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12/12/2007 06:08:24 PM · #126 |
Originally posted by MAK:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by MAK:
Self portrait should be of yourself taken by yourself no exceptions.. how easy is it to shoot someone else?
the only squeeze the bloke gets is if he did not understand the language but even then, this is an english language based site so he had to read the rules and understand them to join.. Im not saying drag the guy out into the streets and execute him but, I do think in THIS CASE entering a photo of someone else is not really fair and in good spirits BUT, we still do not know 100% that the man in the photo is not the member himself sooo....
I think the self portrait should be of one's self .. simple. |
And in this particular challenge a self portrait that is creative. Not everyone got the memo though. |
I can only speak for myself here but I thought my entry was pretty creative. |
True although hanae's was far better! ;)
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12/12/2007 06:15:16 PM · #127 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
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As far as the current image being debated,  , I would submit the following for your consideration:
Assuming for the sake of argument that he wasn't just confused and thought he needed to enter a "portrait" (he is after all from Tehran and English won't be his first language), then I'd like to think maybe his thought process went something like this:
"In my world, family and roots are everything. I want to show, in my self-portrait, where I came from and what makes me who I am."
It works for me. I'm not outraged.
R. |
yep, works for me too. |
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12/12/2007 06:23:20 PM · #128 |
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12/12/2007 06:23:26 PM · #129 |
Shouldn't we be nailing the guy that took this one in an older Self Portrait challenge? This was done back in early 2005 when the DPC world was rosy and everybody tried hard on entries.
I'm outraged!
[/tongue in cheek]
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12/12/2007 06:32:36 PM · #130 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by MAK:
I think the self portrait should be of one's self .. simple. |
Head has to be visible ? Can it be a reflection ? What about if it is the reflection of the photographer in someone's eye ?
Does it have to be recognizable ? In focus ?
As is often the case in these 'simple' rules, doing it in a way that doesn't quickly lead to lots of either special cases or arguments is usually difficult. The extremes are easy, most people enter in the grey areas - which is why the SC decided a long time ago to avoid this particular rathole, by not DQed for DNMC. I think it was the right decision then and the right decision now.
valid ? I can't see my head
valid ? Could be me, might not be
valid ? Again, could be me, might not be
Let me know which ones are actually valid self portraits of me and which are passers-by and we can talk about sensible DNMC DQ rules. |
And to make it even more ridiculous, how would SC validate the entries? Would we have to send notarized sworn affidavits with our passports or driving licenses to prove that the person in the shot is actually us? :)
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12/12/2007 06:36:41 PM · #131 |
| Well DANG ya got me there. |
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12/12/2007 06:43:14 PM · #132 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Shouldn't we be nailing the guy that took this one in an older Self Portrait challenge? This was done back in early 2005 when the DPC world was rosy and everybody tried hard on entries.
I'm outraged!
[/tongue in cheek] |
That's 'cuz you don't have a creative bone in your body, doc. If you did, you'd applaud my effort. You're a ribbon hog, a prostitute at the altar of art. And I'm sticking by my story!
[/tongue in cheek]
R.
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12/12/2007 06:57:32 PM · #133 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
That's 'cuz you don't have a creative bone in your body, doc. If you did, you'd applaud my effort. You're a ribbon hog, a prostitute at the altar of art. And I'm sticking by my story!
[/tongue in cheek]
R. |
If this doesn't poke huge holes in your theory, I don't know what will... ;)
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12/12/2007 07:27:13 PM · #134 |
there were a few others that were also not self portraits. For example:
a great photo. One I scored high. One I was amazed to think was an SP, but there you have it. Am I miffed? Yeah. Do I think hanae took an amazing photo? of course! Do I think she should be DQ'd? Nope. But I do feel misled, and that's all I feel, and I don't harbour ill will toward hanae for taking the photo at all, or not taking an SP. Its a question of interpretation, or ethics, not a matter for DQ.
ETA: MEA CULPA! I didn't recognize her at all!!!
Message edited by author 2007-12-12 19:30:06. |
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12/12/2007 07:29:01 PM · #135 |
Originally posted by frisca:
there were a few others that were also not self portraits. For example:
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I'm most positive that is Hanae. //www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=587890 |
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12/12/2007 07:30:14 PM · #136 |
forget it.
Message edited by author 2007-12-12 19:31:11. |
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12/12/2007 07:30:21 PM · #137 |
Wow, I didn't recognize her at all! |
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12/12/2007 07:51:19 PM · #138 |
 
Has anyone noticed that the stance of his profile shot and the challenge shot are just about exactly the same (his head is tilted almost exactly the same way). Maybe this is how he envisages himself, now or in thirty years time, or maybe the profile pic is an old one of himself as a younger man or the strife that they are experiencing makes him feel this way.
I have to say that I did wonder about this when I voted but like the rules state, vote as if it is valid.
As far as Bear's thorn shot, maybe he felt he was a prickly personality LOL. You will always get someone using a different interpretation of every challenge. Most of them pay the price and get voted down.
Granted a portrait of ones self is far harder to achieve than taking a portrait of some one else, and most of the entrants tried to achieve that and kudos to them, I didnt have the guts to try. If we want DNMC's then the rules on each challenge must be absolutely specific.
JMHO
Edit to add, maybe this is his father?
Message edited by author 2007-12-12 20:03:28. |
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12/12/2007 08:26:46 PM · #139 |
From the voting rules: "You should: consider the challenge topic when voting, and adjust your score accordingly."
Vote with your vote. If you truly believe a shot DNMC then vote it down. That is what the rules say. That is what happened to Bear (although he made the tie in his title IMO).
