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11/28/2007 08:03:57 PM · #1

Jim Braserd(sp) for president

Sorry got the name wrong.

I am an idiot, don't vote for me. Vote for the bearded guy with the knife...lol

Message edited by author 2007-11-28 20:06:50.

fotomann_forever

11/28/2007 08:08:03 PM · #2

I was about to say, what the hell does the video have to do with Ron Paul? :-D

Message edited by author 2007-11-28 20:08:37.

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11/28/2007 08:08:48 PM · #3

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

I was about to say, what the hell does the video have to do with Ron Paul?

I was looking at another site at the same time and got them confused and jacked it all up...lol That is what I get for multi-tasking!

Konador

Canon EOS-500D Rebel T1i

11/28/2007 08:11:06 PM · #4

Fixed the title for you ;)

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11/28/2007 08:31:17 PM · #5

Thanks, I am a complete dorkuss. Oh well.

Man_Called_Horse

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

11/28/2007 11:01:39 PM · #6

Sorry, I am holding out for Jean Luc Picard to finally run for the job.

Jib

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

11/28/2007 11:38:33 PM · #7

not that i dont have respect for my country or anything... but uh its just a flag all this patritosim since 9/11 has made me sick... and fyi i had family in 9/11 yes it was scary... but seriously commemorative coins for 9/11 GET OUT OF HERE! makeing it illegal to have one flag over another is bogus...its all those right winged conservative nuts who would worry about such a stupid thing as that than to get our troops ou of iraq, re enstate gay marrige rights, and clean up the streets...i can understand the vertean though he has his views... as most older veterans do.... both my sister and brother in law were in the army... my sister served 2 terms in uzbeckistan (wrong spelling) and my brother in law is now in iraq...

well ill stop there...damn i hate my emotions

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Nikon

11/29/2007 01:04:58 AM · #8

I think that people were patriotic before 9/11. In the 1800's they would have shot that bar owner and sent him back to his country in a pine box. I think we handle things better now, but that doesn't mean that people have the right to disrespect America by putting another country that they do not even live in above the one that they should be pledging allegiance to. My question for the bar owner would be "If you love Mexico that much why are you here?". It doesn't make sense to me. If America turns a blind eye to this sort of thing, then it will only be a short time before there is no America at all.

I would never move to another country and disrespect that country by hoisting different colors above their own. That is just nonsense. I wonder why the bar owner was not brought up on charges however. That is a federal offense. He should get a month in the clink.

Message edited by author 2007-11-29 01:06:56.

levyj413

Apple iPhone 15 Pro Max

11/29/2007 01:10:05 AM · #9

Originally posted by Jason_Cross:

I wonder why the bar owner was not brought up on charges however. That is a federal offense. He should get a month in the clink.

And how do you feel about vigilante justice? I think the veteran with the knife is much more of a threat. What will he decide next is inappropriate? Wearing the flag on a jacket?

Protecting the flag while throwing out what the flag stands for isn't right.

fotomann_forever

11/29/2007 01:12:44 AM · #10

Originally posted by Jason_Cross:

"If you love Mexico that much why are you here?". It doesn't make sense to me.

I've often wondered that myself. Why not stay in Mexico and fight to make it better?

Message edited by author 2007-11-29 01:13:08.

11/29/2007 01:20:12 AM · #11

Originally posted by levyj413:

Originally posted by Jason_Cross:
I wonder why the bar owner was not brought up on charges however. That is a federal offense. He should get a month in the clink.

And how do you feel about vigilante justice? I think the veteran with the knife is much more of a threat. What will he decide next is inappropriate? Wearing the flag on a jacket?

Protecting the flag while throwing out what the flag stands for isn't right.

I think that the government is forcing us into vigilante justice. If things keep up this way, and freedoms are taken away and people are allowed to trample on the sacred symbol of our freedom then I think you will see a revolution. We are letting other countries dictate our laws, and letting people live here without being legal citizens of this country. If we don't take a stand on something, then we stand for nothing. At least this guy has the balls to defend the law of this land. As of right now, no charges have been brought against the owner of the bar that broke the law in the first place. If that guy would not have done that chances are that flag would still be proclaiming that area to be the property of Mexico.

figaro

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11/29/2007 04:21:02 AM · #12

So maybe the hanging of the Mexican flag above the US one was somewhat provocative - but the bearded bloke who cut it down is clearly several IQ points short of a moron.

"I took this flag down in honour of my country with a flag... er, knife"

Art Roflmao

Canon EOS-6D Mark II

11/29/2007 04:43:12 AM · #13

Originally posted by figaro:

So the guy misspoke and then corrected himself and that makes him "less than a moron" by your standards? It must be very hard for you to live by those standards yourself.

figaro

Canon EOS-7D

11/29/2007 08:20:43 AM · #14

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

So the guy misspoke and then corrected himself and that makes him "less than a moron" by your standards? It must be very hard for you to live by those standards yourself.

If you think the guy spoke intelligently and acted reasonably then I respect that. Personally I find the wildly patriotic army veteran rhetoric slightly nauseating.

Message edited by author 2007-11-29 08:26:19.

rex

Canon PowerShot SD780

11/29/2007 08:34:36 AM · #15

Originally posted by figaro:

Personally I find the wildly patriotic army veteran rhetoric slightly nauseating.

So you don't like it when someone shows pride for their country.

figaro

Canon EOS-7D

11/29/2007 08:45:37 AM · #16

Originally posted by rex:

Originally posted by figaro:
Personally I find the wildly patriotic army veteran rhetoric slightly nauseating.

