry. Will CS3/4/5 etc support the minolta RAW files?
The 40D can do 9 stops of dynamic range. Can that pentax? With some work on a RAW file you can get 11 stops of DR, IN COLOR (best B&W film ever made only did 11 stops, color never that good). 4 year old dSLRS do 5, maybe 7 stops. Time to upgrade.

Canon supports the pro in a lot of ways. That helps me earn more money . Support via education, loaner gear, demos and reps at conferences, constant software updates, CPS (canon professional services). they also offer more lenses of all type, some very specialized. So if I have a need for one it's out there. I know I can rent or buy it and do the job with a body and file format I'm familiar with. That improves quality and reduces the time it takes to do the job (no learning new gear).

Truth goes through three phases. First it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, third it is accepted as self evident. - Winston Churchill

*Yawn*

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

01/01/2008 05:05:13 PM · #144

Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

Truth goes through three phases. First it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, third it is accepted as self evident. - Winston Churchill

*Yawn*

so, is that ridicule, or violent opposition?

edit: fixin' my quotes

Message edited by author 2008-01-01 17:15:56.

Olympus 50mm f/1.8 MF Normal Zuiko

01/01/2008 05:07:39 PM · #145

Self evident.

:-D

sir_bazz

Pentax K-5

Pentax FA 50mm f/1.4 AF

01/01/2008 05:11:17 PM · #146

Originally posted by Prof_Fate:

The 40D can do 9 stops of dynamic range. Can that pentax?

Errrr....

About two thirds down the page you'll see DR tests from the defacto standard Imatest.

DR results from Imatest

bazz.

emorgan49

Olympus E-5

01/01/2008 05:21:41 PM · #147

Every time I see this thread I want to suggest "pot luck".