I think that what has changed here is the amount of voters who have been convinced by threads like this (we have had many and it is always talked about in the Current Challenge threads) to always assume that the shot meets the challenge so if it is a good shot vote it high. It would not be fair to vote it down not knowing and penalize a good shot.
We have always seen shoehorned in shots but in the past I think they were voted down more so it was always a risk. Seems to be no risk anymore.
So vote with you vote and don't ask the SC to get into that mess of DQ'ing. Make up your own mind. You will be fooled at times but oh well .....
Message edited by author 2007-12-12 20:27:35.
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12/12/2007 09:23:24 PM · #140 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
That's 'cuz you don't have a creative bone in your body, doc. If you did, you'd applaud my effort. You're a ribbon hog, a prostitute at the altar of art. And I'm sticking by my story!
[/tongue in cheek]
R. |
If this doesn't poke huge holes in your theory, I don't know what will... ;)
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I dunno, Doc! I think you might have been pokin' more wholes with this one! LOL!
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12/12/2007 10:11:32 PM · #141 |
I seriously debated subbing a model in my SP. I think I could have increased my score significantly.
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12/12/2007 10:31:41 PM · #142 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I seriously debated subbing a model in my SP. I think I could have increased my score significantly. |
I think people were worried about what might be in the box...
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12/12/2007 10:41:42 PM · #143 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I seriously debated subbing a model in my SP. I think I could have increased my score significantly. |
I think people were worried about what might be in the box...
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Junk :-D
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12/12/2007 10:42:02 PM · #144 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I seriously debated subbing a model in my SP. I think I could have increased my score significantly. |
I think people were worried about what might be in the box...
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Probably cheese |
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12/12/2007 10:43:36 PM · #145 |
Originally posted by manish:
Originally posted by love:
The answer to all this mish mosh is:
All the challenges should be titled "take a picture" .. that's the only thing we can be sure of. |
Very true. why so much fuss??? |
Because there are countless internet sites where you can submit any photo you like.
DPC is special - it challenges us to work within the restrictions of a topic (except for the free studies).
If we all ignore the challenge topics, DPC becomes exactly the same as all the other places. |
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12/12/2007 11:15:49 PM · #146 |
Originally posted by Beetle:
Originally posted by manish:
Originally posted by love:
The answer to all this mish mosh is:
All the challenges should be titled "take a picture" .. that's the only thing we can be sure of. |
Very true. why so much fuss??? |
Because there are countless internet sites where you can submit any photo you like.
DPC is special - it challenges us to work within the restrictions of a topic (except for the free studies).
If we all ignore the challenge topics, DPC becomes exactly the same as all the other places. |
Well he hasn't posted the reasons why he entered what he entered. If what Bear stated earlier was what he was trying to achieve I'd say he met the challenge far better than most who totally ignored the creative part, let alone express something real in their portrait. Personally, I'd rather see someone break the rules while trying to create something worthwhile than someone who follows them yet produces crap. But then again I'm more into art than stock although I'll be the first to admit I've produce plenty of stock crap.
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12/12/2007 11:26:53 PM · #147 |
I am not taking sides here but:
Challenge description:
"Take your best self portrait and be creative."
He could probably make the argument that he was being creative, and therefore it fits the challenge.
Even if you feel its DNMC, you have to admit this is a nice shot.
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12/13/2007 12:01:47 AM · #148 |
Originally posted by MAK:
Self portrait should be of yourself taken by yourself no exceptions.. how easy is it to shoot someone else?
the only squeeze the bloke gets is if he did not understand the language but even then, this is an english language based site so he had to read the rules and understand them to join.. Im not saying drag the guy out into the streets and execute him but, I do think in THIS CASE entering a photo of someone else is not really fair and in good spirits BUT, we still do not know 100% that the man in the photo is not the member himself sooo....
I think the self portrait should be of one's self .. simple. |
Well that exactly was my idea of starting the thread, its not about DNMC or DQ's. As i interpret it the spirit and the fun of SP challenge was to capture oneself in a creative way. Its is special on two accounts
1. Many of us don't consider ourself as model material and may have some inhibitions to participate in such a challenge. So whoever participated needed an attitude to overcome that
2. Shooting yourself is technically more complicated than shooting someone else
I think the solution to could have been to make it clear in the descriptions that its not a SP and then let the voters interpret and decide.
Message edited by author 2007-12-13 00:02:47. |
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12/13/2007 03:24:22 AM · #149 |
Originally posted by frisca:
there were a few others that were also not self portraits. For example:
a great photo. One I scored high. One I was amazed to think was an SP, but there you have it. Am I miffed? Yeah. Do I think hanae took an amazing photo? of course! Do I think she should be DQ'd? Nope. But I do feel misled, and that's all I feel, and I don't harbour ill will toward hanae for taking the photo at all, or not taking an SP. Its a question of interpretation, or ethics, not a matter for DQ.
ETA: MEA CULPA! I didn't recognize her at all!!! |
That is most certainly My Wife ... again we tried to be CREATIVE with our SP ...
I do not have a major issue with the PHOTO in question but I do think it is not fair to post a photo of someone ELSE in a SP challenge .. that is all.
And, just for the record, I think it's a brilliant shot, it is just NOT a SP
Message edited by author 2007-12-13 03:26:25. |
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12/13/2007 04:45:34 AM · #150 |
So, here is a challenge; If you submitted a pic of someone else, ie not a SELFPORTRAIT as per the challenge description, stand up and be counted. Say these words "Hi, my name is ___________ and I am a non-DPC spiriter. I cheated so I need group counselling to tell me how I should terminate my life with or without much pain". Then the clan will say "Who said you are a non-spiriter if you are only a bad spirit, and who said you cheated if you only abused the rules" and then the storm in a teacup will be gone until you do it again. ;-))))
Maybe "Not meeting a challenge" should become a DQ rule? |
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