So you don't like it when someone shows pride for their country.

Well, I have pride for my country. But if somebody hung a different flag above the English one, I would consider that bounding up to it with a bloody great knife (the possession of which is an arrestable offence, incidentally) would be something of an overreaction.

I have a lot of respect for the American culture, and I know that you guys display your pride for your country in different ways. In many respects, I think that is something that is slightly lacking in the UK. But in my own judgemental opinion, Mr Brasserd comes across as a bit of a prat, and if he were English and had done the same thing, I'd be a bit embarrassed.

rex

Canon PowerShot SD780

11/29/2007 08:50:27 AM · #17

Originally posted by figaro:

I have a lot of respect for the American culture, and I know that you guys display your pride for your country in different ways. In many respects, I think that is something that is slightly lacking in the UK. But in my own judgemental opinion, Mr Brasserd comes across as a bit of a prat, and if he were English and had done the same thing, I'd be a bit embarrassed.

Thank you for the polite and detailed response. I am firmly against vigilante justice and believe anyone should let the laws do what they are there to do. People also need to understand that something can not be taken care of now. Stuff like this takes days. My main problem is I also think the system of "An Eye for an Eye" is the best system and would cut a lot of the bullshit people do out.

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Nikon

11/29/2007 09:03:24 AM · #18

Originally posted by figaro:

Originally posted by rex:

Originally posted by figaro:
Personally I find the wildly patriotic army veteran rhetoric slightly nauseating.

So you don't like it when someone shows pride for their country.

Well, I have pride for my country. But if somebody hung a different flag above the English one, I would consider that bounding up to it with a bloody great knife (the possession of which is an arrestable offence, incidentally) would be something of an overreaction.

I have a lot of respect for the American culture, and I know that you guys display your pride for your country in different ways. In many respects, I think that is something that is slightly lacking in the UK. But in my own judgemental opinion, Mr Brasserd comes across as a bit of a prat, and if he were English and had done the same thing, I'd be a bit embarrassed.

I agree that maybe he could have asked him to fix it first, but the flag flyer was in violation of a larger crime. In fact it is a Federal crime to hang another flag above the American flag. Doesn't look like the any justice will come to either person. That is why people are resorting to vigilante justice.

levyj413

Apple iPhone 15 Pro Max

11/29/2007 02:46:45 PM · #19

Originally posted by Jason_Cross:

I agree that maybe he could have asked him to fix it first, but the flag flyer was in violation of a larger crime.

I'm sorry, but I still think that attacking someone else's property is a bigger crime than displaying a flag. And I'd feel a lot safer with the flag flyer as my neighbor than the vet.

And yes, I have a lot of pride in my country. Enough to work at it as a career, in fact.

aliqui

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11/29/2007 03:18:01 PM · #20

Originally posted by levyj413:

Originally posted by Jason_Cross:
I agree that maybe he could have asked him to fix it first, but the flag flyer was in violation of a larger crime.

I'm sorry, but I still think that attacking someone else's property is a bigger crime than displaying a flag. And I'd feel a lot safer with the flag flyer as my neighbor than the vet.

And yes, I have a lot of pride in my country. Enough to work at it as a career, in fact.

I didn't know it was illegal to fly another flag above the US flag, and I was born here. I do however know it's illegal to destroy another person's property. Had it been a Canadian flag above the US flag, I don't think that guy would have reacted the same way.

That video made me sick...

mobster

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11/29/2007 03:34:35 PM · #21

Actually the Mexican flag should have been on its on pole.

Section 7g of the Flag Rules and Regulations:

Originally posted by :

"When flags of two or more nations are displayed, they are to be flown from separate staffs of the same height. The flags should be of approximately equal size. International usage forbids the display of the flag of one nation above that of another nation in time of peace."

Granted, for someone who was so concerned with how that flag was displayed he didn't show it much respect when he ripped it down and wadded it up in a ball. And it didn't help matters when He threw the Mexican flag on the ground and left with the US flag.

That said, I personally don't think what he did was a greater offense than that of flying the Mexican flag over the US flag.

BTW, around here carrying a knife like that isn't against the law. heck, if ya wanted to you could walk around with a machete, as long as it isn't concealed.

11/29/2007 06:33:47 PM · #22

Originally posted by aliqui:

Originally posted by levyj413:

Originally posted by Jason_Cross:
I agree that maybe he could have asked him to fix it first, but the flag flyer was in violation of a larger crime.

I'm sorry, but I still think that attacking someone else's property is a bigger crime than displaying a flag. And I'd feel a lot safer with the flag flyer as my neighbor than the vet.

And yes, I have a lot of pride in my country. Enough to work at it as a career, in fact.

I didn't know it was illegal to fly another flag above the US flag, and I was born here. I do however know it's illegal to destroy another person's property. Had it been a Canadian flag above the US flag, I don't think that guy would have reacted the same way.

That video made me sick...

Nope, I think he would have reacted the same. Flying another flag above your own is treason in many peoples eyes. You could put any flag above the American flag and it would be just as much of a Federal offense that 100 years ago might have got you shot dead on the spot with no repercussion. I am very discouraged that so many people think this is no big deal. I don't think Americans stand for anything anymore. We are loosing our freedoms everyday, because so many people live here yet they don't pledge their allegiance to the flag. They all pledge their allegiance to some other flag and enjoy the best that America has to offer. Shame on them.

Gordon

RIM BlackBerry Curve

11/29/2007 06:36:41 PM · #23

Originally posted by Jason_Cross:

yeah. Damn immigrants. Should all be round up and shot. That'd sort it out.